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Prince Charles: Follow the Islamic Way, Save World
Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:57am
 
'Follow the Islamic way to save the world,' Prince Charles urges environmentalists



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Prince Charles yesterday urged the world to follow Islamic 'spiritual principles' in order to protect the environment.

In an hour-long speech, the heir to the throne argued that man's destruction of the world was contrary to the scriptures of all religions - but particularly those of Islam.

He said the current 'division' between man and nature had been caused not just by industrialisation, but also by our attitude to the environment - which goes against the grain of 'sacred traditions'.

Charles, who is a practising Christian and will become the head of the Church of England when he succeeds to the throne, spoke in depth about his own study of the Koran which, he said, tells its followers that there is 'no separation between man and nature' and says we must always live within our environment's limits.

The prince was speaking to an audience of scholars at the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies - which attempts to encourage a better understanding of the culture and civilisation of the religion.

His speech, merging religion with his other favourite subject, the environment, marked the 25th anniversary of the organisation, of which he is patron.

He added: 'The inconvenient truth is that we share this planet with the rest of creation for a very good reason - and that is, we cannot exist on our own without the intricately balanced web of life around us.

'Islam has always taught this and to ignore that lesson is to default on our contract with creation.'


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Reply #1 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:33pm
 
TC, would you mind highlighting the relevant scriptures for us?
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True Colours wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:57am:
'Follow the Islamic way to save the world,' Prince Charles urges environmentalists



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/09/article-1285332-09F73EB2000005DC-940_4...

Prince Charles yesterday urged the world to follow Islamic 'spiritual principles' in order to protect the environment.

In an hour-long speech, the heir to the throne argued that man's destruction of the world was contrary to the scriptures of all religions - but particularly those of Islam.

He said the current 'division' between man and nature had been caused not just by industrialisation, but also by our attitude to the environment - which goes against the grain of 'sacred traditions'.

Charles, who is a practising Christian and will become the head of the Church of England when he succeeds to the throne, spoke in depth about his own study of the Koran which, he said, tells its followers that there is 'no separation between man and nature' and says we must always live within our environment's limits.

The prince was speaking to an audience of scholars at the Oxford Centre for Islamic Studies - which attempts to encourage a better understanding of the culture and civilisation of the religion.

His speech, merging religion with his other favourite subject, the environment, marked the 25th anniversary of the organisation, of which he is patron.

He added: 'The inconvenient truth is that we share this planet with the rest of creation for a very good reason - and that is, we cannot exist on our own without the intricately balanced web of life around us.

'Islam has always taught this and to ignore that lesson is to default on our contract with creation.'


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1285332/Follow-Islamic-way-save-world-Charles-urges-environmentalists.html





Prince Charles is prolly confused.

???

I cannot think why ?           Tongue

Maybe Prince Charles was 'thinking of ISLAM' [and ISLAM's respect for the environment], on an occasion when he had his head between Camilla's thighs ???

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #3 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 8:25pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:33pm:
TC, would you mind highlighting the relevant scriptures for us?


Here are some examples of the importance of caring for the environment and nature in Islam:


The Prophet often emphasised the importance of cleanliness, with sayings such:

“...Cleanliness is half of belief...”
- Saheeh Muslim


The Prophet was reported to have forbade polluting water supplies.

The Prophet also put many restriction on cutting trees - in particular fruiting and flowering trees and established reserves   wherein no trees could be cut at all.

On migrating to Medina, the Messenger of God organized the planting of trees and of date groves. He made the forests and green spaces conservation areas, where every sort of living creature lived. These were called sanctuaries (hima). For example, a strip of land approximately twelve miles wide around Medina was proclaimed a sanctuary and made a conservation area. We know that he proclaimed other areas, similar to this, sanctuaries. All these show the paramount importance —as a religion— Islam gives to nature conservancy and protection of all nature’s living creatures.



Improving land and planting trees

Anas reported that the Messenger of God said: "Never does a Muslim plant trees or cultivate land and birds or a man or a beast eat out of them but that is a charity on his behalf.
- Saheeh Muslim


“Whoever plants trees, God will give him reward...”
- al-Musnad

“Whoever reclaims and cultivates dry, barren land will be rewarded by God for the act. So long as men and animals benefit from it He will record it for him as a charity.”
- Haythami, Majmau al-Zawaaid


“Whoever plants a tree, reward will be recorded for him so long as it produces fruit.”
- Haythami, Majmau al-Zawaaid


The Prophet said: "A Muslim who plants (trees) and from their fruits the human beings or the beasts or birds eat, that will be counted as an act of charity on the Day of Judgement."
- Saheeh Muslim



Preservation of animals and their species


Even pest animals are not allowed to be exterminated or completely wiped out, but species must be preserved. When the culling of pest dogs became necessary in Madina, the prophet forbade the complete extermination of dogs describing them as a nation (species).


