longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16
th, 2013 at 9:22am:
A) you still have provided not a single application that needs more than what we currently have nevermind FTTN with 100Mbps
You have no vision! 1 user watching youtube, 1 user streaming 4k video, 1 user playing xbox 360 and 1 user downloading a movie - not hard to fathom how we could use these speeds. A sdd can write at 300mbps, if you max your connection it still won't reach these speeds. It's not just about home usage either!
B) 100Mbps was okay last year so why not this year
Can you get 100mbps on copper everywhere? Unless you have copper pairs (most houses in Australia don't!) and put a car size box ever 100m, copper won't get anywhere near this speed. While the world record for fibre is 126 pettabits a second!
C) copper was supposed to be incapable of more than 33kbps until we found it could do better and now it is 100Mbps. The idea that something 'cant be done' in electronics is rather passé. processor speeds and PCB track widths were supposed to have reached physical limits and yet they haven't. HHD capacities were suppose to have reached maximum limts long ago and yet haven't
Fibre can reach 126 pettabits a second (and climbing!) Copper has reached it's limit @ 1 gigabit (that's if you have new copper and operate at a range of 50m!)
D) FTTN is much cheaper
Is it? Taking into account the extra maintenance, electricity and the cost of the copper, it actually costs as much or more!
E) FTTN will be complete far faster and with the NBNs current record of delivery, probably 10 years faster
"Probably 10 years faster" BZZZZZZ WRONG!!!!!! It will be completed 2 years earlier but won't solve the issues with degraded copper.
F) how does 'no substantial benefit' apply to a network that offers 10 times current bandwidth and identical to the bandwidth of the NBN from only a year ago?
Can I have some of what your taking? The nbn is capable of much faster speeds - all you need to do is upgrade the electronics at either end. Copper isn't capable of this
G) and FTTN still provides the capacity for full FTTP if needed by simply running the fibre last segment. So if you need it, you can get it but yes, you will have to pay for it. Businesses who need it wont hesitate and residences that need it likewise. Those that simply WANT it rather than need it might not be so comfortable
It's not that easy. You have to replace all of the electronics and you've wasted billions (up to 10 billion) on those car sized cabinets.
H) FTTN becomes FTTP at a later point if deemed necessary and much of the work is already done.
Fibre-to-the-node was not a stepping stone to fibre-to-the-premise. In fact, if anything it would put it backwards. ”
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/04/30/fttn-a-huge-mistake-says-ex-bt-cto/
news One of the UK’s foremost telecommunications experts, a former chief technology officer of British telco BT, has publicly stated that fibre to the node-style broadband is “one of the biggest mistakes humanity has made”, imposing huge bandwidth and unreliability problems on those who implement it, as the Coalition may do in Australia.
http://delimiter.com.au/2012/08/24/fibre-to-the-home-the-preferred-option-says-nz/
news New Zealand’s conservative party technology minister has hailed fibre to the home as the preferred option for national telecommunications infrastructure, stating during a visit to Australia this week that it made better “fiscal sense” to deploy fibre all the way to the premise where possible, instead of only to neighbourhood ‘nodes’ as Australia’s Coalition is proposing.
http://delimiter.com.au/2013/05/20/is-fttn-vectoring-just-a-pipe-dream/
Vectoring is a technique applied to copper ADSL networks which aims to significantly increase the speeds attainable on such networks. According to Wikipedia, the technique is based on the principle of noise cancellation on an ADSL line. Over the past several years, Turnbull has mentioned vectoring several times as a possible technology to help deliver the Coalition’s FTTN-based NBN rollout. Here’s the Liberal MP on launch day in April for the Coalition’s NBN policy:
More recently, some pro-FTTP commentators have been examining the vectoring situation more closely. Local IT pro Kieran Cummings, for example, wrote last week, in a provocatively titled post named headed “Why You’ll Never Get Vectoring”:
“When I see the claims of 90% of Australia receiving a minimum of 50Mbps I remind myself of the reality that there are no VDSL2 providers offering any guarantees like this. In fact, BT has already revised down the “capable” speeds of their VDSL2 services due to consumer backlash over lacklustre speeds. When looking at the [Deutsche Telekom] example, they are well aware the end-game is fibre, and that end-game is near with DT estimating less than 30 years before their copper network will be decommissioned.”
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-06-23/telstras-copper-network-in-a-state-of-disrepair-say-unions/4774342
Unions have told the ABC that Telstra's copper network is in a state of disrepair, with workers at the coalface of the infrastructure using plastic bags to protect cables from water.
The telecommunications pits have been nicknamed 'bag-dad' by contractors because of the plastic bags, that are in theory supposed to keep the water out.
Do I really have to keep debating you on why fttn is not the way
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