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Reply #135 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:05pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

muso wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:33am:

There are examples where they pool their dole, share a house for next to nothing per person, smoke drugs and drink alcohol.

You sure we're not talking about envy here?

Do you think the government should try and stop people spending welfare on illicit drugs?

Through education? Most certainly.

Exactly. Educate them that if they fail drugs testing they lose their welfare.

No, I certainly couldn't condone a draconian policy like that.

No, and those who do deserve to be removed from the gene-pool.

By whatever means necessary... Angry

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Reply #136 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:35pm

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Oh how draconian - stopping people from using welfare payments to break the law.

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just terrible....

Would you also stop people who are not on welfare from using their money to break the law?

If not, why not?

It's not legal for anyone to buy and use certain drugs - you do know that.....don't you?

The laws are already in place.

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So, you're telling me that nobody breaks the law?

Really?

Where on earth did i say that?

Welfare payments should not be used to purchse and use illegal drugs. And every means should be used to ensure it does not happen, including drug testing.

Do drugs = no welfare - simple.

Do you have a point to make, at all.... Huh

Here in australia we are supposed to be presumed innocent. Subjecting so many ppl to drug tests when the majority are not using drugs is ridiculous and a violation of their rights. Should we test EVERYONE for drugs regardless if they are on the dole?

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Postmodern Trendoid Gold Member Offline International socialist Posts: 892 Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #137 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:38pm The unemployed should be able to spend tax payer's money how ever they want. This is progress.
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Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat.
Reply #138 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:53pm

Kat wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:05pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:03am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 10:32am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:36am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:34am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

muso wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:33am:

There are examples where they pool their dole, share a house for next to nothing per person, smoke drugs and drink alcohol.

You sure we're not talking about envy here?

Do you think the government should try and stop people spending welfare on illicit drugs?

Through education? Most certainly.

Exactly. Educate them that if they fail drugs testing they lose their welfare.

No, I certainly couldn't condone a draconian policy like that.

No, and those who do deserve to be removed from the gene-pool.

By whatever means necessary... Angry

You want to kill me, because i think welfare should be spent on welfare and not ICE.

How utterly pathetic of you.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #139 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:54pm This thread almost seems like a competition to see who can concoct the dumbest scheme to punish the unemployed. I can't pick a clear winner yet, but keep it up, you're all still in the hunt for the coveted title.
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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #140 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:00pm ... wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:54pm: This thread almost seems like a competition to see who can concoct the dumbest scheme to punish the unemployed. Having to go into centrelink and sit with all the bogans is punishment enough, if that doesn't make you want to get a job nothing will.
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Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat.
Reply #141 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:01pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Oh how draconian - stopping people from using welfare payments to break the law.

Roll Eyes

just terrible....

Would you also stop people who are not on welfare from using their money to break the law?

If not, why not?

It's not legal for anyone to buy and use certain drugs - you do know that.....don't you?

The laws are already in place.

Shocked

So, you're telling me that nobody breaks the law?

Really?

Where on earth did i say that?

Welfare payments should not be used to purchse and use illegal drugs. And every means should be used to ensure it does not happen, including drug testing.

Do drugs = no welfare - simple.

Do you have a point to make, at all.... Huh

Here in australia we are supposed to be presumed innocent. Subjecting so many ppl to drug tests when the majority are not using drugs is ridiculous and a violation of their rights. Should we test EVERYONE for drugs regardless if they are on the dole?

SOB

Presumption of innocence has nothing to do with it FFS.

Back up your statistics - AGAIN?

Ridiculous comment, try and stay on topic.

So you think it's ok for people to be out buying and using ICE when they are on the dole.

Unreal.....

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Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat.
Reply #142 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:02pm

... wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

This thread almost seems like a competition to see who can concoct the dumbest scheme to punish the unemployed.
I can't pick a clear winner yet, but keep it up, you're all still in the hunt for the coveted title.

So you think it's Ok to buy ICE with your dole cheque as well.

Unreal.....

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Reply #143 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:20pm

Lets say random testing - 6 times a year on average with some being less and some being more.

That's about $30mil for the testing kits alone assuming it's just for the 350,000 Newstart recipients. Throw in another $30mil for the actual administration and training etc.

Actually, that's quite reasonable.

Very Big Brother-ish, but as far as costs go, it's reasonable.

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Reply #144 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:09pm

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:01pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:35pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:57am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:18am:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:16am:

Oh how draconian - stopping people from using welfare payments to break the law.

Roll Eyes

just terrible....

Would you also stop people who are not on welfare from using their money to break the law?

If not, why not?

It's not legal for anyone to buy and use certain drugs - you do know that.....don't you?

The laws are already in place.

Shocked

So, you're telling me that nobody breaks the law?

Really?

Where on earth did i say that?

Welfare payments should not be used to purchse and use illegal drugs. And every means should be used to ensure it does not happen, including drug testing.

Do drugs = no welfare - simple.

Do you have a point to make, at all.... Huh

Here in australia we are supposed to be presumed innocent. Subjecting so many ppl to drug tests when the majority are not using drugs is ridiculous and a violation of their rights. Should we test EVERYONE for drugs regardless if they are on the dole?

SOB

Presumption of innocence has nothing to do with it FFS.

Back up your statistics - AGAIN?

Ridiculous comment, try and stay on topic.

So you think it's ok for people to be out buying and using ICE when they are on the dole.

Unreal.....

A dole check wouldn't buy any "ice". Criminals should be in jail but leave the unemployed alone.

Just because a lot of drug users are on the dole doesnt mean unemployed ppl are drug users. Thats faulty logic.