"There is not an animal [that lives] on the earth, nor a being that flies on its wings, but [forms part of] communities like you..."
- the Quran, al-Anam, v.38


If without good reason anyone kills a sparrow, or a creature lesser than that even, the living creature will put his grievance to God on the Day of Judgement, saying: ‘So-and-so killed me for no purpose.
- an-Nasaa'i


“We were on a journey with God’s Messenger when we came across a bird the size of a sparrow with two chicks. We seized the chicks, whereupon the hen started beating its wings and screeching. God’s Messenger turned and when he saw what we had done, asked: ‘Who separated those chicks from their mother? Return them at once!’ So we left them free.”
- Abu Dawood




Conserving and not wasting the Earth’s resources:


O children of Adam!...waste not by excess, for God loves not the wasters.
- the Quran, al-Araf, v.31


“The Messenger of God appeared while Sa‘d was taking the ablutions. When he saw that Sa‘d was using a lot of water, he intervened saying: "What is this? You are wasting water.” Sa‘d replied asking: “Can there be wastefulness while taking the ablutions?” To which God’s Messenger replied:  “Yes, even if you take them on the bank of a rushing river.”
- Musnad & Ibn Majah



Altering nature is evil

...And he [Satan] said: "I will take an appointed portion of your servants; Verily, I will mislead them, and surely, I will arouse in them false desires; and certainly, I will order them to slit the ears of cattle, and indeed I will order them to change the nature created by God."...
- the Quran, an-Nisaa, v.118-9


So direct your face toward the religion in orthodoxy; the pure natural disposition of God which He created mankind upon. Do not change God's Creation. That is the correct religion, but most of the people do not know.
the Quran, ar-Rum, v.30
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Reply #4 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 9:24pm
 
How about Colonel GhadafI TC? He created Green Square in Tripoli.
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Reply #5 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 9:38pm
 
Some of them are actually pretty good. Not sure about the merits of attempting to cultivate dry, barren land though. Many scientists attribute rising desertification in the middle east and Africa at least partly to this.

How are you supposed to interpret "don't change God's creation"?
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Reply #6 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 10:58pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Not sure about the merits of attempting to cultivate dry, barren land though. Many scientists attribute rising desertification in the middle east and Africa at least partly to this.


Cultivating, or at least attempting to cultivate barren land doesn't affect anything in the desertification process. Its the over-cultivation of arable, or semi-arable land that causes desertification.
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Reply #7 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 12:00am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 8:25pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:33pm:
TC, would you mind highlighting the relevant scriptures for us?


Here are some examples of the importance of caring for the environment and nature in Islam:


The Prophet often emphasised the importance of cleanliness, with sayings such:

“...Cleanliness is half of belief...”
- Saheeh Muslim


Then why exactly are Muslim countries the dirtiest places on earth? Instanbul is the only clean Muslim city I have seen, and even then the locals go to great lengths each day to mess the place up. If it wasn't the army of street cleaners it would be as disgusting as Cairo.

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The Prophet was reported to have forbade polluting water supplies.


Which is an easy law to live by in the Islamic world. How exactly do you go about polluting rivers of shlt anyway? They should collect the radioactive water in Japan and dump it in the Nile. It would be a win win as far as cleaning the earth up.
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Reply #8 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 8:17am
 
Mohammed was a conservationist, and would never destroy nature/natural things.

Mohammed especially prohibited cutting down trees.

Don'tchyaknow.







True Colours wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 8:25pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:33pm:
TC, would you mind highlighting the relevant scriptures for us?


Here are some examples of the importance of caring for the environment and nature in Islam:


The Prophet often emphasised the importance of cleanliness, with sayings such:

“...Cleanliness is half of belief...”
- Saheeh Muslim


The Prophet was reported to have forbade polluting water supplies.

The Prophet also put many restriction on cutting trees - in particular fruiting and flowering trees and established reserves   wherein no trees could be cut at all.

i Quote:

Sahih Muslim, Book 19:
Chapter 10: JUSTIFICATION FOR CUTTING DOWN THE TREES AND BURNING THEM
Book 019, Number 4324:

    It is narrated on the authority of 'Abdullah that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ordered the date-palms of Banu Nadir to be burnt and cut. These palms were at Buwaira. Qutaibah and Ibn Rumh in their versions of the tradition have added: So Allah, the Glorious and Exalted, revealed the verse:" Whatever trees you have cut down or left standing on their trunks, it was with the permission of Allah so that He may disgrace the evil-doers" (lix. 5).

Book 019, Number 4325:

    It is narrated on the authority of Ibn Umar that the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) caused the date-palms of Banu Nadir to be cut down and burnt. It is in this connection that Hassan (the poet) said:

    It was easy for the nobles of Quraish to barn Buwaira whose sparks were flying in all directions.

    in the same connection was revealed the Qur'anic verse:" Whatever trees you have cut down or left standing on their trunks."

