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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie Reply #15 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:09pm The website also contains five statements by Tony Abbott and one by Chris "Mr Smugness" Pyne. Only one of them is true. But we don't want to talk about THAT, do we?
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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #16 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:11pm

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

The website also contains five statements by Tony Abbott and one by Chris "Mr Smugness" Pyne.

Only one of them is true.

But we don't want to talk about THAT, do we?

the classic childs response 'but mum....he did it too'.

why not simply say that Rudd and labor are LYING.

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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #18 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:43pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:11pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

The website also contains five statements by Tony Abbott and one by Chris "Mr Smugness" Pyne.

Only one of them is true.

But we don't want to talk about THAT, do we?

the classic childs response 'but mum....he did it too'.

why not simply say that Rudd and labor are LYING.

Considering that argument gets raised in every single thread, by everyone(yes I'm guilty), your stating the oblvious.

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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #19 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:53pm

ok lets fast forward to the present day... and talk about the facts...

in the second half of last year Labor stole over 1 Billion Dollars out of Victoria's Health Budget..

once Labor called the election date... they put it back in again...

wow...

Rudd can't stand on any moral stool about cutting anything to the bone...

when Labor pulled out that Billion + dollars people lost their jobs, hundreds of procedures got knocked on the head which put peoples lives at risk...

it would be too hard to say if this actually killed people but you have to wonder.... people waiting for their operation that gets delayed and then they died...

it wouldn't be the first time Labor has killed people with their policies...

its a bloody disgrace... Angry

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Reply #20 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:58pm

Sadly I didn't need politifact to realize most of what is said.

Rudds campaign to date has been terrible and it feels like a role reversal of three years ago when Abbott played the man and Gillard played the ball.

This time round it's Rudd attacking Abbott and Abbott appears to be focusing on selling team coalition.

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Reply #21 - Aug 15^th, 2013 at 9:03pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:11pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

The website also contains five statements by Tony Abbott and one by Chris "Mr Smugness" Pyne.

Only one of them is true.

But we don't want to talk about THAT, do we?

the classic childs response 'but mum....he did it too'.

why not simply say that Rudd and labor are LYING.

You should know longy, you're a master at it. Just providing a little balance.

Are the untrue statements by Abbott and smug Pyne lies?

Well?

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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #22 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 8:58am

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

If I tell you I am giving you 100, for which you make your plans, and then I only give you $10, I have taken $90 out of your budget. What part of that is difficult for the morons on here?

Except that isn't the argument is it?

The argument is that you currently get $33 and you WANT $43. I then give you $42. no matter how you describe that it is an INCREASE in funding and s substantial one.

and you still haven't addressed that lie about Abbott since he wasn't even involved in the discussion or decision!

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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #23 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 8:59am

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:11pm:

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 6:09pm:

The website also contains five statements by Tony Abbott and one by Chris "Mr Smugness" Pyne.

Only one of them is true.

But we don't want to talk about THAT, do we?

the classic childs response 'but mum....he did it too'.

why not simply say that Rudd and labor are LYING.

You should know longy, you're a master at it. Just providing a little balance.

Are the untrue statements by Abbott and smug Pyne lies?

Well?

I do not even know what the statements are but given that the usual definition of a Abbott lie is his failed prediction on next weeks foot matches then my care factor is rather low.

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Peter Freedman Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5275 Wellington Gender:	Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie Reply #24 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 9:43am The website is in the OP. Too much effort to visit it, longy?
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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #25 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 9:45am

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

The website is in the OP. Too much effort to visit it, longy?

the thread is on a LABOR LIE. how about stick to that one first. I'm a little over defending so-called 'abbot lies' since they seem to be mainly failed predictions or opinion. and the rest of them are actually (like this one) labor manufacturing a lie to suit their purposes.

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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #26 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:33am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 9:45am:

Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 9:43am:

The website is in the OP. Too much effort to visit it, longy?

the thread is on a LABOR LIE. how about stick to that one first. I'm a little over defending so-called 'abbot lies' since they seem to be mainly failed predictions or opinion. and the rest of them are actually (like this one) labor manufacturing a lie to suit their purposes.

Good. So we won't see you defending Abbott's statements again?

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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #27 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:36am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

If I tell you I am giving you 100, for which you make your plans, and then I only give you $10, I have taken $90 out of your budget. What part of that is difficult for the morons on here?

Except that isn't the argument is it?

The argument is that you currently get $33 and you WANT $43. I then give you $42. no matter how you describe that it is an INCREASE in funding and s substantial one.

and you still haven't addressed that lie about Abbott since he wasn't even involved in the discussion or decision!

Did you even bother to read the OP?

'The increase was around $1 billion less than foreshadowed a year earlier'

that is, in effect, exactly what they had said. Back in your box you idiot.

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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #28 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

If I tell you I am giving you 100, for which you make your plans, and then I only give you $10, I have taken $90 out of your budget. What part of that is difficult for the morons on here?

Except that isn't the argument is it?

The argument is that you currently get $33 and you WANT $43. I then give you $42. no matter how you describe that it is an INCREASE in funding and s substantial one.

and you still haven't addressed that lie about Abbott since he wasn't even involved in the discussion or decision!

Did you even bother to read the OP?

'The increase was around $1 billion less than foreshadowed a year earlier'

that is, in effect, exactly what they had said. Back in your box you idiot.

and increase of $9B is NEVER going to be a decrease of $1B ergo a lie. Blaming Abbott for this is also a lie since he wasn't even health minister at the time. Another Lie

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Re: Fairfax nails a long-time Labor lie
Reply #29 - Aug 16^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 11:36am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 8:58am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 15^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

If I tell you I am giving you 100, for which you make your plans, and then I only give you $10, I have taken $90 out of your budget. What part of that is difficult for the morons on here?

Except that isn't the argument is it?

The argument is that you currently get $33 and you WANT $43. I then give you $42. no matter how you describe that it is an INCREASE in funding and s substantial one.

and you still haven't addressed that lie about Abbott since he wasn't even involved in the discussion or decision!

Did you even bother to read the OP?

'The increase was around $1 billion less than foreshadowed a year earlier'

that is, in effect, exactly what they had said. Back in your box you idiot.

and increase of $9B is NEVER going to be a decrease of $1B ergo a lie. Blaming Abbott for this is also a lie since he wasn't even health minister at the time. Another Lie

did you take your stupid pills today? If I tell you I am going to give you, next year, $100 000 on this date, and you allow for this money, then on the day I give you $50 000 ... I've just ripped $50 000 out of your budget ... don't try to pretend I didn't just because the money wasn't in your pocket to start with.

Do you spend money before you get it? (don't even think of answering no) What does it do to your budget if your don't get the money you were supposed too?

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