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Reply #120 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:18pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 

Older WiFi security protocols were easily hacked. There have been a couple of upgrades since then. If you're using WEP, you're vulnerable. Unfortunately, some older hardware doesn't support anything better. There are some good tips at: http://compnetworking.about.com/od/wirelesssecurity/tp/wifisecurity.htm. Even though most modern hardware offers reasonable security, many residential users neglect to set it up.

The radiation thing has been raised repeatedly over the past couple of decades. To date, studies have found no reason for concern at the frequencies and power levels involved in telecommunications. That said, don't go putting your head at the focus of a microwave dish.

As far as Chinese hackers, the only observation I can make that's relevant to the NBN is that Huawei hardware was disqualified because of concerns over the company's links with the Chinese government. There are suspicions that Huawei hardware has built-in back doors that could be used to compromise the network.
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Reply #121 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:47pm
 
# wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:18pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 

Older WiFi security protocols were easily hacked. There have been a couple of upgrades since then. If you're using WEP, you're vulnerable. Unfortunately, some older hardware doesn't support anything better. There are some good tips at: link. Even though most modern hardware offers reasonable security, many residential users neglect to set it up.

The radiation thing has been raised repeatedly over the past couple of decades. To date, studies have found no reason for concern at the frequencies and power levels involved in telecommunications. That said, don't go putting your head at the focus of a microwave dish.

As far as Chinese hackers, the only observation I can make that's relevant to the NBN is that Huawei hardware was disqualified because of concerns over the company's links with the Chinese government. There are suspicions that Huawei hardware has built-in back doors that could be used to compromise the network.


By Chinese hackers, I mean any type of hacker with an agenda. As far as radiation in our evironment goes, there will always be people who are willing to accept 'just a little bit more', on top of everything else. From a wholistic approach, fibre is better because it's safer than wireless, faster than wireless, more secure than wireless and has better capacity than wireless.

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Reply #122 - Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 


sounds likea TT story (ie made-up).  do you keep your passwords on your computer?
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Reply #123 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:08pm
 
# wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 11:36am:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:53am:
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so you are telling me that at some stage, the tv network which can be viewed anywhere on a TV will only be able to be viewed when plugged into the NBN?  ...

It has been mooted, I'm told.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:53am:
... And I guess you think this is some improvement? 

Evidently, someone thinks so. I don't pretend to know enough to have an opinion either way.

The more I think about this, the fewer objections I see. I once bought a battery-powered TV. It was black & white, which gives some idea of when I bought it. I rarely used it and didn't buy a replacement.

In short, for decades I haven't used a TV that wasn't plugged into a power socket. If a TV is already going to be tied to a wall socket, what difference does another cable make?

These days, we have so-called "smart TVs" that are pretty useless without an Internet connection. That connection can be wireless, but wireless tends to fail on HD content.

My home TV is far from smart. Even so, a couple of years ago, I had a couple of network sockets installed behind it. Two sockets proved inadequate, so I added a four-port switch. Components attached to the TV that need network access include:
  • PVR with online schedule;
  • media player (my media is stored on devices on my home network);
  • Android dongle (which came with WiFi that proved inadequate) and
  • an old PC that has been pressed into service as a tuner/PVR/server.

I guess it comes down to the best value use of the spectrum. Given a free fibre connection to the vast majority of premises, is there a higher value use for the spectrum?
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Reply #124 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:28pm
 
# wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:08pm:
# wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 11:36am:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:53am:
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so you are telling me that at some stage, the tv network which can be viewed anywhere on a TV will only be able to be viewed when plugged into the NBN?  ...

It has been mooted, I'm told.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:53am:
... And I guess you think this is some improvement? 

Evidently, someone thinks so. I don't pretend to know enough to have an opinion either way.

The more I think about this, the fewer objections I see. I once bought a battery-powered TV. It was black & white, which gives some idea of when I bought it. I rarely used it and didn't buy a replacement.

In short, for decades I haven't used a TV that wasn't plugged into a power socket. If a TV is already going to be tied to a wall socket, what difference does another cable make?

These days, we have so-called "smart TVs" that are pretty useless without an Internet connection. That connection can be wireless, but wireless tends to fail on HD content.

