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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #180 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 11:11am Kosher meat is halal. Should it be banned?
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Reply #181 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 12:20pm

Soren wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Halal to you is not about taste, it is about submission to Islam. But others do not want to partake in any ritual submission to Islam, no matter how it tastes. Others want top avoid even the appearance to ritual submission to Islam, no matter how indistinguishable the flavour is.
Halal is about submission, not culinary difference.

Ah I see it now - having halal meat is a grand conspiracy to make everyone muslim by stealth. Grin

Do you have any inkling of how insane you sound?

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #182 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 12:54pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 8:43am:

FD your concern is only valid if we are talking about legislating for compulsory halal - which we are not.

If there is demand for halal meat such that it becomes the only source of meat, then thats the way the market works. It won't be as a result of anyone forcing anything on anyone.

So discrimination is only a concern if it is forced upon us by government?

If people started demanding "tolerance food" made only by people who utter "Muhammed was a warmongering pedophile" every morning tea at work, you would be happy with that?

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Reply #183 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 2:43pm

freediver wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 12:54pm:

If people started demanding "tolerance food" made only by people who utter "Muhammed was a warmongering pedophile" every morning tea at work, you would be happy with that?

No. And no one "demanded" that meat slaughtered while uttering the outrageous phrase "in the name of God" be served. Muslims took it upon themselves to work with the meat industry to see what could be done to provide the muslim community with halal meat. The meat industry - understanding the market potential - were happy to get the ball rolling. This was back in the 70s FD - interesting that this has been going on for the best part of 4 decades with not even a whimper of protest. Meanwhile, halal has become mainstream - you'd be hard pressed to find any chicken products at Woolworths that are not halal; Oportos, Nandos, heaps of other fast food chicken places are halal. KFC uses halal meat, but the seasoning they use is not halal. You won't find any Indian restaurant that doesn't use halal meat. Does all this threaten you FD?

The point is, what started off as a low key enterprise from a tiny muslim community to provide meat for their community, has blossomed into a large-scale national industry. Why do you think KFC use halal meat, but end up not even having a halal product? Because it makes no difference to the industry whether or not its halal. Are you aware of any meat-industry personnel being discriminated against as a result of this? I can't see why - current standard non-halal slaughter consists of an automated bolt going through the heads of cattle and sheep, and an automated saw to cut the throats of chickens. My guess would be that you would need more personnel, not less as the level of automation is reduced for halal slaughter. Longer term, the halal industry will contribute more to the economy through exports, especially if the live-export trade is eventually abolished.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #184 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:27pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 12:20pm:

Soren wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 9:48am:

Halal to you is not about taste, it is about submission to Islam. But others do not want to partake in any ritual submission to Islam, no matter how it tastes. Others want top avoid even the appearance to ritual submission to Islam, no matter how indistinguishable the flavour is.
Halal is about submission, not culinary difference.

Ah I see it now - having halal meat is a grand conspiracy to make everyone muslim by stealth. Grin

Do you have any inkling of how insane you sound?

The old boy's just trying to promote his own range of smallgoods - in particular, his own brand of pickled stool.

Don't hawk your wares here, old boy. We know what you're up to.

Yes friends, he's trying to corner the halal-free market.

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moses Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6353	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #185 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:45pm What about an Australian Terry Jones praying to remove the satanic islamic curse from the meat?
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Karnal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 95930 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #186 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:13pm moses wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:45pm: What about an Australian Terry Jones praying to remove the satanic islamic curse from the meat? What about the old boy's Lutheran bedfellows, praying to remove the curse from the curdled milk? Actually, I hear camel urine's good for that - one of its many benefits.
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Reply #187 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:22pm

True Colours wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Kosher meat is halal. Should it be banned?

That legal matter may need to be tackled by the new Jewish court set up in Victoria just for the Jewish community.

Apparently Australian laws are insufficient for the Jewish population in Victoria. Rabbinical and Australian laws must be combined to sort out legal matters arising within the Jewish community.

Outcomes kept secret of course.

Perhaps a sharia law court is next on the horizon in Victoria?

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Brian Ross Gold Member Offline Representative of me Posts: 41954	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #188 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:33pm moses wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:45pm: What about an Australian Terry Jones praying to remove the satanic islamic curse from the meat? Volunteering, Moses? What curse has been placed on the meat?
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Reply #189 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:35pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Kosher meat is halal. Should it be banned?

That legal matter may need to be tackled by the new Jewish court set up in Victoria just for the Jewish community.

