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Reply #15 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:08pm
 
Mean while in the real world people will be using their wireless phones and pads and asking "WTF is fiber?"

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Reply #16 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:19pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:08pm:
Mean while in the real world people will be using their wireless phones and pads and asking "WTF is fiber?"

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I can already use the interweb - I don't need no fixed connection, I have 4g at home! (in reality you probably have a fixed connection with a wireless router!)

Meanwhile in the real world, those who understand the technology will know that to use all of these devices you need fibre and a fast fixed connection with a wireless router attached.

Try and run a number of devices on a cellular (3/4g connection) and get back to me.

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Reply #17 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:22pm
 
longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 12:56pm:
Sprintcyclist wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 12:37pm:
Vic wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 12:31pm:
I prefer this one:

http://www.smh.com.au/it-pro/government-it/nbn-the-difference-between-the-two-pl...

Labor have a superior network at a cost of around 10 billion more than the Coalition model.


for $10B more it should be superior


Libs plan will also be deliver ten years EARLIER


and this is why Wink

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Reply #18 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:18pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:08pm:
Mean while in the real world people will be using their wireless ...

I'm glad someone brought up that old furphy. Without wireless, mobile computing isn't possible. Unfortunately, the laws of physics stand between wireless and the capacity of fibre. The two don't compete, they complement each other.

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2012/11/9/technology/killing-nbn-wir...
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Killing the NBN wireless myth

Paul Wallbank 9 Nov 2012, 10:35 AM

The transformative powers of wireless technology is one misconception commonly touted by the opponents of the Labor NBN but improvements in the wireless space are unlikely to render optic fibre networks redundant any time soon. If anything, recent announcements by Japan’s NTT and UK university researchers show that fibre networks are zooming even further ahead of their wireless cousins when it comes to capacity.

Telecommunications companies have used fibre for three decades to provide backbone connections and in that time the capacity growth has been impressive. In 1977, the first commercial use of fibre optics in Southern California delivered a 6Mbps connection. Today’s backbone fibre connections which connect cities and telephone exchanges are 2,000 times faster.

Fibre faster than ever

While it’s established that fibre is a key part of any modern network, with the NBN much of the argument has centred on whether the delivery side would be more ‘future proof’ if it were wireless rather than fibre.

Dispelling this view, researchers at the UK’s Bangor University in Northern Wales this week announced their OCEAN Project had been able to push the barriers on home fibre connections to 20Gbps by using existing technology. Currently those links have a maximum speed of around 1Gbps, as opposed to claimed maximum speeds of 40Mbps on 4G networks.

While NBN Co’s chief technology officer ,Gary McLaren, sees promise in the Bangor University research, the capacity increases we’ll see in the street will come from evolving the network’s neighbourhood hubs to the 10GPON standard with four time more capacity as demand grows.

Down the track, NBN Co’s plans include investment in upgrading both the GPON technologies and the backbone network which carries the data between cities and towns.

Backbone fibre networks are seeing even greater capacity improvements with Japan’s NTT recently announcing they’d been able to push 85 Tbps down a single fibre – weaving together 12 of these fibres gave NTT a Petabyte per second connection (1,000,000 Gbps), nearly 80,000 times more capacity than current fibre networks.'

Project VIP

These improvement in technologies mean NBN Co is not alone in their upgrade plans. In the United States this week, AT&T announced their Project VIP which will move most of their customers onto Internet Protocol (IP) based systems.

Project VIP will involve rolling out fibre to the node for most residential customers while businesses in office blocks and industrial parks – Multi-Tenant Business Buildings in AT&T’s terminology – will get fibre directly to their premises.

AT&T expect the project will cost them $14 billion over three years which includes upgrading their mobile network to 4G. At these rates the far more comprehensive NBN looks reasonably priced with $12 billion expected to be spent over the same period.

It's all about capacity

An interesting side note with AT&T’s Project VIP are the markets the telco expects to address with its new network with home automation, mobile wallets and connected cars all mentioned in their announcement.

These technologies, which are also being explored by Australian providers, means telcos and agencies like NBN Co are going to need the increased capacity on both fibre and wireless networks. The Australian Bureau of Statistics (ABS) reporting that data downloads increased 50 per cent  last year alone, with fixed connections growing fast than mobile.

As our appetite for data grows, the need for these faster technologies in both fixed fibre connections and mobile networks are going to become more critical. This is why both public investment like the NBN and private projects like AT&T’s are essential in providing the capacity needed to meet our demands.