My home TV is far from smart. Even so, a couple of years ago, I had a couple of network sockets installed behind it. Two sockets proved inadequate, so I added a four-port switch. Components attached to the TV that need network access include:
  • PVR with online schedule;
  • media player (my media is stored on devices on my home network);
  • Android dongle (which came with WiFi that proved inadequate) and
  • an old PC that has been pressed into service as a tuner/PVR/server.

I guess it comes down to the best value use of the spectrum. Given a free fibre connection to the vast majority of premises, is there a higher value use for the spectrum?


what a silly response.  does every powerpopint In your house where you might choose to plug-in a TV is there a Ethernet internet connection right next to it?  Your comments about smart-TVs make you look rather silly.  Since when was a smart-tv useless without internet????  do u even own one???

free-to-air TV will never be on cable.  that defeats the purpose of it. 

Your belief that TV will go tot he NBN is one of the stupidest and most idiotic suggestions Ive heard yet.  I think tho that the title of stupidest definitely goes to conroy and Gillard thinking that the NBN will empty hospital beds because health care can be delivered over the internet.  that was THE DUD of the NBN argument.
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Reply #125 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:37pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 


sounds likea TT story (ie made-up).  do you keep your passwords on your computer? 


Not my area of expertise longy, but I believe you can even download programmes that crack passwords. And yes, some passwords are kept on the computer
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Reply #126 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:56pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 


sounds likea TT story (ie made-up).  do you keep your passwords on your computer? 


Not my area of expertise longy, but I believe you can even download programmes that crack passwords. And yes, some passwords are kept on the computer


if you want to know anything about passwords and encryption DONT watch american TV where cops 'crack' encryption in 30 secs or 'really hard stuff' in 5 minutes.  properly randomised passwords are IMPOSSIBLE to predict and commonly used encryption software available on the net is unbreakable to anyone without a super-computer and anything from days to months to run it on.  We aren't talking an MS WORD password which is hackable with relative easy.  but proper PGP or other encryption is virtual unbreakable.
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Reply #127 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:02pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 


sounds likea TT story (ie made-up).  do you keep your passwords on your computer? 


Not my area of expertise longy, but I believe you can even download programmes that crack passwords. And yes, some passwords are kept on the computer


if you want to know anything about passwords and encryption DONT watch american TV where cops 'crack' encryption in 30 secs or 'really hard stuff' in 5 minutes.  properly randomised passwords are IMPOSSIBLE to predict and commonly used encryption software available on the net is unbreakable to anyone without a super-computer and anything from days to months to run it on.  We aren't talking an MS WORD password which is hackable with relative easy.  but proper PGP or other encryption is virtual unbreakable.


do you think most people use randomised passwords?  Many businesses may have the stuff you are referring to, and even they get hacked.  didn't some 15yr kid hack $10 million from a bank in the US a few years ago? they only reason they caught him was because he tried to withdraw it in cash .... most peoples passwords are simple and  have some sort of sequence or logic so as to make them easy to remember. There are many hacker programmes that can run through 100 million possibles  in mere minutes ... sure, they won't get into all, but I'll bet they get into most personal PC's.
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Reply #128 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:01pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:28pm:
# wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:08pm:
# wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 11:36am:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:53am:
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so you are telling me that at some stage, the tv network which can be viewed anywhere on a TV will only be able to be viewed when plugged into the NBN?  ...

It has been mooted, I'm told.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:53am:
... And I guess you think this is some improvement? 

Evidently, someone thinks so. I don't pretend to know enough to have an opinion either way.

The more I think about this, the fewer objections I see. I once bought a battery-powered TV. It was black & white, which gives some idea of when I bought it. I rarely used it and didn't buy a replacement.

In short, for decades I haven't used a TV that wasn't plugged into a power socket. If a TV is already going to be tied to a wall socket, what difference does another cable make?

These days, we have so-called "smart TVs" that are pretty useless without an Internet connection. That connection can be wireless, but wireless tends to fail on HD content.

