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Reply #195 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:26pm

muso wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 8:49am:

Sappho wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:41pm:

Looks like morons agreeing with morons.

Vegetation is neither more or less healthy than meat. It is very difficult to have a consistently healthy diet without animal protein in that diet, although I acknowledge that with the right level of knowledge on food nutrition, it can be done. It is also true that most people lack the nutritional knowledge to live healthily without animal protein. Even the vegetarian quoted here acknowledges that they include animal protein in their diet.

We must have protein to survive and the easiest source of protein is derived from animals and their by products.

Protein is expensive whether it is it meat or an animal by product.

You're right. Most people probably do lack the knowledge to live on a vegetarian diet, but the information is readily available. Ignorance is not a huge stumbling block.

Actually I would argue that ignorance is a huge stumbling block. Just thinking back to my V.C.E studies in Human Development and Nutrition gives me an appreciation of how complex it is to ensure that a human body is receiving all the nutrients required where it is that animal protein is not being consumed. The depth of knowledge required on Nutrition alone is quite significant... then you need to know from which plants to get what nutrients and in what quantities... After doing that subject formally in year twelve, all I learnt is that a healthy vegan diet is complex and should be created in consultation with a Nutritionist. That a comprehensive book on Nutrition is required. That a background in Nutrition is required (equivalent to year 12 so you can know what you are talking about)

Then there is the matter of motivation or the lack thereof... really, it this 'get what you want when you want' world, the idea of striving in knowledge on Nutrition and spending hours in the kitchen creating nutritional food is a low priority for most people.

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Reply #197 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:39pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:59pm:

In Australia, those on the dole are complaining that they can't afford to buy/eat meat.

In other countries, the dole doesn't exist and people don't have anything to eat .. let alone meat.

Food for thought ( pun intended ).

Sharpen your pencil next time you want to make a point... You'll have more success. Otherwise, this topic is not about other nations... it's about Australia... so your point is blunt... as per usual.

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Reply #198 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:45pm

mantra wrote on Aug 16^th, 2013 at 8:08am:

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'The one discernible item in a family budget is food … so if you see lamb chops selling for between $40 and $50 a kilo, a working family on a tight budget can't afford that.''

According to figures from food relief agencies, about 370,000 Victorians will experience food insecurity this year - a term used to describe a lack of readily available, safe and nutritious food. Sad

Even those who aren't on a tight budget would rarely spend $50 a kilo on lamb cutlets if they needed meat. Meat and vegetables generally are quite inexpensive at the moment and you can buy some nice cuts of beef at around $10 a kilo if you look for it.

Coles sells beef mince now at $5 a kilo if you're desperate.

Chicken wings are always around $2 a kilo and chicken breast is about $8 a kilo at the butcher.

Obviously it would be extremely difficult to live on the dole - but it's not necessary to spend much on food if you're careful about how you prepare it. Add lots of vegetables to any sort of meat and it can feed you for a few days.

There wouldn't be too many families living just on the dole. They get all sorts of allowances now which props it up considerably.

Exactly: only liberal voters buy the french cutlets!

I don't even think they're 50 bucks a kilo are they? The only thing I can think of that is 50 bucks a kilo is dhu-fish! Cool

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Reply #199 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:50pm

muso wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 4:16pm:

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:14am:

Health is relative. If youre happy being a skinnyfat weed, then yes vegetarianism is ample.

This guy is a vegan. To me, vegans are just plain weird, but he seems to survive ok as a "skinnyfat weed"
[url]http://www.greatveganathletes.com/sites/default/files/styles/medium/public/field/image/Rich Roll.png[/url]

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Rich is an elite-level amateur ultra-distance endurance athlete who has competed in the toughest events in the world. He adopted a vegan diet when, at age 40, he realised his health and fitness were at very poor levels. He is also an advocate for a plant based diet, which he believes played a large part in his transition from an unhealthy middle-aged man to the top-level athlete he is today. He is a regular ultraman competitior which involves a 10km swim, cycling over 200 miles and running a double marathon.

You got 1 guy - I got everyone else.

Perhaps the huge imbalance is because it's very difficult to obtain high performance without animal protein...or perhaps it's because theres no money in sport, or people just aren't interested in gaining an edge. I think you know which one is correct.

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Reply #201 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:55pm

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 3:25pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:58pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 12:28pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 12:07pm:

FriYAY wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 11:16am:

Current OZ opening bowler Peter Siddle is vegetarian.

maybe if he ate some meat it would put more umph in his bowling ...

The way the Aussies are playing at the moment, I wouldn't choose cricketers as an example for vegetarianism.

I’ll choose any example I dam want to thanks Joan.

Siddle has 167 wickets @ 28.5 at an economy of 2.98 and a strike rate of 57.5 all of which are excellent test cricket statistics.

Chappell, regarded as one of our best, made 7000 test runs @ 53.8 and 24000 1st class runs at 52.

So that makes my examples pretty pertinent and your reply somewhat maroonic, but true to form….perhaps you need a good steak? Or better still some “brain food”.

It’s been fun owning you again, cheers. Grin

seems like you'd had to much cabbage lately ..... the expansion of the gases created in your body seem to be putting pressure on what little brains you have.

LOL

I know, I’ll make a pissy little comeback, that will gloss over the fact that FirYAY has owned my poor dumb arse again..

Oh my goodness Joan, it just won’t do.

You know the saying – when you find yourself in a hole “STOP DIGGING”

Grin

I'll leave the pissy comeback to you .... do you always get so excited about imaginary things? You haven't owned anything apart from a defective brain.

