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Reply #60 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:47pm
 
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
What are your thoughts, on the Economic Basics, Stryder?



Well were do you like start perceptions.

debt ? economic growth ? unemployment ? take your pick


Well, they can all be looked at separately, BUT they are also all connected, so take your pick, one at at time or  the combination
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Reply #61 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:49pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:47pm:
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
What are your thoughts, on the Economic Basics, Stryder?



Well were do you like start perceptions.

debt ? economic growth ? unemployment ? take your pick


Well, they can all be looked at separately, BUT they are also all connected, so take your pick, one at at time or  the combination.


Don't feel "left" out Maqqa, IF you have a sensible contribution, instead of just SPIN, then join in?
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Re: Is Debt Out Of Control In Australia.
Reply #62 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:51pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:47pm:
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
What are your thoughts, on the Economic Basics, Stryder?



Well were do you like start perceptions.

debt ? economic growth ? unemployment ? take your pick


Well, they can all be looked at separately, BUT they are also all connected, so take your pick, one at at time or  the combination



I dont have your varied knowledge on Economics, Im just a simpleton when it comes to it.

I dont think i can provide you with a satisfying challenge,  Smiley
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Re: Is Debt Out Of Control In Australia.
Reply #63 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:52pm
 
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:51pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:47pm:
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
What are your thoughts, on the Economic Basics, Stryder?



Well were do you like start perceptions.

debt ? economic growth ? unemployment ? take your pick


Well, they can all be looked at separately, BUT they are also all connected, so take your pick, one at at time or  the combination



I dont have your varied knowledge on Economics, Im just a simpleton when it comes to it.

I dont think i can provide you with a satisfying challenge,  Smiley


Simpleton is more than enough to successfully challenge PN on economics
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Reply #64 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:53pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:49pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:47pm:
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
What are your thoughts, on the Economic Basics, Stryder?



Well were do you like start perceptions.

debt ? economic growth ? unemployment ? take your pick


Well, they can all be looked at separately, BUT they are also all connected, so take your pick, one at at time or  the combination.


Don't feel "left" out Maqqa, IF yu have a sensible contribution, instead of just SPIN, then join in?


You can't even get the concept of how a carbon tax increase prices so how can you even discuss anything else
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Reply #65 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:57pm
 
All of this debt does not negate the working cless struggle for better wages and conditions and elimination of private ownership of the means of production comrades... ...
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Reply #66 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:03pm
 
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:51pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:47pm:
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
What are your thoughts, on the Economic Basics, Stryder?



Well were do you like start perceptions.

debt ? economic growth ? unemployment ? take your pick


Well, they can all be looked at separately, BUT they are also all connected, so take your pick, one at at time or  the combination



I dont have your varied knowledge on Economics, Im just a simpleton when it comes to it.

I dont think i can provide you with a satisfying challenge,  Smiley


This is not about the challenge, we are ALL in this, up to our eyeballs, so everyone is entitled to their input and it could just produce the X factors that may be missing!

I am simply of the opinion that I have identified some unique issues, which are impacting us & need to be addressed.

Unlike a few others here, who  should remain un-named (like Longy & Maqqa), who think they "know it all", I do not & I am happy if many others enter the discussion & impart their own opinions! 

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Reply #67 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:07pm
 
The liberals have stated there case that since government revenues are falling that we need to look at what we are spending and make some serious cuts
Labor on the other hand dont think so, they think whatever debt we are piling, we can handle it, lets keep spending like a teenager with gold credit card.

Whos right, whos wrong ???? Perceptions
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Reply #68 - Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:19pm
 
I think we are just finding out how deluded by plenty the rhetoric of economics has become through all those fat years. I was always sympathetic to the men of the generations that believed that if you weren't actually making something useful, you were irrelevant baggage on society. How ugly the final days will be when all middle management that exists simply to justify their own exsistence for so long, finally have to come to terms that they are nothing more than parasites who will spend their remaining days toiling in factories and fields to pay back society for all they have grafted from it.  Wink
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Reply #69 - Aug 19th, 2013 at 11:17am
 
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 8:07pm:
The liberals have stated there case that since government revenues are falling that we need to look at what we are spending and make some serious cuts
Labor on the other hand dont think so, they think whatever debt we are piling, we can handle it, lets keep spending like a teenager with gold credit card.

Whos right, whos wrong ???? Perceptions


Sorry, for the delay in responding!

Things aren't quite that straight forward, BUT in the past both arguments have been correct, given the right point in the Economic cycle and IF the timing was correct then both/either would have had a fair chance of the Economy responding in the desired way!