My home TV is far from smart. Even so, a couple of years ago, I had a couple of network sockets installed behind it. Two sockets proved inadequate, so I added a four-port switch. Components attached to the TV that need network access include:
  • PVR with online schedule;
  • media player (my media is stored on devices on my home network);
  • Android dongle (which came with WiFi that proved inadequate) and
  • an old PC that has been pressed into service as a tuner/PVR/server.

I guess it comes down to the best value use of the spectrum. Given a free fibre connection to the vast majority of premises, is there a higher value use for the spectrum?


what a silly response.  does every powerpopint In your house where you might choose to plug-in a TV is there a Ethernet internet connection right next to it?
Is there an antenna socket next to every power point in your house? 

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:28pm:
Your comments about smart-TVs make you look rather silly.  Since when was a smart-tv useless without internet????  do u even own one???
From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smart_TV Quote:
A smart TV, sometimes referred to as connected TV or hybrid TV, (not to be confused with IPTV, Internet TV, or with Web TV), describes a trend of integration of the Internet and Web 2.0 features into television sets and set-top boxes, as well as the technological convergence between computers and these television sets / set-top boxes. The devices have a higher focus on online interactive media, Internet TV, over-the-top content, as well as on-demand streaming media, and less focus on traditional broadcast media ...
El58, you've made a fool of yourself again.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:28pm:
free-to-air TV will never be on cable.  that defeats the purpose of it. 
What is that purpose? Would transmitting free TV by cable really defeat it?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:28pm:
Your belief that TV will go tot he NBN is one of the stupidest and most idiotic suggestions Ive heard yet.  I think tho that the title of stupidest definitely goes to conroy and Gillard thinking that the NBN will empty hospital beds because health care can be delivered over the internet.  that was THE DUD of the NBN argument.
I try to avoid belief. This was a possible use to which, at the time, you raised little objection while tacitly acknowledging its validity. I've just been thinking about it and my doubts have decreased.

No need to hyperventilate.
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Reply #129 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:19pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am:
...  do you keep your passwords on your computer?
Most people do, whether they know it or not. Look closely and you'll probably find some of your own, stored in plain text, where any competent hacker could find them.
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Reply #130 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:35pm
 
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 9:47pm:
... From a wholistic approach, fibre is better because it's safer ...

That set me off on another train of thought. Over the years, I've lost four land line 'phones to lighting strikes. There used to be a warning in the printed 'phone book (I presume they still exist, though I haven't seen one in years) against using a land line when there's lighting about.

Apparently, a ground strike causes an electromagnetic pulse in the ground. The pulse induces a hefty current in any copper that happens to be close enough. The copper can carry the current for a considerable distance.

From: http://www.snopes.com/horrors/techno/phone.asp Quote:
Claim:   Lightning strikes have killed people who were talking on the telephone.

Status:   True.

Origins: Lightning ranks second only to floods in storm-related deaths in the United States. On average, Phone more than 60 people are killed by it each year. Not even tornadoes or hurricanes top it in terms of lives lost.

We know not to be outside when electrical storms are flashing through the area, or — if we are caught by surprise — not to seek shelter under trees but instead to crouch and take the wetting until the danger has passed. Yet as aware as we are of the peril posed by summer storms, most of us naively presume we're safe from those errant bolts from the sky when we're indoors.

Yet we're not. Not only have lightning strikes into the nearby ground sent massive power flares into the electrical and telecommunications wiring of proximate houses and flung volt-ridden jolts up pipes and into sinks and bath tubs, bolts themselves have come in through windows to fell occupants of domiciles. Although indoors is a far less hazardous place to be than outdoors during a thunderstorm, it is still not safe.

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Even talking on the telephone during a storm is not absolutely safe. On average one person is killed by lightning while talking on the phone each year. Standard telephones (what are coming to be called land lines, meaning handsets that are plugged into outlets within the home or office) can be somewhat of a risky proposition during an electrical storm, as the wires through which telecommunications takes place can be hit by lightning, with the resultant electrical discharge instantly zapped through nearby handsets and data ports. Yet this danger is small and the number of such strikes relatively low. Even so, as thunderstorms approach, some people opt to unplug costly electrical appliances from power outlets (lightning strikes to power lines can send catastrophic discharge into one's TV) as well as uncouple phone lines from computers and modems. These same folk don't dream of answering their phones until the storms have passed.

