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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #30 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:40am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

and you want to give this vacuous hole your vote???

No I do not

I wanted to vote for Gillard

Someone who truly gave a sh!t about Australia, not just Corporate Australia.

Frankly if I'm honest my ballot will read bugger you, & I'll vote Pirate Party in the Senate just to niggle you Wink

On the assumption that you are male I question how you think Gillard cared about you? Towards the end she made it very clear that she hates men and will promote women above men at any opportunity. I think you are one of the very few with a penis that thinks Gillard was governing for them. Vote pirate party if you want. It will end up with Labor anyhow.

Possibly the weakest & most stupid argument I've seen you post.
But the party officials must think it gets traction.
May well do with idiots.

Does NDIS only apply to women?
Does "Better Schools" as Rudds renamed it to take credit only apply to daughters?

You will NEVER see policies like the above ever again from either side, social policies designed with making a better quality of life at the fore front instead of turning a profit.

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #31 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:51am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

and you want to give this vacuous hole your vote???

No I do not

I wanted to vote for Gillard

Someone who truly gave a sh!t about Australia, not just Corporate Australia.

Frankly if I'm honest my ballot will read bugger you, & I'll vote Pirate Party in the Senate just to niggle you Wink

On the assumption that you are male I question how you think Gillard cared about you? Towards the end she made it very clear that she hates men and will promote women above men at any opportunity. I think you are one of the very few with a penis that thinks Gillard was governing for them. Vote pirate party if you want. It will end up with Labor anyhow.

Possibly the weakest & most stupid argument I've seen you post.
But the party officials must think it gets traction.
May well do with idiots.

Does NDIS only apply to women?
Does "Better Schools" as Rudds renamed it to take credit only apply to daughters?

You will NEVER see policies like the above ever again from either side, social policies designed with making a better quality of life at the fore front instead of turning a profit.

if you want to believe Gillard wasn't a man-hater especially towards the end, then go for it. You will be in a very small minority. That last pitiful speech of hers which literally erased 25% of labors male vote was the final straw for caucus. It was exceedingly obvious what she thinks of men. Ironically the most sexist leader in the house was Gillard.

BTW Gillard openly opposed a move to assist BOYS in school with their educational difficulties.

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sir prince duke alevine

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #32 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 11:29am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

and you want to give this vacuous hole your vote???

No I do not

I wanted to vote for Gillard

Someone who truly gave a sh!t about Australia, not just Corporate Australia.

Frankly if I'm honest my ballot will read bugger you, & I'll vote Pirate Party in the Senate just to niggle you Wink

On the assumption that you are male I question how you think Gillard cared about you? Towards the end she made it very clear that she hates men and will promote women above men at any opportunity. I think you are one of the very few with a penis that thinks Gillard was governing for them. Vote pirate party if you want. It will end up with Labor anyhow.

Possibly the weakest & most stupid argument I've seen you post.
But the party officials must think it gets traction.
May well do with idiots.

Does NDIS only apply to women?
Does "Better Schools" as Rudds renamed it to take credit only apply to daughters?

You will NEVER see policies like the above ever again from either side, social policies designed with making a better quality of life at the fore front instead of turning a profit.

if you want to believe Gillard wasn't a man-hater especially towards the end, then go for it. You will be in a very small minority. That last pitiful speech of hers which literally erased 25% of labors male vote was the final straw for caucus. It was exceedingly obvious what she thinks of men. Ironically the most sexist leader in the house was Gillard.

BTW Gillard openly opposed a move to assist BOYS in school with their educational difficulties.

More delusion from the teaman. Gillards speech points to the fact that the major economic decisions in a tony government will all be made by men, who ironically seem to be wearing blue ties ALL THE TIME.

And she's not the one who thinks "sex appeal" is a virtue of a good woman politician. It's okay though... It was a daddy moment.

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perceptions_now

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #33 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 11:46am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

and you want to give this vacuous hole your vote???

No I do not

I wanted to vote for Gillard

Someone who truly gave a sh!t about Australia, not just Corporate Australia.

Frankly if I'm honest my ballot will read bugger you, & I'll vote Pirate Party in the Senate just to niggle you Wink

On the assumption that you are male I question how you think Gillard cared about you? Towards the end she made it very clear that she hates men and will promote women above men at any opportunity. I think you are one of the very few with a penis that thinks Gillard was governing for them. Vote pirate party if you want. It will end up with Labor anyhow.