Book 019, Number 4326:

    'Abdullah b. Umar reported that Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him) burnt the date-palms of Banu Nadir.









Don'tchyaknow.

It was not permitted to cut down trees - until Mohammed cut down trees.

Then Mohammed received a new surah - in which Allah justified Mohammed's actions.


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".....the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) ordered the date-palms of Banu Nadir to be burnt and cut.....So Allah, the Glorious and Exalted, revealed the verse:" Whatever trees you have cut down or left standing on their trunks, it was with the permission of Allah so that He may disgrace the evil-doers"



What a guy that Allah was !!         Wink

As soon as Mohammed made some infringement, OR, as soon as Mohammed had some new little LUST for something,
....and straight away Mohammed would receive a message/vision from Allah, justifying and allowing his action/lust.

Wow!

Allah musta really, really, thought highly of his apostle, Mohammed.         Tongue





033.050
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee; and daughters of thy paternal uncles and aunts, and daughters of thy maternal uncles and aunts, who migrated (from Makka) with thee; and any believing woman who dedicates her soul to the Prophet if the Prophet wishes to wed her;- this only for thee, and not for the Believers (at large); We know what We have appointed for them as to their wives and the captives whom their right hands possess;- in order that there should be no difficulty for thee. And Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

033.051
YUSUFALI: Thou mayest defer (the turn of) any of them that thou pleasest, and thou mayest receive any thou pleasest: and there is no blame on thee if thou invite one whose (turn) thou hadst set aside. This were nigher to the cooling of their eyes, the prevention of their grief, and their satisfaction - that of all of them - with that which thou hast to give them: and Allah knows (all) that is in your hearts: and Allah is All-Knowing, Most Forbearing.





Break a promise/oath, so we can gain some pleasure ?

NOT A PROBLEM!

066.001
YUSUFALI: O Prophet! Why holdest thou to be forbidden that which Allah has made lawful to thee? Thou seekest to please thy consorts. But Allah is Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.

066.002
YUSUFALI: Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths (in some cases): and Allah is your Protector, and He is Full of Knowledge and Wisdom.





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Compare how
the God of Israel
regards us keeping our 'oaths' [keeping our word]...

With a comparison of how important,
Allah the God of ISLAM
regards us keeping our 'oaths' [keeping our word]...

Look here...
"Love is not love Which alters when it alteration"
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1295407319/0#0

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Re: Prince Charles: Follow the Islamic Way, Save World
Reply #9 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 8:43am
 
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True Colours wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 11:57am:
'Follow the Islamic way to save the world,' Prince Charles urges environmentalists



http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/06/09/article-1285332-09F73EB2000005DC-940_4...

Prince Charles yesterday urged the world to follow Islamic 'spiritual principles'.....







Interesting.


........that True_Colours should be touting what a person like Prince Charles promotes.

And that a person like Prince Charles, should be promoting - ISLAMIC 'spiritual principles'.







Q.
Remind me....
How do moslems refer to unbelievers again ?

Don't moslems call us infidels ?



Q.
What is the root of the word 'infidel' ???

Dictionary;
infidelity = = the action or state of being sexually unfaithful.




Prince Charles.

An advocate for - ISLAMIC 'spiritual principles'.


Yup.








Are the high echelons of Christendom [today] our moral examples ?

Do you think so ?

Or should our society respect Prince Charles, because his is a 'prince' among men ?




Isaiah 1:21
How is the faithful city become an harlot! it was full of judgment; righteousness lodged in it; but now murderers.
22  Thy silver is become dross, thy wine mixed with water:
23  Thy princes are rebellious, and companions of thieves: every one loveth gifts, and followeth after rewards: they judge not the fatherless, neither doth the cause of the widow come unto them.



Jeremiah 9:24
......let him that glorieth glory in this, that he understandeth and knoweth me, that I am the LORD which exercise lovingkindness, judgment, and righteousness, in the earth: for in these things I delight, saith the LORD.
25  Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will punish all them which are circumcised with the uncircumcised;
26  Egypt, and Judah, and Edom, and the children of Ammon, and Moab, and all that are in the utmost corners, that dwell in the wilderness: for all these nations are uncircumcised, and all the house of Israel are uncircumcised in the heart.








1 Samuel 16:7
But the LORD said unto Samuel, Look not on his countenance, or on the height of his stature; because I have refused him: for the LORD seeth not as man seeth; for man looketh on the outward appearance, but the LORD looketh on the heart.


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Reply #10 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 9:59am
 
Quantum wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 12:00am:
True Colours wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 8:25pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 12:33pm:
TC, would you mind highlighting the relevant scriptures for us?