Fibre doesn't carry electric current.
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Reply #131 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:38pm
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:02pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 


sounds likea TT story (ie made-up).  do you keep your passwords on your computer? 


Not my area of expertise longy, but I believe you can even download programmes that crack passwords. And yes, some passwords are kept on the computer


if you want to know anything about passwords and encryption DONT watch american TV where cops 'crack' encryption in 30 secs or 'really hard stuff' in 5 minutes.  properly randomised passwords are IMPOSSIBLE to predict and commonly used encryption software available on the net is unbreakable to anyone without a super-computer and anything from days to months to run it on.  We aren't talking an MS WORD password which is hackable with relative easy.  but proper PGP or other encryption is virtual unbreakable.


do you think most people use randomised passwords?  Many businesses may have the stuff you are referring to, and even they get hacked.  didn't some 15yr kid hack $10 million from a bank in the US a few years ago? they only reason they caught him was because he tried to withdraw it in cash .... most peoples passwords are simple and  have some sort of sequence or logic so as to make them easy to remember. There are many hacker programmes that can run through 100 million possibles  in mere minutes ... sure, they won't get into all, but I'll bet they get into most personal PC's.


the password to your PC is worthless.  if hides nothing whatsoever.  All it does is permit access to the Windows OS.  your data is unencrypted and accessible by any computer you plug the drive into.  If you want security then get real security or don't bother.  Proper encryption products are virtually unbreakable. and unlike the movies and TV shows, they don't allow some external program to enter attempt after attempt until you get it right.  Most will actually lock the data after a certain number of tries assuming that the person attempting to get in is unauthorised.
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Reply #132 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 3:25pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:02pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 


sounds likea TT story (ie made-up).  do you keep your passwords on your computer? 


Not my area of expertise longy, but I believe you can even download programmes that crack passwords. And yes, some passwords are kept on the computer


if you want to know anything about passwords and encryption DONT watch american TV where cops 'crack' encryption in 30 secs or 'really hard stuff' in 5 minutes.  properly randomised passwords are IMPOSSIBLE to predict and commonly used encryption software available on the net is unbreakable to anyone without a super-computer and anything from days to months to run it on.  We aren't talking an MS WORD password which is hackable with relative easy.  but proper PGP or other encryption is virtual unbreakable.


do you think most people use randomised passwords?  Many businesses may have the stuff you are referring to, and even they get hacked.  didn't some 15yr kid hack $10 million from a bank in the US a few years ago? they only reason they caught him was because he tried to withdraw it in cash .... most peoples passwords are simple and  have some sort of sequence or logic so as to make them easy to remember. There are many hacker programmes that can run through 100 million possibles  in mere minutes ... sure, they won't get into all, but I'll bet they get into most personal PC's.


the password to your PC is worthless.  if hides nothing whatsoever.  All it does is permit access to the Windows OS.  your data is unencrypted and accessible by any computer you plug the drive into.  If you want security then get real security or don't bother.  Proper encryption products are virtually unbreakable. and unlike the movies and TV shows, they don't allow some external program to enter attempt after attempt until you get it right.  Most will actually lock the data after a certain number of tries assuming that the person attempting to get in is unauthorised.


but we weren't talking about proper encryption products, we are talking about how much easier it is to hack into a pc that runs on wireless, as compared to one fixed to a landline.  SO you agree than that putting people onto wireless is a hackers wet dream?
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John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 3:25pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:02pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 


sounds likea TT story (ie made-up).  do you keep your passwords on your computer? 


