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Could GST Be Changed Without The States.
Aug 13th, 2013 at 3:21pm
 
Is Kevin Rudd right that GST could be changed without the states?

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    August 13, 2013


GST - fact or fiction?

Tony Abbott says he won't increase the Goods and Services Tax - but how easy would it be to hike the GST if he changed his mind?.      Huh


The claim

Tony Abbott says he won't change the GST in his first term. His frontbencher Christopher Pyne went further Monday night and said there would be no change to the GST in any Abbott government.


Kevin Rudd's claim that you can change the GST without the consent of states and territories is true.

Besides, Abbott told Sunday's leaders' debate: “The GST can't change without the agreement of the states and territories.”


But Rudd says the requirement for the approval of the states is set down in a piece of legislation Abbott can easily change.

“Let me remind him about the agreement of the Commonwealth and states,” he said in the debate Sunday night. “That exists as a product of legislation by the Australian Parliament which any future parliament can change.      Shocked

“Any future parliament” could adjust the adjust the GST as it liked.      Sad

Could Rudd be right and all those previous assurances be wrong?
Supporting evidence

The assurances go back to 1999. Introducing the GST, treasurer Peter Costello told Parliament: "No change to the rate will be implemented without the unanimous support of all the states and territories and both houses of the Commonwealth Parliament. The bill clearly provides this lock-in mechanism."

The law does indeed include such a lock-in mechanism.

But all of the constitutional experts PolitiFact has spoken to say it has force only until a new law is introduced removing it. An old parliament is unable to bind a new one. If it could, there would be not much point in elections.

Here's how the 19th century British constitutional lawyer AV Dicey put it: “Parliament has the right to make or unmake any law whatever”.

University of NSW constitutional expert George Williams says the only way a parliament could partially bind a future parliament would be to change the constitution. That's difficult, and it's only happened eight times.

Sydney University expert Anne Twomey points out the Commonwealth also has a signed agreement with the states not to change the GST without their consent, but says it's “a political agreement, not a legally binding contract".      Sad

Kate Carnell, who was a chief minister when the agreement was signed, has told PolitiFact she knew at the time “it wasn't legally enforceable".
How it stacks up

Kevin Rudd is right about the law. A new government could change the GST as it liked. It would probably want political cover and so the agreement of the states has some political force, but if just some of the states wanted it and some held out, a newly elected Commonwealth government could go ahead anyway.
Finding.

A PolitiFact rating of "true” applies where a statement is accurate and there is nothing significant missing.

PolitiFact rates Kevin Rudd's claim about the GST “true”.



Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/is-kevin-rudd-right-that-gst-could-be-changed-without-the-states-20130813-2rthd.html#ixzz2bp5RBKz0
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Re: Could GST Be Changed Without The States.
Reply #1 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 3:33pm
 
Of course what Rudd said is true.  Just by way of easy and topical example......there is a carbon tax now.  Abbott says there won't be if he's elected.  How.....He simply passes a Bill through Parliament abolishing it.

And it is exactly that same process by which any Government can get around the current GST provisions.....just change them.
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Reply #2 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 3:37pm
 
Tony Abbott says he won't change the GST in his first term.

His frontbencher Christopher Pyne went further Monday night and said there would be no change to the GST in any Abbott government.


These are the scarey bits....

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Reply #3 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 3:38pm
 
Pyne and Abbott never seem to agree ... I'd have to wonder if Pyne just makes it up as he goes?
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Reply #4 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 5:03pm
 
Only the Dudd government would raise the GST, its right up their lying ass alley.
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Reply #5 - Aug 13th, 2013 at 5:06pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 13th, 2013 at 3:38pm:
Pyne and Abbott never seem to agree ... I'd have to wonder if Pyne just makes it up as he goes?



Pyne was excellent on Q&A last night.

That show (whilst still not as good as Question Time on the BBC) is quite good actually.

I have enjoyed it during my stay here.
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