Possibly the weakest & most stupid argument I've seen you post.
But the party officials must think it gets traction.
May well do with idiots.

Does NDIS only apply to women?
Does "Better Schools" as Rudds renamed it to take credit only apply to daughters?

You will NEVER see policies like the above ever again from either side, social policies designed with making a better quality of life at the fore front instead of turning a profit.

Oh, I wouldn't go that far, I've seen Longy say some VERY stupid things!

He even seems to "think" that governments must always be in Surplus, contrary to most Economists & the vast reality of history, which says that isn't so!

Then, he refuses to discuss this or any other issue, where someone makes sense AND disagrees with Longy, HEAVEN FORBID!

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75173 Gender:	Re: Why Labor is in deficit. Reply #34 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 12:02pm perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 11:46am: Oh, I wouldn't go that far, I've seen Longy say some VERY stupid things! I'll second that!!!!
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106914 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Why Labor is in deficit. Reply #35 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 12:21pm How long will the Libbos take to pay off Labor's debt? I estimate 15 years.
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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #36 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 12:45pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

and you want to give this vacuous hole your vote???

No I do not

I wanted to vote for Gillard

Someone who truly gave a sh!t about Australia, not just Corporate Australia.

Frankly if I'm honest my ballot will read bugger you, & I'll vote Pirate Party in the Senate just to niggle you Wink

On the assumption that you are male I question how you think Gillard cared about you? Towards the end she made it very clear that she hates men and will promote women above men at any opportunity. I think you are one of the very few with a penis that thinks Gillard was governing for them. Vote pirate party if you want. It will end up with Labor anyhow.

Possibly the weakest & most stupid argument I've seen you post.
But the party officials must think it gets traction.
May well do with idiots.

Does NDIS only apply to women?
Does "Better Schools" as Rudds renamed it to take credit only apply to daughters?

You will NEVER see policies like the above ever again from either side, social policies designed with making a better quality of life at the fore front instead of turning a profit.

if you want to believe Gillard wasn't a man-hater especially towards the end, then go for it. You will be in a very small minority. That last pitiful speech of hers which literally erased 25% of labors male vote was the final straw for caucus. It was exceedingly obvious what she thinks of men. Ironically the most sexist leader in the house was Gillard.

BTW Gillard openly opposed a move to assist BOYS in school with their educational difficulties.

More delusion from the teaman. Gillards speech points to the fact that the major economic decisions in a tony government will all be made by men, who ironically seem to be wearing blue ties ALL THE TIME.

And she's not the one who thinks "sex appeal" is a virtue of a good woman politician. It's okay though... It was a daddy moment.

you can think that all you like but very few others do. In fact, 25% of male labor voters abandoned her in the week following that speech and saw labor's support plunge to 29%. That obvious sexism and man-hating is what caused the party to dump her.

This is why the question of Tim is asked - because Gillard so obviously hates men.

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sir prince duke alevine

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #37 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 1:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

and you want to give this vacuous hole your vote???

No I do not

I wanted to vote for Gillard

Someone who truly gave a sh!t about Australia, not just Corporate Australia.

Frankly if I'm honest my ballot will read bugger you, & I'll vote Pirate Party in the Senate just to niggle you Wink

On the assumption that you are male I question how you think Gillard cared about you? Towards the end she made it very clear that she hates men and will promote women above men at any opportunity. I think you are one of the very few with a penis that thinks Gillard was governing for them. Vote pirate party if you want. It will end up with Labor anyhow.

Possibly the weakest & most stupid argument I've seen you post.
But the party officials must think it gets traction.
May well do with idiots.

Does NDIS only apply to women?
Does "Better Schools" as Rudds renamed it to take credit only apply to daughters?

You will NEVER see policies like the above ever again from either side, social policies designed with making a better quality of life at the fore front instead of turning a profit.

if you want to believe Gillard wasn't a man-hater especially towards the end, then go for it. You will be in a very small minority. That last pitiful speech of hers which literally erased 25% of labors male vote was the final straw for caucus. It was exceedingly obvious what she thinks of men. Ironically the most sexist leader in the house was Gillard.