Not my area of expertise longy, but I believe you can even download programmes that crack passwords. And yes, some passwords are kept on the computer


if you want to know anything about passwords and encryption DONT watch american TV where cops 'crack' encryption in 30 secs or 'really hard stuff' in 5 minutes.  properly randomised passwords are IMPOSSIBLE to predict and commonly used encryption software available on the net is unbreakable to anyone without a super-computer and anything from days to months to run it on.  We aren't talking an MS WORD password which is hackable with relative easy.  but proper PGP or other encryption is virtual unbreakable.


do you think most people use randomised passwords?  Many businesses may have the stuff you are referring to, and even they get hacked.  didn't some 15yr kid hack $10 million from a bank in the US a few years ago? they only reason they caught him was because he tried to withdraw it in cash .... most peoples passwords are simple and  have some sort of sequence or logic so as to make them easy to remember. There are many hacker programmes that can run through 100 million possibles  in mere minutes ... sure, they won't get into all, but I'll bet they get into most personal PC's.


the password to your PC is worthless.  if hides nothing whatsoever.  All it does is permit access to the Windows OS.  your data is unencrypted and accessible by any computer you plug the drive into.  If you want security then get real security or don't bother.  Proper encryption products are virtually unbreakable. and unlike the movies and TV shows, they don't allow some external program to enter attempt after attempt until you get it right.  Most will actually lock the data after a certain number of tries assuming that the person attempting to get in is unauthorised.


but we weren't talking about proper encryption products, we are talking about how much easier it is to hack into a pc that runs on wireless, as compared to one fixed to a landline.  SO you agree than that putting people onto wireless is a hackers wet dream?


please don't tell me that you think wireless is inherently more likely to be hacked that fibre.  the fibre will connect to a modem with ... yes a wireless connection.
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Reply #134 - Aug 21st, 2013 at 5:11pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 5:08pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 3:25pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 2:38pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 1:02pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:56pm:
John Smith wrote on Aug 21st, 2013 at 12:37pm:
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 19th, 2013 at 9:53am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:50pm:
Winston Smith wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:45pm:
red baron wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 5:10pm:
The sky is the limit for the Wireless Network, I predict that within 5 years the technology for wireless will be so advanced it will make copper networks look like Jurrassic Park.


I predict that within 5 years time scientists will be warning us of a link between living our lives in a world bathed in radiation and a global cancer epidemic. I'm also not sure if wireless is even very secure or private. I imagine it's a lot more vulnerable to Chinese hackers than fixed line.


I saw a documentary once, a hacker merely sat in his car driving around with a laptop which was searching for wireless signals, once he found one it took him 2 minutes to get past the security programme, crack the passwords and extract all sorts of private information including bank account numbers and passwords ... he then moved onto the next house and did it again.... in one hour he had about 15 id's complete with photo's, bank account numbers and passwords. 


sounds likea TT story (ie made-up).  do you keep your passwords on your computer? 


Not my area of expertise longy, but I believe you can even download programmes that crack passwords. And yes, some passwords are kept on the computer


if you want to know anything about passwords and encryption DONT watch american TV where cops 'crack' encryption in 30 secs or 'really hard stuff' in 5 minutes.  properly randomised passwords are IMPOSSIBLE to predict and commonly used encryption software available on the net is unbreakable to anyone without a super-computer and anything from days to months to run it on.  We aren't talking an MS WORD password which is hackable with relative easy.  but proper PGP or other encryption is virtual unbreakable.


do you think most people use randomised passwords?  Many businesses may have the stuff you are referring to, and even they get hacked.  didn't some 15yr kid hack $10 million from a bank in the US a few years ago? they only reason they caught him was because he tried to withdraw it in cash .... most peoples passwords are simple and  have some sort of sequence or logic so as to make them easy to remember. There are many hacker programmes that can run through 100 million possibles  in mere minutes ... sure, they won't get into all, but I'll bet they get into most personal PC's.


the password to your PC is worthless.  if hides nothing whatsoever.  All it does is permit access to the Windows OS.  your data is unencrypted and accessible by any computer you plug the drive into.  If you want security then get real security or don't bother.  Proper encryption products are virtually unbreakable. and unlike the movies and TV shows, they don't allow some external program to enter attempt after attempt until you get it right.  Most will actually lock the data after a certain number of tries assuming that the person attempting to get in is unauthorised.


but we weren't talking about proper encryption products, we are talking about how much easier it is to hack into a pc that runs on wireless, as compared to one fixed to a landline.  SO you agree than that putting people onto wireless is a hackers wet dream?


please don't tell me that you think wireless is inherently more likely to be hacked that fibre.  the fibre will connect to a modem with ... yes a wireless connection.


I guess that depends on the modem .... I have no wireless at my place.
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