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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #120 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 2:00am greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 11:29pm: Soren wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 9:54pm: She's cute.
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Reply #121 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 6:46pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 5:28pm:

Baronvonrort wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:48pm:

So where is the verse in the Quran that says rape is haram, please cite it for us.

Islamic law comes from two sources - the quran and the hadith.

In the case of rape, the quran gives the generalised proscription for the respect and equality of women. The specific outlawing of rape is found in the hadith of Abu Dawud Book 38, Number 4366:

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Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr:

When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her.

She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me. And when a company of the Emigrants came by, she said: That man did such and such to me. They went and seized the man whom they thought had had intercourse with her and brought him to her.

She said: Yes, this is he. Then they brought him to the Apostle of Allah (peace_be_upon_him).

When he (the Prophet) was about to pass sentence, the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: Apostle of Allah, I am the man who did it to her.

He (the Prophet) said to her: Go away, for Allah has forgiven you. But he told the man some good words (AbuDawud said: meaning the man who was seized), and of the man who had had intercourse with her, he said: Stone him to death.

He also said: He has repented to such an extent that if the people of Medina had repented similarly, it would have been accepted from them.

So what about the shia who reject Abu Dawud, do you have any other hadeeth you could try and pass off as outlawing rape that all muslims follow?

So what chance would a woman have in getting someone convicted for zina (illegal intercourse with consent) would it be zip zilch bugger all?

The word of a woman is less than half the word of a man so how can a man be convicted of zina on the word of 1 woman?
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The prophet said-Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half of that of a man?
The woman said- yes
The prophet said-this is because of the deficiency of a woman's mind.

www.sunnah.com/bukhari/52/22

There are only 4 ways someone can be convicted for zina and in your hadith the only reason he was stoned to death was because he confessed to zina, if he denied it there is no way he would have been stoned to death on the word of 1 woman.
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The scholars have listed the ways of establishing proof of zina,and there are 4 ways.
1. Testimoney of witnesses.
2. Admission of the parties concerned
3. Pregnancy of a woman who has no husband or master
4. If the husband engages in li'aan and the wife refuses to take part in li'aan.
Sheikh Munajid quotes from the Quran and hadith.
www.islamqa.com/en/88051

As we see in the UAE today under sharia law, a woman gets jailed for reporting rape if she does not have 4 male witnesses who saw the penis enter the vagina.
Google UAE (or Dubai) rape victim jailed and read about all those western women who were jailed for reporting being raped without 4 witnesses.

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\|dev\|null Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4434 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #122 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 12:29pm Soren wrote on Aug 17^th, 2013 at 11:40pm: halal is sharia. boycott it if you think killing animals slowly and painfully is barbaric. Funny why don't we see calls to boycott Kosher? Oh, thats right, only Islamophobia is allowed here...
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Reply #123 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:05pm

You can have as much halal meat as you like. But to make halal the only type of meat available in places like schools, colleges, hospitals, workplace canteens for the sake of a minority is what should be stopped.

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Three-quarters of schools under Waltham Forest Council control serve only Halal meat, the Guardian can reveal.

A total of 46 schools and academies supported by the local authority order only Halal meat from Waltham Forest Catering, their supplier.

Just one school serves both Halal and non-Halal meat and 15 serve meat from animals slaughtered using ‘standard’ methods, a Guardian enquiry has discovered.

The news comes after a row erupted at Larkswood Primary School in New Road, Chingford, last month when parents were informed meat served there would be replaced by food prepared according to the rituals of Islam from mid-April.

Parents said they had no issue with Muslim children practicing their faith and eating Halal meat but did not want these religious beliefs imposed on their own sons and daughters.

A council spokesman said: “All meat provided to local schools is certified by the Halal Food Authority. HFA certified meat is from animals that are stunned prior to slaughter.”

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #124 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm Its a non issue, Halal is as humane as non Halal and your stomach cant tell the difference
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #125 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:13pm ian wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm: Its a non issue, Halal is as humane as non Halal and your stomach cant tell the difference Indeed. Soren, what exactly is the problem if halal is the only option?
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #126 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:21pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:13pm: ian wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm: Its a non issue, Halal is as humane as non Halal and your stomach cant tell the difference Indeed. Soren, what exactly is the problem if halal is the only option? Well, why insist on halal, then?
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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #127 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:24pm I don't quite follow...
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #128 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:46pm polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:13pm: ian wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm: Its a non issue, Halal is as humane as non Halal and your stomach cant tell the difference Indeed. Soren, what exactly is the problem if halal is the only option? what exactly is the problem if halal is not an option?
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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #129 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:55pm

Soren wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:46pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:13pm:

ian wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm:

Its a non issue, Halal is as humane as non Halal and your stomach cant tell the difference

Indeed. Soren, what exactly is the problem if halal is the only option?

what exactly is the problem if halal is not an option?

Ok, you go into a restaurant. The restaurant is in Collingwood and only serves meat pies. Thats ok for most of the diners because they like meat pies fine, but you come from Sydney and wish to eat something else. Whats the problem?

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #130 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 4:32pm Soren wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:46pm: what exactly is the problem if halal is not an option? Because muslims can't eat it. I realise thats a positive in your book, but if its the same meat, same choices - just with a tiny 'halal' sticker on it, how does that affect non-muslim consumers? Win-win for everyone.
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Reply #131 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 4:35pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 4:32pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:46pm:

what exactly is the problem if halal is not an option?

Because muslims can't eat it. I realise thats a positive in your book, but if its the same meat, same choices - just with a tiny 'halal' sticker on it, how does that affect non-muslim consumers? Win-win for everyone.

Why can't they eat it. It's the same meat with or without the ritual or the sticker. I hate silliness creeping into broader society.

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Reply #132 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 5:29pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:13pm:

ian wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm:

Its a non issue, Halal is as humane as non Halal and your stomach cant tell the difference

Indeed. Soren, what exactly is the problem if halal is the only option?

If all the meat is halal then muslims will control the meat industry,if they are doing it properly they are not allowed to employ non muslims.

Allah does allow muslims to eat non halal meat if the choice is that or nothing.

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Baronvonrort Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 18533 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #133 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 5:46pm Punchbowl KFC, Take note of the sign on fridge door that says not halal, they dont serve bacon and cheese zingers there.
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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #134 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 6:15pm

Baronvonrort wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 5:29pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 3:13pm:

ian wrote on Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:22pm:

Its a non issue, Halal is as humane as non Halal and your stomach cant tell the difference

Indeed. Soren, what exactly is the problem if halal is the only option?

If all the meat is halal then muslims will control the meat industry,if they are doing it properly they are not allowed to employ non muslims.

Allah does allow muslims to eat non halal meat if the choice is that or nothing.

How do you know they don't employ non muslims?

The main job of the muslim slaughter men is to slaughter the animal, or other aspects of the abboitor, the shipping, processing, final product is supervised and run by non muslims.

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