BTW Gillard openly opposed a move to assist BOYS in school with their educational difficulties.

More delusion from the teaman. Gillards speech points to the fact that the major economic decisions in a tony government will all be made by men, who ironically seem to be wearing blue ties ALL THE TIME.

And she's not the one who thinks "sex appeal" is a virtue of a good woman politician. It's okay though... It was a daddy moment.

you can think that all you like but very few others do. In fact, 25% of male labor voters abandoned her in the week following that speech and saw labor's support plunge to 29%. That obvious sexism and man-hating is what caused the party to dump her.

This is why the question of Tim is asked - because Gillard so obviously hates men.

No. It was asked because the loonies have just become loonier. No other explanation for it.

And gillard made a very common sense statement. 3 men. All blue ties because PETA thinks it makes them look moderate. All relatively dumb, and not because they are men by because they are just dumb. Wail about debt and deficit and instead have no approach to cut spending. What would you call it?

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longweekend58

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #38 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:09pm

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 1:44pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 12:45pm:

sir prince duke alevine wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:51am:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 8:40am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 5:00pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:40pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

and you want to give this vacuous hole your vote???

No I do not

I wanted to vote for Gillard

Someone who truly gave a sh!t about Australia, not just Corporate Australia.

Frankly if I'm honest my ballot will read bugger you, & I'll vote Pirate Party in the Senate just to niggle you Wink

On the assumption that you are male I question how you think Gillard cared about you? Towards the end she made it very clear that she hates men and will promote women above men at any opportunity. I think you are one of the very few with a penis that thinks Gillard was governing for them. Vote pirate party if you want. It will end up with Labor anyhow.

Possibly the weakest & most stupid argument I've seen you post.
But the party officials must think it gets traction.
May well do with idiots.

Does NDIS only apply to women?
Does "Better Schools" as Rudds renamed it to take credit only apply to daughters?

You will NEVER see policies like the above ever again from either side, social policies designed with making a better quality of life at the fore front instead of turning a profit.

if you want to believe Gillard wasn't a man-hater especially towards the end, then go for it. You will be in a very small minority. That last pitiful speech of hers which literally erased 25% of labors male vote was the final straw for caucus. It was exceedingly obvious what she thinks of men. Ironically the most sexist leader in the house was Gillard.

BTW Gillard openly opposed a move to assist BOYS in school with their educational difficulties.

More delusion from the teaman. Gillards speech points to the fact that the major economic decisions in a tony government will all be made by men, who ironically seem to be wearing blue ties ALL THE TIME.

And she's not the one who thinks "sex appeal" is a virtue of a good woman politician. It's okay though... It was a daddy moment.

you can think that all you like but very few others do. In fact, 25% of male labor voters abandoned her in the week following that speech and saw labor's support plunge to 29%. That obvious sexism and man-hating is what caused the party to dump her.

This is why the question of Tim is asked - because Gillard so obviously hates men.

No. It was asked because the loonies have just become loonier. No other explanation for it.

And gillard made a very common sense statement. 3 men. All blue ties because PETA thinks it makes them look moderate. All relatively dumb, and not because they are men by because they are just dumb. Wail about debt and deficit and instead have no approach to cut spending. What would you call it?

The MEN of the ALP were pretty unimpressed and a lot of them wear blue ties. Do you even know why??? because they are the best tie for photos in newspapers (red turns black) and for tv. it is that simple.

it was Gillards self-destruction moment - blaming all men for all ills and destroying her own career as a result.

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #39 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:26pm

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Many economists will tell you that there are times when governments should run deficits.

In light of the GFC, and the subsequent end to the resources boom, the economy needs the government to run a surplus.

Australia has done fairly well under Labor in a difficult global environment:

OECD Public Debt 2012

http://www.factsfightback.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/banner-750x380-debt-...

It says quite a bit about Longy's argument that he won't/can't answer the logic of such a simple & accurate statement, instead he does a Maqqa & avoids the real substantive discussions!

The fact is that in the Real world, Economics has had a time & a place for both Deficits, Stimilus & much more.

Normally, in modern Economics, it is a complicated world, it is certainly not as simple as "you must always run at a Budget Surplus".

But now, it is even more complicated than usual, because now there are 3 unique factors influencing events & even the Economic standards used by Austrian & Keynesian Economics are now likely to fail!

