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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137904 Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #255 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am ... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am: says who? Vegetarians and vegans at University, for example. "It’s not hard to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan." http://www.indiana.edu/~vegiu/getting-started.html
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Reply #256 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:05am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

says who?

Vegetarians and vegans at University, for example.

"It’s not hard to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan."

http://www.indiana.edu/~vegiu/getting-started.html

See my previous "it's fine if you're happy being a skinnyfat weed" comment.

But your protests suggest you're not happy with it - so change.

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Reply #257 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:09am

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

says who?

Vegetarians and vegans at University, for example.

"It’s not hard to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan."

http://www.indiana.edu/~vegiu/getting-started.html

See my previous "it's fine if you're happy being a skinnyfat weed" comment.

But your protests suggest you're not happy with it - so change.

I'm not:

a) a weed

b) a vegetarian

c) unhappy

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Reply #258 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:11am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

says who?

Vegetarians and vegans at University, for example.

"It’s not hard to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan."

http://www.indiana.edu/~vegiu/getting-started.html

See my previous "it's fine if you're happy being a skinnyfat weed" comment.

But your protests suggest you're not happy with it - so change.

I'm not:

a) a weed

b) a vegetarian

c) unhappy

Well if you're not a vego, how do you if they find it difficult or not? You were speaking for them a few minutes ago:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Honky wrote Today at 9:51am:
says who?

Those foregoing that food group.

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Reply #259 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:13am

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

says who?

Vegetarians and vegans at University, for example.

"It’s not hard to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan."

http://www.indiana.edu/~vegiu/getting-started.html

See my previous "it's fine if you're happy being a skinnyfat weed" comment.

But your protests suggest you're not happy with it - so change.

I'm not:

a) a weed

b) a vegetarian

c) unhappy

Well if you're not a vego, how do you if they find it difficult or not? You were speaking for them a few minutes ago:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:54am:

Honky wrote Today at 9:51am:
says who?

Those foregoing that food group.

Because I:

a) talk to vegetarians

b) listen to vegetarians

c) was a vegetarian for 18 years

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Reply #260 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:17am

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:11am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:09am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:05am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:51am:

says who?

Vegetarians and vegans at University, for example.

"It’s not hard to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan."

http://www.indiana.edu/~vegiu/getting-started.html

See my previous "it's fine if you're happy being a skinnyfat weed" comment.

But your protests suggest you're not happy with it - so change.

I'm not:

a) a weed

b) a vegetarian

c) unhappy

Well if you're not a vego, how do you if they find it difficult or not? You were speaking for them a few minutes ago:

They can speak for themselves:

"It’s not hard to be a healthy vegetarian or vegan."

[url]http://www.indiana.edu/~vegiu/getting-started.html[/url]

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Reply #261 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:18am

roughly 75% of people who quit eating meat eventually change their minds and return to a diet that includes animal flesh. It seems that for most people, vegetarianism is a phase rather than a permanent change in lifestyle. Why?

Answer: because they found it too difficult to consistently eat a healthy diet

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thirty-five percent of our participants indicated that declining health was the main reason they reverted back to eating flesh.

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Hassles and Social Stigmas. About a quarter of our ex-veggies described the hassles they said were associated with strict vegetarianism. They complained that it was difficult to find high quality organic vegetables in their local supermarkets at a reasonable price. Others began to resent the time it took to prepare meatless dishes, and some said they simply grew tired of the lifestyle.

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A related reason for returning to meat consumption, one mentioned by 15% of our subjects, was that vegetarianism was taking a toll on their social life. The degree that vegetarianism and particularly moral veganism can screw up your day to day existence was nicely summed up in a New York Times op ed by the philosopher Gary Steiner titled, appropriately, "Animal, Vegetable, Miserable." In describing his personal experience with giving up the consumption of animal products, he wrote "What were once the most straightforward activities become a constant ordeal."

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Irresistible Urges. About one in five of our participants had developed an irresistible urge to taste cooked flesh once more. This occurred even among some long-term vegetarians. Participants talked about their protein cravings or how the smell of sizzling bacon would drive them crazy. One, for example, said "I just felt hungry all the time and that hunger would not be satisfied unless I ate meat."

It must be very difficult to overcome those irresistible urges.

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Reply #262 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:22am

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

roughly 75% of people who quit eating meat eventually change their minds and return to a diet that includes animal flesh. It seems that for most people, vegetarianism is a phase rather than a permanent change in lifestyle. Why?

