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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #30 - Aug 18^th, 2013 at 9:27pm Soren wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 8:55pm: Halal is sharia-compliant. Air is halal, so stop breathing it.
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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #31 - Aug 18^th, 2013 at 9:36pm

Soren wrote on Aug 17^th, 2013 at 11:40pm:

halal is sharia. boycott it if you think killing animals slowly and painfully is barbaric.

Western farmers have been slaughtering animals since time immemorial by cutting their throats and bleeding them, this is actually a very quick and less painful method of slaughtering. Despite the modern methods used in industrial abbatoirs of stunniog the animals first which really only makes the animals docile and not less painful because the animals still die in fear our farmers still kill their own animals in the traditional method of bleeding them. so while you are on your soapbox you might want to start your campaign against this alleged cruelty in this country first. Wouldnt want to call you a hypocrite or anything.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #32 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:20am True Colours wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 9:27pm: Soren wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 8:55pm: Halal is sharia-compliant. Air is halal, so stop breathing it. good one TC - sig-worthy.
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Reply #33 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:43am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 8:47pm:

is seeing a halal label on food really that traumatic for you Soren?

As for the cruelty argument, under Australian law halal slaughtered animals must be stunned just like regular slaughtered animals.

Anyone who knows anything about the so called "humane" slaughter of non-halal would have no qualms whatsoever with halal slaughter. Please do some research on what goes on in your average chicken abbattoire.

So what does Halal slaughter actually involve?

Ian, do you actually know any farmers that slaughter their own stock?

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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #34 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 12:01pm freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:43am: Ian, do you actually know any farmers that slaughter their own stock? For their own consumption, yes. I have slaughtered farm animals myself many times. Why would you waste a bullet ?
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #35 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 12:02pm freediver wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:43am: So what does Halal slaughter actually involve? Saying a ritual prayer while cutting the animals throat.
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Soren Gold Member Offline Posts: 25654 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #36 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 12:52pm polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:20am: True Colours wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 9:27pm: Soren wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 8:55pm: Halal is sharia-compliant. Air is halal, so stop breathing it. good one TC - sig-worthy. Don't be stupid. Which sharia court has rules air halal?
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ian Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 9451	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #37 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:13pm Quite correct, Halal only applies to food.
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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #38 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:53pm

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 12:52pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:20am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 9:27pm:

Soren wrote on Aug 18^th, 2013 at 8:55pm:

Halal is sharia-compliant.

Air is halal, so stop breathing it.

good one TC - sig-worthy.

Don't be stupid. Which sharia court has rules air halal?

It is a basic principle of Islam; everything is halal unless God or His Prophet say otherwise.

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Ḥalāl (Arabic: حلال‎ ḥalāl, 'permissible') is any object or an action which is permissible to use or engage in, according to Islamic law...

...Halal is an Arabic word meaning "lawful" or "permissible." The term covers not only food and drink, but also all matters of daily life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

Once again Soren demonstrates that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

Keep going Soren...shows us how ignorant Islamophobes really are.

Fruit and vegetables and clean water are all halal, so you better give them up too.

Grin

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Reply #39 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:12pm

Halal and kosher aren't much different in their barbarity and neither are our normalised abbatoirs much better. Commercial scale slaughter is ironically enough more barbarous than any 'savage' peoples practices.

'Bleeding' an animal to death, isn't slashing its throat. If you put a small knick or incision into a main vein or artery by a sharp blade. The animal is petted, stroked and spoken to gently, unaware that its life is ebbing away, lack of oxygen sends it to sleep before death comes with a quick final shudder.

Blood is a valued resource to 'primitive' people and is collected in a bowl, not splashed about willy-nilly. In fact the Masai cattle-herders of Africa don't even kill the animal at all, they just bleed off a little blood and mix it with milk for food.

If beef is to be available as a cheap affordable commodity in supermarkets, cattle HAVE to be abused. It's bloody senseless to point the finger from one to the other as being the worse abuser. Every oz of meat in Coles and Woolies has suffered. I'm not a vegetarian, I'm a realist. If you want your meat to have died gently kill it yourself.

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Reply #40 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:28pm

ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Quite correct, Halal only applies to food.

no it doesn't.

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Halal is an Arabic word meaning "lawful" or "permissible." The term covers not only food and drink, but also all matters of daily life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

As to your question Soren, anything life sustaining is halal by default. It simply means "permitted". For anything to be haram, it must be specifically deemed as such.

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Grey Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 5341 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #41 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:43pm Soren keeps trying to pass himself off as a sophisticate of the intelligentsia - then he posts another Pat Condell video. Too funny.
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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #42 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:48pm

Grey wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Soren keeps trying to pass himself off as a sophisticate of the intelligentsia

How so?

Anyway, what is halal is what is permitted under Islam. Islam may well say that that air is life-giving therefore permitted. The point is - I do not need some silly sharia scholar to tell me what is permitted under Islam.

No wonder sharia covers the most minute aspects of ordinary life. I would not be surprised if there has been an Islamic ruling on air, specifically, being decreed life-giving therefore halal.

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polite_gandalf Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 20027 Canberra Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #43 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:51pm you don't seem to understand Soren - halal is default - you don't need any ruling to make anything halal - only whats haram.
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Reply #44 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:05pm

Grey wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:12pm:

'Bleeding' an animal to death, isn't slashing its throat. If you put a small knick or incision into a main vein or artery by a sharp blade. The animal is petted, stroked and spoken to gently, unaware that its life is ebbing away, lack of oxygen sends it to sleep before death comes with a quick final shudder.

It's a relatively quick an painless way to die. Is it more merciful to allow an animal die at old age from a heart attack or from cancer?

With proper halal slaughter, the animals are not even supposed to see each other being killed because Muslims are not even supposed to scare animals. In the collection of Hadith of Al Hakim he says that one should not kill an animal in front of another animal. In fact, the Prophet even told people not to sharpen their knives in front of animal because even that might put terror in the animal's heart.

In the modern Western abattoirs, animals are often killed in front of each other which is a fairly terrifying ending for an animal.

Islam also recommends humane killing:

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Verily God has enjoined goodness to everything; so when you kill, kill in a good way and when you slaughter, slaughter in a good way. So every one of you should sharpen his knife, and let the slaughtered animal die comfortably.

- Bukhari

http://spa.qibla.com/issue_view.asp?HD=1&ID=1773&CATE=127

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