However, for most of the duration of the modern Economic era both types of Economic theories (Austrian & Keynesian) have always had favorable Economic conditions, as far as the major drivers were concerned.

THOSE ECONOMIC DRIVERS BEING DEMOGRAPHICS, ENERGY, TECHNOLOGY & A GOLDILOCKS CLIMATE, WITH A NET RESULT BEING THAT DEMAND STEADILY INCREASED & ACTED AS A BACKDROP, WHICH WOULD EVENTUALLY GET THE ECONOMY BACK ON GROWTH, NO MATTER WHAT THE POLITICIANS, ECONOMISTS & CENTRAL BANKERS DID OR DID NOT DO! .   

So eventually, at most times during the modern Economic era, the Politicians (both Labor or Liberal) could claim they had been RIGHT and their policies had been proven successful.


IN TRUTH, ON MOST OCCASIONS, IT WAS SIMPLE THE FAVORABLE MACRO ECONOMIC CONDITIONS REASSERTING THEIR INFLUENCE, WHICH EVENTUALLY GOT GROWTH GOING AGAIN!

Now, those favorable Macro Economic conditions have leveled off and at least 3 of them are about to go into reverse.

So, what was true, is no longer true AND WE WILL NOW FIND THAT NEITHER THE LIBERAL OR THE LABOR BASIC THEORIES WILL RETURN ECONOMIC GROWTH & THEREFORE THE STATUS QUO, "TO NORMAL", AS THOSE SAME MACRO ECONOMIC DRIVERS WILL PREVENT DEMAND FROM RETURNING, NO MATTER WHAT ACTIONS ARE TAKEN.

So, at this point in time, BOTH LABOR & LIBERAL ARE WRONG!


It is very likely, that in the short to medium term, we (Locally & Globally) will find the going pretty tough, BUT IF the pain is shared fairly by all, then the Economy MAY recover, BUT it will take a considerable amount of time!

However, IF the usual suspects try to get better outcomes for themselves & their own "constituents" & there is no similar Global actions, particularly to raise Productivity, THEN ANY RECOVERY WILL BE A LOT LONGER IN COMING, IF INDEED IT DOES ARRIVE!

Not very nice reading, I know, BUT SOMETIMES REALITY JUST ISN'T PLEASANT, AS I'M SURE MANY OF THOSE WHO WENT THRU THE GREAT DEPRESSION WOULD AGREE!

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Reply #70 - Aug 19th, 2013 at 6:29pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:52pm:
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:51pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:47pm:
stryder wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 18th, 2013 at 7:18pm:
What are your thoughts, on the Economic Basics, Stryder?



Well were do you like start perceptions.

debt ? economic growth ? unemployment ? take your pick


Well, they can all be looked at separately, BUT they are also all connected, so take your pick, one at at time or  the combination



I dont have your varied knowledge on Economics, Im just a simpleton when it comes to it.

I dont think i can provide you with a satisfying challenge,  Smiley


Simpleton is more than enough to successfully challenge PN on economics



Then, YOU & LONGY, MUST BE LESS THAN SIMPLETON'S, BECAUSE NEITHER OF YOU HAVE EVER GOT CLOSE TO MAKING ANY ECONOMIC SENSE!

PERHAPS, BECAUSE YOU BOTH OF YOU HAVE NFI, WHEN IT COMES TO MATTERS ECONOMIC! 
 
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Reply #71 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:29am
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 8:03pm:
You need to understand idiotic lefty logic here, the idiot lefty looks at his neighbour who owns his own house and has no debt and thinks what a fool, why don't you borrow money on your credit card and spend it all on useless sh#t that you don't need.  Grin




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Reply #72 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:58am
 
Poll added, self-explanatory...
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Reply #73 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:00am
 
# wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
Maqqa wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 3:19pm:
Debt under LIBs = ZERO

Debt under ALP = $300B

GFC


It ended years ago. Why not blame the Great Depression too???  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes
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Reply #74 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 10:10am
 
Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:00am:
# wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 3:21pm:
Maqqa wrote on Aug 17th, 2013 at 3:19pm:
Debt under LIBs = ZERO

Debt under ALP = $300B

GFC


It ended years ago. Why not blame the Great Depression too???  Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes


Which goes to explain your understanding of what is going on, in Local & Global Economics or more correctly, YOUR LACK OF UNDERSTANDING.

We have not exited the GFC!

In fact, we are far from exiting the GFC, it still has a long way to run! 

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