Answer: because they found it too difficult to consistently eat a healthy diet

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thirty-five percent of our participants indicated that declining health was the main reason they reverted back to eating flesh.

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Hassles and Social Stigmas. About a quarter of our ex-veggies described the hassles they said were associated with strict vegetarianism. They complained that it was difficult to find high quality organic vegetables in their local supermarkets at a reasonable price. Others began to resent the time it took to prepare meatless dishes, and some said they simply grew tired of the lifestyle.

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A related reason for returning to meat consumption, one mentioned by 15% of our subjects, was that vegetarianism was taking a toll on their social life. The degree that vegetarianism and particularly moral veganism can screw up your day to day existence was nicely summed up in a New York Times op ed by the philosopher Gary Steiner titled, appropriately, "Animal, Vegetable, Miserable." In describing his personal experience with giving up the consumption of animal products, he wrote "What were once the most straightforward activities become a constant ordeal."

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Irresistible Urges. About one in five of our participants had developed an irresistible urge to taste cooked flesh once more. This occurred even among some long-term vegetarians. Participants talked about their protein cravings or how the smell of sizzling bacon would drive them crazy. One, for example, said "I just felt hungry all the time and that hunger would not be satisfied unless I ate meat."

It must be very difficult to overcome those irresistible urges.

" ... seventy-seven former vegetarians took our survey."

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Reply #263 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:38am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

roughly 75% of people who quit eating meat eventually change their minds and return to a diet that includes animal flesh. It seems that for most people, vegetarianism is a phase rather than a permanent change in lifestyle. Why?

Answer: because they found it too difficult to consistently eat a healthy diet

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thirty-five percent of our participants indicated that declining health was the main reason they reverted back to eating flesh.

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Hassles and Social Stigmas. About a quarter of our ex-veggies described the hassles they said were associated with strict vegetarianism. They complained that it was difficult to find high quality organic vegetables in their local supermarkets at a reasonable price. Others began to resent the time it took to prepare meatless dishes, and some said they simply grew tired of the lifestyle.

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A related reason for returning to meat consumption, one mentioned by 15% of our subjects, was that vegetarianism was taking a toll on their social life. The degree that vegetarianism and particularly moral veganism can screw up your day to day existence was nicely summed up in a New York Times op ed by the philosopher Gary Steiner titled, appropriately, "Animal, Vegetable, Miserable." In describing his personal experience with giving up the consumption of animal products, he wrote "What were once the most straightforward activities become a constant ordeal."

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Irresistible Urges. About one in five of our participants had developed an irresistible urge to taste cooked flesh once more. This occurred even among some long-term vegetarians. Participants talked about their protein cravings or how the smell of sizzling bacon would drive them crazy. One, for example, said "I just felt hungry all the time and that hunger would not be satisfied unless I ate meat."

It must be very difficult to overcome those irresistible urges.

" ... seventy-seven former vegetarians took our survey."

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thats 75 more than wrote your link

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Reply #264 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:49am

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:18am:

roughly 75% of people who quit eating meat eventually change their minds and return to a diet that includes animal flesh. It seems that for most people, vegetarianism is a phase rather than a permanent change in lifestyle. Why?

Answer: because they found it too difficult to consistently eat a healthy diet

Quote:

thirty-five percent of our participants indicated that declining health was the main reason they reverted back to eating flesh.

Quote:

Hassles and Social Stigmas. About a quarter of our ex-veggies described the hassles they said were associated with strict vegetarianism. They complained that it was difficult to find high quality organic vegetables in their local supermarkets at a reasonable price. Others began to resent the time it took to prepare meatless dishes, and some said they simply grew tired of the lifestyle.

Quote:

A related reason for returning to meat consumption, one mentioned by 15% of our subjects, was that vegetarianism was taking a toll on their social life. The degree that vegetarianism and particularly moral veganism can screw up your day to day existence was nicely summed up in a New York Times op ed by the philosopher Gary Steiner titled, appropriately, "Animal, Vegetable, Miserable." In describing his personal experience with giving up the consumption of animal products, he wrote "What were once the most straightforward activities become a constant ordeal."

Quote:

Irresistible Urges. About one in five of our participants had developed an irresistible urge to taste cooked flesh once more. This occurred even among some long-term vegetarians. Participants talked about their protein cravings or how the smell of sizzling bacon would drive them crazy. One, for example, said "I just felt hungry all the time and that hunger would not be satisfied unless I ate meat."

