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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 96917	Re: Forbidden topics in this election: Reply #75 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:16pm The Ryde and Hornsby Greens have been flying under the radar lately. Thoughts?
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Vic Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 8317 Melbourne Victoria Gender:	Re: Forbidden topics in this election: Reply #76 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:25pm Karnal wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:16pm: The Ryde and Hornsby Greens have been flying under the radar lately. Thoughts? Since the local council covered the glory hole with sheet metal, Alan hasn't been seen. Perhaps this has turned so many male members away from the meeting?
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Re: Forbidden topics in this election:
Reply #77 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:03pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

LIST OF FORBIDDEN SUBJECTS

(1) Negative gearing.
(2) GST on online sales.
(3) Tax on startup company shares.
(4) Policy on the 12 new proposed subs.
(5) F35 strike fighter purchases to go ahead?
(6) Which public assets to be sold off.
(7) Tax avoidance by multi-nationals like GOOGLE.
(8) Dental care for those who can't afford it.
(9) Foreign ownership of media.
(10) Foreign ownership of agricultural land
(11) US troops & bases in Australia.
(12) Taxes on superannuation of the over 60s.
(13) Abolition of middle class welfare.
(14) Foreign food labeling laws,
(15) Supermarket/petrol station chain duopolies.
(16) Electric Cars
(17) Raising the retirement age to 70 and above
(18) Turning a blind eye to the NSA snooping peoples internet activities in Australia
(19) Selling off whole suburbs to the chinese
(20) Allowing chinese to buy up property and outbid locals at auctions
(21) Business migration scams creating no jobs for the locals and adding to the black economy.

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(22) Capital gains tax. Should it be reviewed?
(23) Waiting lists for public housing.
(24) Homelessness.
(25) Housing costs.
(26) Should the top effective tax rate of 67.6 cents in the dollar be reduced? ( I thought it was 48 cents? )
(27) Compliance costs for PAYE taxpayers, including the length of time that tax records need to be kept.

The list remains unrebutted.

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Re: Forbidden topics in this election:
Reply #78 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:05pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:03pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

LIST OF FORBIDDEN SUBJECTS

(1) Negative gearing.
(2) GST on online sales.
(3) Tax on startup company shares.
(4) Policy on the 12 new proposed subs.
(5) F35 strike fighter purchases to go ahead?
(6) Which public assets to be sold off.
(7) Tax avoidance by multi-nationals like GOOGLE.
(8) Dental care for those who can't afford it.
(9) Foreign ownership of media.
(10) Foreign ownership of agricultural land
(11) US troops & bases in Australia.
(12) Taxes on superannuation of the over 60s.
(13) Abolition of middle class welfare.
(14) Foreign food labeling laws,
(15) Supermarket/petrol station chain duopolies.
(16) Electric Cars
(17) Raising the retirement age to 70 and above
(18) Turning a blind eye to the NSA snooping peoples internet activities in Australia
(19) Selling off whole suburbs to the chinese
(20) Allowing chinese to buy up property and outbid locals at auctions
(21) Business migration scams creating no jobs for the locals and adding to the black economy.

Added:

(22) Capital gains tax. Should it be reviewed?
(23) Waiting lists for public housing.
(24) Homelessness.
(25) Housing costs.
(26) Should the top effective tax rate of 67.6 cents in the dollar be reduced? ( I thought it was 48 cents? )
(27) Compliance costs for PAYE taxpayers, including the length of time that tax records need to be kept.

The list remains unrebutted.

what exactly were you expecting?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107487 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Forbidden topics in this election: Reply #79 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:09pm Dear Longy, as a paid up Libbo member I thought you could answer some of these questions for us?
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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Forbidden topics in this election: Reply #80 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:26pm Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:09pm: Dear Longy, as a paid up Libbo member I thought you could answer some of these questions for us? I have. you just don't like the answers so you stick your fingers in your ears. eg NO GST on online sales Strike Fighter project to go ahead etc
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Reply #81 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Dear Longy,
as a paid up Libbo member I thought you could answer some of
these questions for us?

I have. you just don't like the answers so you stick your fingers in your ears.

eg

NO GST on online sales
Strike Fighter project to go ahead

etc

Ive also answered his stupid list as well, but since I didn't agree with his moronic stance on these subjects, it also wasn't good enough.

Like a petulant child.

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Re: Forbidden topics in this election:
Reply #82 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Dear Longy,
as a paid up Libbo member I thought you could answer some of
these questions for us?

I have. you just don't like the answers so you stick your fingers in your ears.

eg

NO GST on online sales
Strike Fighter project to go ahead

etc

I'd like answers to all the questions:

just consult your copy of Real Solutions!