Here are some examples of the importance of caring for the environment and nature in Islam:


The Prophet often emphasised the importance of cleanliness, with sayings such:

“...Cleanliness is half of belief...”
- Saheeh Muslim


Then why exactly are Muslim countries the dirtiest places on earth? Instanbul is the only clean Muslim city I have seen, and even then the locals go to great lengths each day to mess the place up. If it wasn't the army of street cleaners it would be as disgusting as Cairo.

Quote:
The Prophet was reported to have forbade polluting water supplies.


Which is an easy law to live by in the Islamic world. How exactly do you go about polluting rivers of shlt anyway? They should collect the radioactive water in Japan and dump it in the Nile. It would be a win win as far as cleaning the earth up.


I think the original rule was not to poison wells, in the context of warfare. The same with not chopping down trees - in the context of "scorched earth" style warfare. Not that Muhammed's army didn't chop down trees as a military strategy. It depends on whether it is "wanton" apparently. I think it was a bit of a stretch to put these ones on the list.
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Reply #11 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 10:39am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 8:25pm:
The Prophet was reported to have forbade polluting water supplies.


Islam gives to nature conservancy and protection of all nature’s living creatures
[b]Preservation of animals and their species[/b


Can you cite the verse where the profit supposedly forbade polluting water supplies or did you pluck that from your ass?

The dopey profit did say polluted water was not polluted-
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The people asked the messenger of allah: Can we perform ablution out of the well of Budaah, which is a well into which menstrual clothes, dead dogs and stinking things were thrown? He replied: Water is pure and not defiled by anything.
www.sunnah.com/abudawud/1/66

The false prophet said water is not defiled by dead dogs, menstrual blood or stinking things!

There is no verse in the Quran where Allah tells you to boil drinking water to make it safe to drink yet there are many verses where boiling water is used for the purpose of torture.

Why did allah the most merciful of those who show mercy neglect to tell muslims to boil their drinking water yet include many verses about torture using boiling water, was Mohammad a fraud?
Quote:
Those who abide eternally in the fire are given to drink scalding water that will sever their intestines.
www.quran.com/47/15


What did the poor little Geckos  do to piss Mohammad off, did they break a treaty?
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Allah's apostle commanded the killing of Geckos, and he called them noxious little creatures.
www.sunnah.com/urn/255620



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Reply #12 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 10:43am
 
Perhaps Muhammed was fond of ants and their utopian society.
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Reply #13 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 11:52am
 
freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
Some of them are actually pretty good. Not sure about the merits of attempting to cultivate dry, barren land though. Many scientists attribute rising desertification in the middle east and Africa at least partly to this. [quote]


No. The improvement of desert land does not create desert - if that improvement means planting trees and improving the quality of the soil.

I have seen properties in Australia where semi-Arid land has been turned into lovely gardens simply by improving the soil quality and planting shrubs and trees.


What mainly causes desertification is the removal of existing trees and shrubs in semi-arid land.

Islam promotes the planting of trees, not their removal.

Using copious amounts of water in irrigation, can cause salinity. This can be exacerbated by the removal of existing trees that would normally prevent rising water tables. Islam discourages the wasting of water, the removal of trees, and encourages the planting of new trees.

I have witnessed myself the greening of the desert in Saudi Arabia - especially around the region of Jeddah and Mecca.

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The Saudis have planted drought resistant trees many areas such as in the outskirts of Mecca:

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You find these greening of the desert projects going on all over Saudi Arabia.

In Jubail:

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In Tabuk:

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In Madina:
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In Jeddah:

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In Riyadh:

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http://arabianmusings.files.wordpress.com/2012/07/me-pups-in-diplomatic-quarter_-riyadh-saudi-arabia.jpgw=593


freediver wrote on Aug 12th, 2013 at 9:38pm:
How are you supposed to interpret "don't change God's creation"?


When interpreting the Quran, scholars do not look at a vrse in isolation but rather try to look at supporting texts to understand them.

One of the verses regarding changing God's creation mentions the pagan practice of slitting the ears of cattle - and the mutilation of ears is still practiced in Western cultures today:

...

One could extend this to other practices such as cutting off sheep tails, and other forms of mutilation practiced in Western farming.

I also interpret it as a warning that man should not unnecessarily alter God's creation. For example, I try to avoid eating foods that are contaminated with pesticides. I also avoid GMO foods when possible.


There are hadeeth where prophet Muhammed explained the benefits of eating wholemeal/grain bread over highly processed wheat breads. in light of these evidences, I try to avoid processed foods as well.
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Reply #14 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 12:13pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 9:59am:
I think the original rule was not to poison wells, in the context of warfare.


Actually there also many hadeeth in regards to protecting water sources from pollution and contamination which have absolutely nothing to do with warfare.

For example, there are hadeeth regarding the washing of hands before touching water vessels, and prohibitions on relieving oneself near water supplies.

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