Not that Longy &/or Maqqa have idea about what is happening, but they are in good company, because neither does the Liberal or Labor party's!

When it comes to current Economics both Longy & Maqqa, truly have NFI!!!

As I have said previously, Longy & Maqqa are both into SPIN, BUT both avoid the real substantive discussions, particularly on -
1) Global Economics & how that affects OZ!
2) The current, major drivers of Local & Global Economics and how they affect OZ!
3) The REALITIES of Economics in general, including how & why Austrian & Keynesian Economics have combined together in the past.
Why? Because both truly have NFI, when it comes to the Realities of Global &or Local Economics!

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #40 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:29pm

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Many economists will tell you that there are times when governments should run deficits.

In light of the GFC, and the subsequent end to the resources boom, the economy needs the government to run a surplus.

Australia has done fairly well under Labor in a difficult global environment:

OECD Public Debt 2012

http://www.factsfightback.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/banner-750x380-debt-...

It says quite a bit about Longy's argument that he won't/can't answer the logic of such a simple & accurate statement, instead he does a Maqqa & avoids the real substantive discussions!

The fact is that in the Real world, Economics has had a time & a place for both Deficits, Stimilus & much more.

Normally, in modern Economics, it is a complicated world, it is certainly not as simple as "you must always run at a Budget Surplus".

But now, it is even more complicated than usual, because now there are 3 unique factors influencing events & even the Economic standards used by Austrian & Keynesian Economics are now likely to fail!

Not that Longy &/or Maqqa have idea about what is happening, but they are in good company, because neither does the Liberal or Labor party's!

When it comes to current Economics both Longy & Maqqa, truly have NFI!!!

As I have said previously, Longy & Maqqa are both into SPIN, BUT both avoid the real substantive discussions, particularly on -
1) Global Economics & how that affects OZ!
2) The current, major drivers of Local & Global Economics and how they affect OZ!
3) The REALITIES of Economics in general, including how & why Austrian & Keynesian Economics have combined together in the past.
Why? Because both truly have NFI, when it comes to the Realities of Global &or Local Economics!

and while you endlessly wank on about such facts as running out of oil in 1985 your only commentary is to criticise and then offer zero solutions beyond voting out every Mp every time.

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #41 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:39pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Many economists will tell you that there are times when governments should run deficits.

In light of the GFC, and the subsequent end to the resources boom, the economy needs the government to run a surplus.

Australia has done fairly well under Labor in a difficult global environment:

OECD Public Debt 2012

http://www.factsfightback.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/banner-750x380-debt-...

It says quite a bit about Longy's argument that he won't/can't answer the logic of such a simple & accurate statement, instead he does a Maqqa & avoids the real substantive discussions!

The fact is that in the Real world, Economics has had a time & a place for both Deficits, Stimilus & much more.

Normally, in modern Economics, it is a complicated world, it is certainly not as simple as "you must always run at a Budget Surplus".

But now, it is even more complicated than usual, because now there are 3 unique factors influencing events & even the Economic standards used by Austrian & Keynesian Economics are now likely to fail!

Not that Longy &/or Maqqa have idea about what is happening, but they are in good company, because neither does the Liberal or Labor party's!

When it comes to current Economics both Longy & Maqqa, truly have NFI!!!

As I have said previously, Longy & Maqqa are both into SPIN, BUT both avoid the real substantive discussions, particularly on -
1) Global Economics & how that affects OZ!
2) The current, major drivers of Local & Global Economics and how they affect OZ!
3) The REALITIES of Economics in general, including how & why Austrian & Keynesian Economics have combined together in the past.
Why? Because both truly have NFI, when it comes to the Realities of Global &or Local Economics!

and while you endlessly wank on about such facts as running out of oil in 1985 your only commentary is to criticise and then offer zero solutions beyond voting out every Mp every time.

As usual, YOU ARE INCORRECT!
You fail miserably, because you incessantly fail the 4R's!

Oh, but you MAY be improving, "just a tiny bit", because you have picked up "my vote out every incumbent edict", as that may be the only way of getting the establishments attention!

Oh & btw, you still haven't answered any of the REAL & SUBSTANTIVE Economic issues, BUT that's not unusual, because you have NFI what is actually happening!