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Reply #83 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:29pm

Another issue that appears to be forbidden: removing bracket creep in the PAYE tax system by indexing the tax brackets.

Without indexation, bracket creep slowly causes PAYE taxpayers to pay a greater percentage of their income in tax over time. For average incomes, this adds up to a couple of hundred dollars of extra tax every time there's a pay rise.

Example: Someone earning $60,000 pays $11,047 tax (18.4%). A 3% pay rise gives $61,800, with tax of $11,632 (18.8%). Note the higher percentage: this is bracket creep. If the tax brackets were indexed, the percentage of tax at the new pay level would be the same 18.4% - the tax would then be $11,378 - $254 less. This extra $254 tax is the extra tax that is paid due to bracket creep.

Same example, $150,000: tax = $43,447 (29.0%). 3% pay rise: $154,500, tax = $45,112 (29.2%). Tax on $154,500 at 29.0% = $44,750 ($362 less).

This is why most "tax cuts" are actually not real; they are just returning the proceeds of bracket creep. Both major parties do this because tax cuts are popular and few people know enough about bracket creep to know the truth. Thus, we will not see tax indexation discussed by either major party.

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Reply #84 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:43pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 10:19am:

(26) Should the top effective tax rate of 67.6 cents in the dollar be reduced? ( I thought it was 48 cents? )

If you're thinking of the top tax rate for PAYE taxpayers, it's 47%. There are other taxes that increase this:
* Medicare levy (1.5%) - unless exempt.
* Medicare levy surcharge (1.5%) - if applicable.
* HECS or FEE-HELP repayments (8%) - if applicable.

Total: 58%.
In practice, the Medicare levy surcharge is easy to avoid and the amount of the HECS repayments on this level of income will clear any HECS debt in a few years, so it is unusual to see anyone paying this top rate. The most commonly seen top rate of tax would be 48.5%.

This does not include the forthcoming increase to the Medicare levy to fund the NDIS.

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107487 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Forbidden topics in this election: Reply #85 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 8:34am Good posts Bam, most of the questions are about tax. We must have the most complicated tax structure in the world. The Pollys certainly don't want to talk about it in this election.
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Reply #86 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:01am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 4:41pm:

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 14^th, 2013 at 2:16pm:

I think we need to talk about investment properties or electric cars.

I havent seen enough discussion about these key issues on here.

and their relationship to the Catholic church!

IS THE POPE MOBILE ELECTRIC?
IS THE VATICAN AN INVESTMENT PROPERTY?

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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 107487 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Forbidden topics in this election: Reply #87 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:29pm Tonight's debate will allow both leaders a chance to answer some of the forbidden questions. I can't wait.
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Reply #88 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:35pm

Bam wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 9:29pm:

Another issue that appears to be forbidden: removing bracket creep in the PAYE tax system by indexing the tax brackets.

Without indexation, bracket creep slowly causes PAYE taxpayers to pay a greater percentage of their income in tax over time. For average incomes, this adds up to a couple of hundred dollars of extra tax every time there's a pay rise.

Example: Someone earning $60,000 pays $11,047 tax (18.4%). A 3% pay rise gives $61,800, with tax of $11,632 (18.8%). Note the higher percentage: this is bracket creep. If the tax brackets were indexed, the percentage of tax at the new pay level would be the same 18.4% - the tax would then be $11,378 - $254 less. This extra $254 tax is the extra tax that is paid due to bracket creep.

Same example, $150,000: tax = $43,447 (29.0%). 3% pay rise: $154,500, tax = $45,112 (29.2%). Tax on $154,500 at 29.0% = $44,750 ($362 less).

This is why most "tax cuts" are actually not real; they are just returning the proceeds of bracket creep. Both major parties do this because tax cuts are popular and few people know enough about bracket creep to know the truth. Thus, we will not see tax indexation discussed by either major party.

tax scale indexation is merely maintaining the status quo and while I agree with it, I understand why it is not automatic. It allows a govt to claim it is giving you a tax cut when in reality it isn't.

What I therefore find amusing is the oft-repeated and rather humorous claim by lefties that Howards tax cuts were evil and rewarding high-earners etc, They were largely nothing more than indexation cuts and therefore not really cuts at all.

Labor will never support indexation as it would automatically give tax cuts to the evil, oppressive high income earners which they hate with a passion.

The last govt to have indexation was a liberal one.

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Reply #89 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:24pm

Bobby. wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:29pm:

Tonight's debate will allow both leaders a chance to answer some of the forbidden questions.

I can't wait.

For a person who has not even brought your concerns to his local candidates, it would be foolish in the extreme to expect anyone else, including the party leaders to even be aware of your stupid list.

These topis are not forbidden, they have not even been brought to the attention of any political party.

Ya friggen genius.

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