It must be very difficult to overcome those irresistible urges.

" ... seventy-seven former vegetarians took our survey."

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thats 75 more than wrote your link

Yes, but I posted several links.

Scroll back and take a look,

Here's 9 more to keep you going:

http://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/photos/9-superstar-athletes-who-dont-eat-...

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137904 Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #265 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:52am And it just goes on, and on ... " ... more current and former professional athletes than you would think have given up animal proteins and turned to a variety of alternative veggie-based diets instead." http://www.huffingtonpost.com/the-daily-meal/10-vegetarian-athletes_b_862738.htm...
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137904 Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #266 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:58am And on ... " ... yet again, vegetarians continue to rise to the very top of their sports. She follows a long line of Olympians who have managed to excel without "eating corpses", as she herself puts it." http://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/wordofmouth/2012/jul/30/lizzie-armitstea...
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Reply #267 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 11:39am

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

Dieticians say otherwise, and it's their business to know.

Do they? Really?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12826028

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Abstract

It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Approximately 2.5% of adults in the United States and 4% of adults in Canada follow vegetarian diets. A vegetarian diet is defined as one that does not include meat, fish, or fowl. Interest in vegetarianism appears to be increasing, with many restaurants and college foodservices offering vegetarian meals routinely. Substantial growth in sales of foods attractive to vegetarians has occurred and these foods appear in many supermarkets.

Dietitians Association of Australia

http://daa.asn.au/for-the-public/smart-eating-for-you/nutrition-a-z/vegetarian-d...

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A vegetarian diet can be healthy as many plant foods are low in saturated fat and high in dietary fibre. However, a healthy vegetarian diet requires careful planning to make sure it is well balanced and includes a wide variety of foods to meet nutritional needs.

Nothing different to what I've been saying all along.

More dietitians, this time on those weird Vegans:

http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/082510p20.shtml

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Defending Vegan Diets — RDs Aim to Clear Up Common Misconceptions About Vegan Diets
By Densie Webb, PhD, RD
Today’s Dietitian
Vol. 12 No. 9 P. 20

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The position of the American Dietetic Association is that appropriately planned vegan diets are healthful and nutritionally adequate and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.2 But among both the general public and professionals, many questions and misconceptions linger regarding what it means to be a vegan. Today’s Dietitian reached out to RDs (and some vegan RDs) to help shed light on these questions and clear up common misconceptions.

Blown out of the water? Just a tad.

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Reply #269 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 11:59am

muso wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 11:39am:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:02am:

Dieticians say otherwise, and it's their business to know.

Do they? Really?

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12826028

Quote:

Abstract

It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Approximately 2.5% of adults in the United States and 4% of adults in Canada follow vegetarian diets. A vegetarian diet is defined as one that does not include meat, fish, or fowl. Interest in vegetarianism appears to be increasing, with many restaurants and college foodservices offering vegetarian meals routinely. Substantial growth in sales of foods attractive to vegetarians has occurred and these foods appear in many supermarkets.

Dietitians Association of Australia

http://daa.asn.au/for-the-public/smart-eating-for-you/nutrition-a-z/vegetarian-d...

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A vegetarian diet can be healthy as many plant foods are low in saturated fat and high in dietary fibre. However, a healthy vegetarian diet requires careful planning to make sure it is well balanced and includes a wide variety of foods to meet nutritional needs.

Nothing different to what I've been saying all along.

More dietitians, this time on those weird Vegans:

http://www.todaysdietitian.com/newarchives/082510p20.shtml

Quote:

Defending Vegan Diets — RDs Aim to Clear Up Common Misconceptions About Vegan Diets
By Densie Webb, PhD, RD
Today’s Dietitian
Vol. 12 No. 9 P. 20

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The position of the American Dietetic Association is that appropriately planned vegan diets are healthful and nutritionally adequate and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.2 But among both the general public and professionals, many questions and misconceptions linger regarding what it means to be a vegan. Today’s Dietitian reached out to RDs (and some vegan RDs) to help shed light on these questions and clear up common misconceptions.

Blown out of the water? Just a tad.

Could you point me to the part where they talk about the difficulty involved? that's probably the reason why they say 'appropriately planned' whaddya reckon?

Sooo uh...was there some other point you wanted to make? If not, I'll just once again remind you of the difference between the impossible and the difficult.

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