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #42 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:47pm

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Many economists will tell you that there are times when governments should run deficits.

In light of the GFC, and the subsequent end to the resources boom, the economy needs the government to run a surplus.

Australia has done fairly well under Labor in a difficult global environment:

OECD Public Debt 2012

http://www.factsfightback.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/banner-750x380-debt-...

It says quite a bit about Longy's argument that he won't/can't answer the logic of such a simple & accurate statement, instead he does a Maqqa & avoids the real substantive discussions!

The fact is that in the Real world, Economics has had a time & a place for both Deficits, Stimilus & much more.

Normally, in modern Economics, it is a complicated world, it is certainly not as simple as "you must always run at a Budget Surplus".

But now, it is even more complicated than usual, because now there are 3 unique factors influencing events & even the Economic standards used by Austrian & Keynesian Economics are now likely to fail!

Not that Longy &/or Maqqa have idea about what is happening, but they are in good company, because neither does the Liberal or Labor party's!

When it comes to current Economics both Longy & Maqqa, truly have NFI!!!

As I have said previously, Longy & Maqqa are both into SPIN, BUT both avoid the real substantive discussions, particularly on -
1) Global Economics & how that affects OZ!
2) The current, major drivers of Local & Global Economics and how they affect OZ!
3) The REALITIES of Economics in general, including how & why Austrian & Keynesian Economics have combined together in the past.
Why? Because both truly have NFI, when it comes to the Realities of Global &or Local Economics!

and while you endlessly wank on about such facts as running out of oil in 1985 your only commentary is to criticise and then offer zero solutions beyond voting out every Mp every time.

As usual, YOU ARE INCORRECT!
You fail miserably, because you incessantly fail the 4R's!

Oh, but you MAY be improving, "just a tiny bit", because you have picked up "my vote out every incumbent edict", as that may be the only way of getting the establishments attention!

Oh & btw, you still haven't answered any of the REAL & SUBSTANTIVE Economic issues, BUT that's not unusual, because you have NFI what is actually happening!

And where are your ideas?? oh of course... you don't have any beyond this idiotic notion that cabinet should be composed entirely of people who a month ago were teachers, gardeners and union reps. No experience in parliament itself nevermind managing the largest corporation in the country.

so why not actually give us your IDEAS instead of your antiquated and contractirory garbage.

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #43 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Many economists will tell you that there are times when governments should run deficits.

In light of the GFC, and the subsequent end to the resources boom, the economy needs the government to run a surplus.

Australia has done fairly well under Labor in a difficult global environment:

OECD Public Debt 2012

http://www.factsfightback.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/banner-750x380-debt-...

It says quite a bit about Longy's argument that he won't/can't answer the logic of such a simple & accurate statement, instead he does a Maqqa & avoids the real substantive discussions!

The fact is that in the Real world, Economics has had a time & a place for both Deficits, Stimilus & much more.

Normally, in modern Economics, it is a complicated world, it is certainly not as simple as "you must always run at a Budget Surplus".

But now, it is even more complicated than usual, because now there are 3 unique factors influencing events & even the Economic standards used by Austrian & Keynesian Economics are now likely to fail!

Not that Longy &/or Maqqa have idea about what is happening, but they are in good company, because neither does the Liberal or Labor party's!

When it comes to current Economics both Longy & Maqqa, truly have NFI!!!

As I have said previously, Longy & Maqqa are both into SPIN, BUT both avoid the real substantive discussions, particularly on -
1) Global Economics & how that affects OZ!
2) The current, major drivers of Local & Global Economics and how they affect OZ!
3) The REALITIES of Economics in general, including how & why Austrian & Keynesian Economics have combined together in the past.
Why? Because both truly have NFI, when it comes to the Realities of Global &or Local Economics!

and while you endlessly wank on about such facts as running out of oil in 1985 your only commentary is to criticise and then offer zero solutions beyond voting out every Mp every time.

As usual, YOU ARE INCORRECT!
You fail miserably, because you incessantly fail the 4R's!

Oh, but you MAY be improving, "just a tiny bit", because you have picked up "my vote out every incumbent edict", as that may be the only way of getting the establishments attention!

Oh & btw, you still haven't answered any of the REAL & SUBSTANTIVE Economic issues, BUT that's not unusual, because you have NFI what is actually happening!