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Reply #203 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm

Sappho wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:59pm:

In Australia, those on the dole are complaining that they can't afford to buy/eat meat.

In other countries, the dole doesn't exist and people don't have anything to eat .. let alone meat.

Food for thought ( pun intended ).

Sharpen your pencil next time you want to make a point... You'll have more success. Otherwise, this topic is not about other nations... it's about Australia... so your point is blunt... as per usual.

I don't use pencils... so you can bugger off and give your useless advice to someone else who may be desperate and stupid enough to want it.

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Reply #204 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:01pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:57pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 3:44pm:

Oh my, people are apparently being "owned" in here.

What sad and tragic times some of us must live in.

as tragic as you may think his life is, it's worse.

Well after reading Friyay's lame comeback .. I quickly realised that fact lol Wink

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Reply #205 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:09pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:59pm:

In Australia, those on the dole are complaining that they can't afford to buy/eat meat.

In other countries, the dole doesn't exist and people don't have anything to eat .. let alone meat.

Food for thought ( pun intended ).

Sharpen your pencil next time you want to make a point... You'll have more success. Otherwise, this topic is not about other nations... it's about Australia... so your point is blunt... as per usual.

I don't use pencils...

Which explains why you never do make a valid point.

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Reply #206 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:13pm

Sappho wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:59pm:

In Australia, those on the dole are complaining that they can't afford to buy/eat meat.

In other countries, the dole doesn't exist and people don't have anything to eat .. let alone meat.

Food for thought ( pun intended ).

Sharpen your pencil next time you want to make a point... You'll have more success. Otherwise, this topic is not about other nations... it's about Australia... so your point is blunt... as per usual.

I don't use pencils...so you can bugger off and give your useless advice to someone else who may be desperate and stupid enough to want it

Which explains why you never do make a valid point.

My Mum always did say that I should never argue with the insane. Right now is the time to take that advice.

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Reply #207 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:15pm

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:50pm:

You got 1 guy - I got everyone else.

Perhaps the huge imbalance is because it's very difficult to obtain high performance without animal protein...or perhaps it's because theres no money in sport, or people just aren't interested in gaining an edge. I think you know which one is correct.

Actually there are quite a few Olympic athletes who are vegetarian or vegan, so if it was that difficult you'd think that they'd take the easier way out. In fact there is a disproportionate number of Olympic athletes in that category.

http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/jul/30/lizzie-armitstea...

Also from the Australian Institute for Sport:
http://www.ausport.gov.au/ais/nutrition/factsheets/special_diets/vegetarian_eati...

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The popularity of vegetarianism in athletes has been fuelled by the success stories of athletes who are world champions and also vegetarians – Dave Scott (vegan and five-times winner of the Hawaiian Ironman Triathlon) Martina Navratilova (tennis and Edwin Moses (Olympic Hurdling Champion). This fact sheet will outline why athletes choose a vegetarian diet, the nutritional issues that vegetarian athletes need to consider and helpful tips for vegetarian athletes striving to maintain health and optimise their performance in training and competition.

Read the section on protein too. It states that all protein needs can be met from vegetable sources.

Now maybe you want to take your Don Quixote act a bit further, but the Australian Institute of Sport is a formidable force to tilt at.

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Reply #208 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:16pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:13pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:09pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:59pm:

In Australia, those on the dole are complaining that they can't afford to buy/eat meat.

In other countries, the dole doesn't exist and people don't have anything to eat .. let alone meat.

Food for thought ( pun intended ).

Sharpen your pencil next time you want to make a point... You'll have more success. Otherwise, this topic is not about other nations... it's about Australia... so your point is blunt... as per usual.

I don't use pencils...so you can bugger off and give your useless advice to someone else who may be desperate and stupid enough to want it

Which explains why you never do make a valid point.

My Mum always did say that I should never argue with the insane. Right now is the time to take that advice.

What ever it takes dumb dumb... The less you engage me, the happier I am.

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Reply #209 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 6:18pm

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:59pm:

Sappho wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 5:39pm:

Lisa Jones wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 2:59pm:

In Australia, those on the dole are complaining that they can't afford to buy/eat meat.

In other countries, the dole doesn't exist and people don't have anything to eat .. let alone meat.

Food for thought ( pun intended ).

Sharpen your pencil next time you want to make a point... You'll have more success. Otherwise, this topic is not about other nations... it's about Australia... so your point is blunt... as per usual.

I don't use pencils... so you can bugger off and give your useless advice to someone else who may be desperate and stupid enough to want it.

Nasty lib voters don't understand that our countries ability to ward off the perils of big city violence depends on a welfare system that provides for market cycles!

Actually, they do and pretend they don't Shocked

Why would they pretend?? To divide and conquer: separating the country/ governed state into two factions, those opposed to unions and those not opposed to unions, makes it easier to ensure government on the stratagem that groupthink will deliver the ample opportunity to get their hooks into the laws that govern legitimate money making ventures and ACCESS TO TAXPAYER DOLLARS!

Economics is a dark art indeed!!

THE FAILURE TO ACCOUNT FOR EXTERNALITIES MAKES PEOPLE EAT DIRT AND WAGE ETERNAL WAR==> WAR IS CONDUCTED IN THE ECONOMIC SPHERE!!

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YEH: GO BEAN COUNTERS- NOTHING GROWS EXPONENTIALLY AND ANTHRAX HAS RENDERED NUCLEAR WEAPONS IMPOTENT? SO, WHERE DO WE GO FROM HERE?????

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