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Reply #288 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

"Vegetarians have lower rates of heart disease and some forms of cancer than non-vegetarians."

Hmmm, that sounds so unhealthy.

http://brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/nutrition_&_e...

Yep, I bet they do. Refer to points 1 & 3 of my assertions on reply #247.

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Reply #289 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:03pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"Among a group of 70,000 participants, researchers determined that vegetarians had a 12% lower risk of death compared with nonvegetarians."

http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/04/vegetarians-may-live-longer/

"Lower risk of death"? Being alive sounds a lot healthier than being dead.

refer point 1 on reply #247.

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Reply #290 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:10pm

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 12:58pm:

"Vegetarians have lower rates of heart disease and some forms of cancer than non-vegetarians."

Hmmm, that sounds so unhealthy.

http://brown.edu/Student_Services/Health_Services/Health_Education/nutrition_&_e...

Yep, I bet they do. Refer to points 1 & 3 of my assertions on reply #247.

Exactly. Merely your assertions.

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Reply #291 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:13pm

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"Among a group of 70,000 participants, researchers determined that vegetarians had a 12% lower risk of death compared with nonvegetarians."

http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/04/vegetarians-may-live-longer/

"Lower risk of death"? Being alive sounds a lot healthier than being dead.

refer point 1 on reply #247.

"1. An optimal diet for humans includes some meat. "

Nope.

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Reply #292 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:21pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"Among a group of 70,000 participants, researchers determined that vegetarians had a 12% lower risk of death compared with nonvegetarians."

http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/04/vegetarians-may-live-longer/

"Lower risk of death"? Being alive sounds a lot healthier than being dead.

refer point 1 on reply #247.

"1. An optimal diet for humans includes some meat. "

Nope.

'Fraid so.

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Reply #293 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:29pm

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"Among a group of 70,000 participants, researchers determined that vegetarians had a 12% lower risk of death compared with nonvegetarians."

http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/04/vegetarians-may-live-longer/

"Lower risk of death"? Being alive sounds a lot healthier than being dead.

refer point 1 on reply #247.

"1. An optimal diet for humans includes some meat. "

Nope.

'Fraid so.

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Reply #294 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:39pm

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 12:42pm:

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 12:38pm:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 12:33pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 12:29pm:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

Could you point me to the part where they talk about the difficulty involved? that's probably the reason why they say 'appropriately planned' whaddya reckon?

Sooo uh...was there some other point you wanted to make? If not, I'll just once again remind you of the difference between the impossible and the difficult.

Planning isn't "very difficult".

"It is very difficult to have a consistently healthy diet without animal protein in that diet ". Undecided

No. No it is not.

It is if you don't have the expertise to plan correctly....which nearly everyone thinks they do, but really don't.

Some people even think doctors are a good source of dietary advice - canya believe it?

Ppl that eat only meat and no vegetables arent healthy. Anyone can be a poor planner no matter what they eat.

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While I wouldn't recommend it, it's not necessarily true:

The Inuit ParadoxHow can people who gorge on fat and rarely see a vegetable be healthier than we are?

Well the 2 ppl i knew that only ate meat and no veggies werent healthy. They have vitamin deficiencies.

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Reply #295 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:46pm

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"Among a group of 70,000 participants, researchers determined that vegetarians had a 12% lower risk of death compared with nonvegetarians."

http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/04/vegetarians-may-live-longer/

"Lower risk of death"? Being alive sounds a lot healthier than being dead.

refer point 1 on reply #247.

"1. An optimal diet for humans includes some meat. "

Nope.

'Fraid so.

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... Gold Member Offline Posts: 23673 WA Gender:	Re: They Are Simply Too Poor To Eat Meat. Reply #296 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:47pm Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:39pm: Well the 2 ppl i knew that only ate meat and no veggies werent healthy. They have vitamin deficiencies. No doubt.
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Reply #297 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:49pm

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:46pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:29pm:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:21pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:02pm:

"Among a group of 70,000 participants, researchers determined that vegetarians had a 12% lower risk of death compared with nonvegetarians."

http://healthland.time.com/2013/06/04/vegetarians-may-live-longer/

"Lower risk of death"? Being alive sounds a lot healthier than being dead.

refer point 1 on reply #247.

"1. An optimal diet for humans includes some meat. "

Nope.

'Fraid so.

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs44/300W/i/2009/065/3/8/A_Frayed_knot_by_Itsmerick.j...

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Reply #298 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:50pm

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 11:59am:

Could you point me to the part where they talk about the difficulty involved? that's probably the reason why they say 'appropriately planned' whaddya reckon?

Sooo uh...was there some other point you wanted to make? If not, I'll just once again remind you of the difference between the impossible and the difficult.

Clutching at straws there. To plan something appropriately does not imply "very difficult" or even difficult.

Once again:
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It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

That statement (from an association of dieticians) doesn't gel with your remark:

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"It is very difficult to have a consistently healthy diet without animal protein in that diet ".

You could argue that a vegetarian diet can include certain animal proteins, but they say exactly the same about a vegan diet.

You could say the same thing about people who eat meat. Too much meat can lead to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease. This is well documented.

So you could equally state that an appropriately planned diet including moderate amounts of lean meat can reduce the risk of heart disease. Here "appropriately planned" does not mean difficult.

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Reply #299 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:58pm

muso wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Honky wrote Today at 11:59am:
Could you point me to the part where they talk about the difficulty involved? that's probably the reason why they say 'appropriately planned' whaddya reckon?

Sooo uh...was there some other point you wanted to make? If not, I'll just once again remind you of the difference between the impossible and the difficult.

Clutching at straws there. To plan something appropriately does not imply "very difficult" or even difficult.

Once again:
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It is the position of the American Dietetic Association and Dietitians of Canada that appropriately planned vegetarian diets are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases.

That statement (from an association of dieticians) doesn't gel with your remark:

Quote:
"It is very difficult to have a consistently healthy diet without animal protein in that diet ".

You could argue that a vegetarian diet can include certain animal proteins, but they say exactly the same about a vegan diet.

You could say the same thing about people who eat meat. Too much meat can lead to an increased risk of cardiovascular disease. This is well documented.

So you could equally state that an appropriately planned diet including moderate amounts of lean meat can reduce the risk of heart disease. Here "appropriately planned" does not mean difficult.

there is no contradiction or connection between your quotes and my assertions.

But if you disagree, please state the number of the assertion that it contradicts. I think you'll find it's in full agreeance with #4.

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