There are 400k more ppl looking for work than there are jobs. I have posted the stats on that several times.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:31am:

Swagman wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:20am:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Apr 9^th, 2013 at 9:14am:

Seriously how many times has it been pointed out to you? There arent enough jobs for everyone

I do not believe that to be the case Borg.

This is from january

http://www.smh.com.au/data-point/job-vacancies-plunge-as-confidence-slides-20130...

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Australia had only 166,000 vacant jobs in November, down from 193,000 two years earlier. More than 600,000 Australians were looking for work.

How many looking for jobs?

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Reply #145 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:18pm

... wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

This thread almost seems like a competition to see who can concoct the dumbest scheme to punish the unemployed.I can't pick a clear winner yet, but keep it up, you're all still in the hunt for the coveted title.

They're very good at that, but have yet to come up with one single thing which actually benefits the unemployed.

Not one. In the three-four years I've been a member, not one idea that would help the unemployed, beyond the old, tired 'Get a job' and 'bludgers'.

It's all abuse and denigration, but notice how petulant they get when I give some back, it's then me who's the worst in the world.

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Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat.
Reply #146 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:28pm

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

A dole check wouldn't buy any "ice". Criminals should be in jail but leave the unemployed alone.

Street deals of ICE are cheap, it's rampant in our community and is now taking hold in the local indigenous communities as well. You don't know what you are talking about.

So the unemployed should be above the law, are you freaking serious!!

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

Just because a lot of drug users are on the dole doesnt mean unemployed ppl are drug users. Thats faulty logic.

SOB

Who are you even responding to here? You're the epitome faulty logic.

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 4:09pm:

There are 400k more ppl looking for work than there are jobs. I have posted the stats on that several times.

SOB

So, who dares? You said 95% of welfare recipiants where not on drugs - i asked to see that stats to back it up.

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Reply #147 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

Kat wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

... wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

This thread almost seems like a competition to see who can concoct the dumbest scheme to punish the unemployed.I can't pick a clear winner yet, but keep it up, you're all still in the hunt for the coveted title.

They're very good at that, but have yet to come up with one single thing which actually benefits the unemployed.

Not one. In the three-four years I've been a member, not one idea that would help the unemployed, beyond the old, tired 'Get a job' and 'bludgers'.

It's all abuse and denigration, but notice how petulant they get when I give some back, it's then me who's the worst in the world.

Poor Kat, always crying for your self... Roll Eyes

So what part of not taking illegal drugs, not smoking, not drinking alcohol and eating the correct foods do you think will be harmful to the unemployed?

Their health would suffer maybe?

Their budget, huh?

Their extended family, they'd suffer i guess?

The trees are blocking your view of the woods man.

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Reply #148 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 6:11pm

FriYAY wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:18pm:

... wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:54pm:

This thread almost seems like a competition to see who can concoct the dumbest scheme to punish the unemployed.I can't pick a clear winner yet, but keep it up, you're all still in the hunt for the coveted title.

They're very good at that, but have yet to come up with one single thing which actually benefits the unemployed.

Not one. In the three-four years I've been a member, not one idea that would help the unemployed, beyond the old, tired 'Get a job' and 'bludgers'.

It's all abuse and denigration, but notice how petulant they get when I give some back, it's then me who's the worst in the world.

Poor Kat, always crying for your self... Roll Eyes

So what part of not taking illegal drugs, not smoking, not drinking alcohol and eating the correct foods do you think will be harmful to the unemployed?

Their health would suffer maybe?

Their budget, huh?

Their extended family, they'd suffer i guess?

The trees are blocking your view of the woods man.

Well, what sort of reaction did you expect, when you try to tar all unemployed as drug addicts, hey?

I'd bet that the percentage of unemployed who do drugs would be actually lower than the general populace.

If for no other reason than that they simply couldn't afford it.

As long as you (and others) keep trying to drag all the unemployed down to fit your (incorrect)
stereotype, you'll get neither sympathy nor agreement from me.

No, I don't begrudge an unemployed person the odd foil of pot, and never will. Their lives are miserable enough, they
are entitled to their relaxation too, I do not, however, support the use of 'hard' drugs by anyone, employed or not
(so don't even go there).

And no, I'm not going away...

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Reply #149 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 6:24pm

Kat wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 6:10am:

John Smith wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 7:33pm:

Kat wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 7:28pm:

Why?

Because of the many that abuse the system .... why do we have gun control? Not everyone is going to shoot someone.

But there are NOT 'many' who abuse the system.

They are a very small minority.

But this is the lie the conservatives continue to push because the gullible gobble it up.

And I fail to see how you can equate the dole with gun-control.

The unemployed don't kill people, any more than workers do.

Actually Kat, there are many many many that abuse the system ... I spent 15yrs working in department of housing properties, and I saw it all the time. One house I remember in particular .... I was working on a house whilst at the same time the local radio station decided to hold a fundraiser to help this family with 4 kids under 10. They needed help because a fire in the house a few weeks prior had destroyed most of the kids furniture, clothes and toys. . ... what the radio station failed to mention is that the fire started because mum and dad decided to lock 4 kids (under 10) in one bedroom so they could shoot up with heroin,. The parents passed out cold and after a few hours the kids got bored and found a box of matches to play with.

Do you want to bet on where most of that money raised was spent? On the kids new furniture, clothes toys, or on drugs? I'm betting most of it went on more drugs. I'm also betting it wouldn't have taken long before any new furniture was hocked to buy drugs too.

My example of the gun control was not because I think unemployed kill people. Most gun owners are good responsible people .... a very small minority abuse gun ownership and yet all gun owners must face tough restrictions. The same with vouchers ... whilst most people spend their money properly, the vouchers protect the families of those that don't.

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