Apparently Australian laws are insufficient for the Jewish population in Victoria. Rabbinical and Australian laws must be combined to sort out legal matters arising within the Jewish community.

Outcomes kept secret of course.

Perhaps a sharia law court is next on the horizon in Victoria?

If the people who want to be judged by either Rabbinical or a Sh'ria court enter into that judgement of their own free will, what does it matter to you or anybody else?

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Reply #190 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:01pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:35pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Kosher meat is halal. Should it be banned?

That legal matter may need to be tackled by the new Jewish court set up in Victoria just for the Jewish community.

Apparently Australian laws are insufficient for the Jewish population in Victoria. Rabbinical and Australian laws must be combined to sort out legal matters arising within the Jewish community.

Outcomes kept secret of course.

Perhaps a sharia law court is next on the horizon in Victoria?

If the people who want to be judged by either Rabbinical or a Sh'ria court enter into that judgement of their own free will, what does it matter to you or anybody else?

Actually it doesn't worry me in the slightest.

Just doesnt fit in with the continual criticism certain ethnic groups receive in relation to assimilating into australan society.

Would you say the Jewish community receives equal attention in this area as other ethnic groups? Especially recently arrived ethnic groups and specifically targeted groups such as the Muslim communities?

How many different legal systems do think we should have in this country?

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #191 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:07pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:01pm:

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:35pm:

Chimp_Logic wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 5:22pm:

True Colours wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 11:11am:

Kosher meat is halal. Should it be banned?

That legal matter may need to be tackled by the new Jewish court set up in Victoria just for the Jewish community.

Apparently Australian laws are insufficient for the Jewish population in Victoria. Rabbinical and Australian laws must be combined to sort out legal matters arising within the Jewish community.

Outcomes kept secret of course.

Perhaps a sharia law court is next on the horizon in Victoria?

If the people who want to be judged by either Rabbinical or a Sh'ria court enter into that judgement of their own free will, what does it matter to you or anybody else?

Actually it doesn't worry me in the slightest.

Just doesnt fit in with the continual criticism certain ethnic groups receive in relation to assimilating into australan society.

Would you say the Jewish community receives equal attention in this area as other ethnic groups? Especially recently arrived ethnic groups and specifically targeted groups such as the Muslim communities?

How many different legal systems do think we should have in this country?

We have one. Tell me, if two [insert ethnic group who are the hated ones de jour] enter into a civil contract to accept the judgement of a third, does that constitute a "ethnic" or "religious" court?

Our national legal system, based upon English Common Law and Australian legislation and jurisprudence and precedence still holds sway no matter what two or more people may decide between themselves over civil issues, no matter who they are but it can only intervene if one of the complainants refuses to accept that decision. If they all accept it, then it is a civil matter between themselves.

In essence there is no difference between religious courts and the arbitration that occurs outside the courtroom in other civil cases.

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Reply #192 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:32pm

moses wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

What about an Australian Terry Jones praying to remove the satanic islamic curse from the meat?

moses,

That is an excellent suggestion.

I suggest that persons who intend to buy meat, should pray in front of the meat displays in Coles/Woolworths/butchers/etc.

And when anyone asks what they are doing, reply;

"I am praying to God, [that if this meat has been halal killed] for God to remove the SATANIC ISLAMIC curse on this meat, before i buy and consume it."

We need to differentiate ourselves [in our hearts], before God, from those who are infidels, abominators, and kafir.

What is within our heart, God feels it.

Psalms 28:3
Draw me not away with the wicked, and with the workers of iniquity, which speak peace to their neighbours, but mischief is in their hearts.

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Reply #193 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:37pm

Brian Ross wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 6:33pm:

moses wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

What about an Australian Terry Jones praying to remove the satanic islamic curse from the meat?

Volunteering, Moses?

What curse has been placed on the meat? Roll Eyes

Brian_Ross,

ISLAM

, ....is a curse, which is upon all of mankind. [......i blame the disobedience of the Jewish nation, for this curse.]

If you cannot see that, then you are [spiritually] blind.

Look up 'the Song of Moses'.i

"........a curse, which is upon all of mankind."

THE RELIGION OF PEACE

http://thereligionofpeace.com/

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31

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Yadda Gold Member Offline Posts: 21786 A cat with a view	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #194 - Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:52pm Yadda wrote on Sep 6^th, 2013 at 7:37pm: Look up 'the Song of Moses'. Deuteronomy 31:14 - Deuteronomy 32:47
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