While wireless networks are an important part of the broadband future, it’s the growth in fibre capacity that is going to be critical in meeting those demands.
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Reply #19 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:21pm
 
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It's a MONEY GRAB


Using a MONEY PIT


Contracts for the work being granted to buddy corporations

In return, the buddy-corporations hand a kick-back to whomever granted them the contract

Have you learned nothing from the Obeid-Labor Corruption Saga ?


Just another MONEY PIT to service a MONEY GRAB


YOUR money


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Reply #20 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:26pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 1:02pm:
... systems which will be outdated before they're half completed
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Interesting assertion. What will replace fibre, to make it obsolete? You have evidence, of course.

You wouldn't just say what you think will work, would you? You're not Tony Abbott, are you?
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Reply #21 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:28pm
 
Wireless is not, and will not be a replacement for home network connections.

While you might not need a high speed fibre connection now, it's odds on that you will need one in the not too distant future.

The "high" speeds being touted now, will be the low speeds of the next decade.
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Reply #22 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:31pm
 
Riiiiight

because you all NEED supersonic speeds in order to Post for Pay  here


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Reply #23 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:32pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
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It's a MONEY GRAB
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My goodness, you are all assertion and capitals, aren't you?  Roll Eyes

Wasn't the need for radical upgrades to Australia's telecommunications network established in the 1990s (Networking the Nation/Networked Nation - something along those lines)?
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Reply #24 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:38pm
 
PZ547 wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:31pm:
Riiiiight

because you all NEED supersonic speeds in order to Post for Pay  here


Grin


No. You need only have a 9.6k modem to post here - that was my only option until early last year and I managed fine.

What I said was that you might not need it now, but the chances are odds on that you will need a high speed connection in the future - obviously to all but the extremely moronic, I wasn't meaning for simple forum posts.
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Reply #25 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:41pm
 
The NBN fiasco


is a MONEY GRAB


using a

MONEY PIT



and everyone knows it, regardless of what your owners instruct you to say


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Reply #26 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:42pm
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:19pm:
FriYAY wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 2:08pm:
Mean while in the real world people will be using their wireless phones and pads and asking "WTF is fiber?"

Roll Eyes


I can already use the interweb - I don't need no fixed connection, I have 4g at home! (in reality you probably have a fixed connection with a wireless router!)

Meanwhile in the real world, those who understand the technology will know that to use all of these devices you need fibre and a fast fixed connection with a wireless router attached.

Try and run a number of devices on a cellular (3/4g connection) and get back to me.




So who do you think "NEEDS" superfast fiber in the home?
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So who do you think "NEEDS" superfast fiber in the home?





Not the remnants of what we jokingly refer to as 'Australian business' --- that's for sure.  Ever seen the majority of business websites ?  Go to Freedom Furniture Australia and they won't even let you look at their merchandise, lol, until you've entered your post-code.  When you DO, it's rejected on the grounds there 'exists no such post code'.  Not in the US there isn't, Freedom.  Did you forget we're in AUSTRALIA you fools ?

And that's par for the course with Australian business and services websites.  So they might as well stay on landline


Who needs supersonic speeds as will NOT be provided by the broken-backed NBN ?

Well, maybe gamers.  But can they afford it ?  Or at least, can their PARENTS afford it at the same time as keeping middle aged kids at home all day playing online ?  Doubt it

Maybe porn addicts.  They would probably be in favour of the broken-backed NBN --- but as they can't take their hands from themselves, they probably wouldn't utilize it anyway

Who else --- ebay shoppers?  But if that's the case --- are either of the two big fake parties going to start asking ebay to pay a bit of TAX to this country ?  Doubt it


And the Paid to Posts.  They'd like it.  They tell themselves if they had it, they'd be able to post under fifty IDs simultaneously.  However, as they're working for peanuts, they would not be able to afford it, no way


So it's just a MONEY GRAB

using another MONEY PIT

and I'm NOT voting for any crumby party that endorses it

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Reply #28 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:54pm
 
It's only about home users, no business would ever want or need fibre.

You would have been a visionary in 1910!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDQY1upYFfI

Mr Matthews "The practical men in the Department, not the theorists, think that nothing is gained by using copper wire for short lines. Some of the iron wire lines have been in use for 30 years, and give as good results now as copper wire lines."

Do I need to build you a time machine?
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Reply #29 - Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:59pm
 
Fit of Absent Mindeness wrote on Aug 15th, 2013 at 3:54pm:
It's only about home users, no business would ever want or need fibre.

You would have been a visionary in 1910!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDQY1upYFfI


So businees uptake will pay for the cost of the NBN?
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