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Reply #240 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:12pm

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:08pm:

Oh I note another link.

http://goodfoodproject.net/home/resources/what-the-experts-say/protein-what-the-...

All I can see on the this one is that protein needs can be met without meat. However, the problem is, that wasn't in dispute.

Your inability to understand that health consists of more than simply protein intake is alarming, to say the least.

Putting words in my mouth now? Grin

White flag accepted my boy.

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Reply #241 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:13pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:12pm:

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:08pm:

Oh I note another link.

http://goodfoodproject.net/home/resources/what-the-experts-say/protein-what-the-...

All I can see on the this one is that protein needs can be met without meat. However, the problem is, that wasn't in dispute.

Your inability to understand that health consists of more than simply protein intake is alarming, to say the least.

Putting words in my mouth now? Grin

White flag accepted my boy.

You posted the link, so why are you disowning it?

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Reply #242 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:13pm

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:11pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:06pm:

Honky wrote Today at 10:03pm:
greggerypeccary wrote Today at 10:01pm:
Honky wrote Today at 9:58pm:
greggerypeccary wrote Today at 9:56pm:
Honky wrote Today at 9:52pm:
You're wrong greg. the statement in question is not.

Incorrect.

The evidence overwhelmingly says otherwise.

Sorry.

Then why haven't you posted any of this evidence?

I have.

Scroll back (don't ask me again, just do it. Not the bodybuilders either ... before that).

The statement is 100% incorrect. Not only is it incorrect, it's extremely naive. Hard to believe that someone in 2013 could actually believe that.

Sorry.

All those links (possibly) proved was that it's possible.

the fact they are such isolated cases lends considerable support to the assertion that it is however, difficult.

Your inability to differentiate between the difficult and the impossible is quite alarming.

Read it one more time, and see if you can spot what it is that you're missing (over and over again).

"It is very difficult to have a consistently healthy diet without animal protein in that diet ".

OK, I'm going to make it easier for you this time:

"It is very difficult to have a consistently healthy diet without animal protein in that diet ".

That better?

Roll Eyes

So how difficult will you accept?

Somewhat difficult?
Quite difficult?
Moderately difficult?
Moderate-high-difficulty?

Quiet the hole you've dug for yourself - You should have stuck to the illegal boat people threads.

No hole.

This statement is incorrect:

"It is very difficult to have a consistently healthy diet without animal protein in that diet ".

Fact.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #243 - Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:16pm Nuh uh.
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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #244 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 6:35am the topic is they are simply too poor to eat meat members, not how to have a nuiticiuos diet. if they are too poor to eat meat they are also too poor to eat vegetarian either. solution needed that doesn't mean they starve to death.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #245 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:32am warrigal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 6:35am: solution needed that doesn't mean they starve to death. Shoot them?
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Reply #246 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:56am

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:00pm:

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It’s worth noting that although a vegetarian diet can provide all essential nutrients to support intense daily training and competition, there are several dietary challenges faced by athletes following a vegetarian diet.

Yes. There are challenges for athletes. They are by no means insurmountable and not even very difficult as evidenced by the increased popularity of vegetarianism among athletes.

So you're saying that because there are challenges for athletes, it's therefore "very difficult" for the rest of us who are not athletes? I don't follow your reasoning. Can you help me understand why it's not an obvious non-sequitur?

Many people who eat meat find it difficult to have a balanced diet and a large number end up with cardiovascular disease as a result.

Tell me this. Does it increase or decrease that risk if you go on a vegetarian diet?

The information I have is that it reduces the risk by 30%.

If you're obsessed by things being difficult, try Googling difficult and sustainable weight loss. People actually find it difficult to keep the weight off once they've lost it. A lot of things are difficult. It's all a question of attitude.

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:32am:

warrigal wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 6:35am:

solution needed that doesn't mean they starve to death.

Shoot them?

I agree. Let's vote on it.

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Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat.
Reply #247 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:13am

muso wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:56am:

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 10:00pm:

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It’s worth noting that although a vegetarian diet can provide all essential nutrients to support intense daily training and competition, there are several dietary challenges faced by athletes following a vegetarian diet.

Yes. There are challenges for athletes. They are by no means insurmountable and not even very difficult as shown by the increased popularilty of vegetarianism among athletes.

So you're saying that it's therefore "very difficult" for the rest of us who are not athletes? I don't follow your logic.

Many people who eat meat find it difficult to have a balanced diet and a large number end up with cardiovascular disease as a result.

Tell me this. Does it increase or decrease that risk if you go on a vegetarian diet?

The information I have is that it reduces the risk by 30%.

OK, I'ma lay out my assertions for you.

1. An optimal diet for humans includes some meat. A vegetarian diet is better than an "anything goes" diet, but because it almost eliminates processed/takeaway food, not meat on the whole.
2. Those foregoing this food group will find it difficult to consistently have a healthy (see point 3) diet.
3. Health consists of more than just a reduced risk of certain ailments - to be healthy, you also need to meet a minimum standard of performance in strength and endurance.
4. What is lost from meat can be made up from other sources, but these each carry their own problems. Interestingly, I see far more propaganda regarding grains than I ever have for meat. We've all seen the 'healthy food pyramid' and even been taught it in school. What is less widely known is that it was devised by kelloggs. Nup, no ulterior motive there. The 'meat propaganda' greggery continually bangs on about is limited to tongue-in-cheek TV ads, taken seriously by noone.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137904 Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #248 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:29am ... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:13am: 2. Those foregoing this food group will find it difficult to consistently have a healthy (see point 3) diet. No, they won't.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #249 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am says who?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137904 Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #250 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:54am ... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am: says who? Those foregoing that food group.
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #251 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:56am greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:54am: ... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am: says who? Those foregoing that food group. What would they know?
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 105459 Melbourne Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #252 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:58am My idea was the best so far: supply meat from feral camels & kangaroos for the poor. The camels are wrecking our outback & the roos are eating grass meant for stock. Camels & roos are in plague proportions while the poor go hungry.
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137904 Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #253 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:58am ... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am: says who? Athletes, for example. http://www.nomeatathlete.com/about/
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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #254 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:58am: ... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am: says who? Athletes, for example. http://www.nomeatathlete.com/about/ Dieticians say otherwise, and it's their business to know.
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