And where are your ideas?? oh of course... you don't have any beyond this idiotic notion that cabinet should be composed entirely of people who a month ago were teachers, gardeners and union reps. No experience in parliament itself nevermind managing the largest corporation in the country.

so why not actually give us your IDEAS instead of your antiquated and contractirory garbage.

I have frequently & repeatedly put my ideas in writing, following are some examples -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375798381/42#42
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376185892/all
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376351268/7#7

You may have read them & more, but it wouldn't make much difference, your 4R's a just not that flash!

Oh & as I have said many times, the re-instating of the status quo (that you are wanting) simply isn't about to happen!
This time, everyone will have to bear their fair share of the pain, because Pollies (of all description) got it so wrong, over the last 50-60 years!!
However, I have no doubt there will be too many others, like you, who will try to avoid their fair share of the pain, so our problems will be deeper & last longer than they should!!!

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Re: Why Labor is in deficit.
Reply #44 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 8:45am

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:29pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 10:19pm:

True Colours wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:07pm:

Many economists will tell you that there are times when governments should run deficits.

In light of the GFC, and the subsequent end to the resources boom, the economy needs the government to run a surplus.

Australia has done fairly well under Labor in a difficult global environment:

OECD Public Debt 2012

http://www.factsfightback.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/banner-750x380-debt-...

It says quite a bit about Longy's argument that he won't/can't answer the logic of such a simple & accurate statement, instead he does a Maqqa & avoids the real substantive discussions!

The fact is that in the Real world, Economics has had a time & a place for both Deficits, Stimilus & much more.

Normally, in modern Economics, it is a complicated world, it is certainly not as simple as "you must always run at a Budget Surplus".

But now, it is even more complicated than usual, because now there are 3 unique factors influencing events & even the Economic standards used by Austrian & Keynesian Economics are now likely to fail!

Not that Longy &/or Maqqa have idea about what is happening, but they are in good company, because neither does the Liberal or Labor party's!

When it comes to current Economics both Longy & Maqqa, truly have NFI!!!

As I have said previously, Longy & Maqqa are both into SPIN, BUT both avoid the real substantive discussions, particularly on -
1) Global Economics & how that affects OZ!
2) The current, major drivers of Local & Global Economics and how they affect OZ!
3) The REALITIES of Economics in general, including how & why Austrian & Keynesian Economics have combined together in the past.
Why? Because both truly have NFI, when it comes to the Realities of Global &or Local Economics!

and while you endlessly wank on about such facts as running out of oil in 1985 your only commentary is to criticise and then offer zero solutions beyond voting out every Mp every time.

As usual, YOU ARE INCORRECT!
You fail miserably, because you incessantly fail the 4R's!

Oh, but you MAY be improving, "just a tiny bit", because you have picked up "my vote out every incumbent edict", as that may be the only way of getting the establishments attention!

Oh & btw, you still haven't answered any of the REAL & SUBSTANTIVE Economic issues, BUT that's not unusual, because you have NFI what is actually happening!

And where are your ideas?? oh of course... you don't have any beyond this idiotic notion that cabinet should be composed entirely of people who a month ago were teachers, gardeners and union reps. No experience in parliament itself nevermind managing the largest corporation in the country.

so why not actually give us your IDEAS instead of your antiquated and contractirory garbage.

I have frequently & repeatedly put my ideas in writing, following are some examples -
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1375798381/42#42
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376185892/all
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376351268/7#7

You may have read them & more, but it wouldn't make much difference, your 4R's a just not that flash!

Oh & as I have said many times, the re-instating of the status quo (that you are wanting) simply isn't about to happen!
This time, everyone will have to bear their fair share of the pain, because Pollies (of all description) got it so wrong, over the last 50-60 years!!
However, I have no doubt there will be too many others, like you, who will try to avoid their fair share of the pain, so our problems will be deeper & last longer than they should!!!

you have a truly odd and bizarre concept of 'ideas'. You don't actually propose alternative polices at all. I am sure that deep within the morass inside your head you THINK you are promoting alternative policies but they don't actually make it to the keyboard. Nowhere in your ravings where you lamblast every current version of economic policy do you actually come up with any ACTUAL POLICIES.

you need help - at least in how to write.

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