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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #45 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:13pm

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Grey wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Soren keeps trying to pass himself off as a sophisticate of the intelligentsia

How so?

Anyway, what is halal is what is permitted under Islam. Islam may well say that that air is life-giving therefore permitted. The point is - I do not need some silly sharia scholar to tell me what is permitted under Islam.

No wonder sharia covers the most minute aspects of ordinary life. I would not be surprised if there has been an Islamic ruling on air, specifically, being decreed life-giving therefore halal.

Everything is considered halal in Islam unless there is a specific prohibition.

Only a few things are forbidden to Muslims to eat - intoxicants, pork, blood, animals with fangs, carrion, poisons, food contaminated by impurities, and meat slaughtered by pagans.

Everything else is halal.

Kosher is halal - I have eaten kosher many times. Seeing as kosher is halal, would yo have it banned?

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #46 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 3:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:51pm:

you don't seem to understand Soren - halal is default - you don't need any ruling to make anything halal - only whats haram.

Bollocks.

What is halal?
Halal simply means permitted or lawful. So when we are talking about halal foods it means any foods that are allowed to be eaten according to Islamic Sharia law.

This means that for any food to be considered halal it must comply with the religious ritual and observance of Sharia law.

What is halal certification?
This means that food has been subjected to approved certification systems which guarantee to consumers that nothing in the food has any forbidden components. Halal certificates are issued, for a fee, by a certifying body.

What is haram?
The opposite of halal is haram (forbidden).

Food can be forbidden in Islam if it includes:

blood
alcohol
meat or any products from a forbidden animal, including pigs and any carnivorous animals or birds of prey
meat or any products of an animal which has not been slaughtered in the correct manner in the name of Allah

Under Islamic law (sharia) it is permissible (halal) to consume items that would otherwise be termed haram so long as it is a matter of survival and not just an act of disobedience.
http://www.halalchoices.com.au/what_is_halal.html

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #47 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:14pm

Thats correct Soren, here's how it works:

Consider all food is by default halal. Then comes along the islamic doctrine which states which food isn't allowed - ie those that are not slaughtered the proscribed way, carnivores, pork etc.

Thus just like I said - everything is halal by default until islamic law specifies what is haram. Would you like me to dumb it down even further for you?

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #48 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:25pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Thats correct Soren, here's how it works:

Consider all food is by default halal. Then comes along the islamic doctrine which states which food isn't allowed - ie those that are not slaughtered the proscribed way, carnivores, pork etc.

Thus just like I said - everything is halal by default until islamic law specifies what is haram. Would you like me to dumb it down even further for you?

What is halal certification?
This means that food has been subjected to approved certification systems which guarantee to consumers that nothing in the food has any forbidden components. Halal certificates are issued, for a fee, by a certifying body.

This is what it's all about, my obfuscating, overcomplicating, discombobulated, sharia-certified, garden-path attendant friend.
If it's halal-certified - boycott it. That's what Condell's video was about, that's what I said, that's what it's all about.
Not the fvckn air and some such swivel-eyed bollocks.

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Reply #49 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:46pm

Soren you were the one mistaking "halal" for something that needs a certificate or whatever. I merely corrected you. It is true that 'halal' is more often used to describe permitted food - but that is not all that it is.

The air you breathe is every bit as halal as the food with a halal certificate. I'm sorry for your confusion.

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #50 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Soren you were the one mistaking "halal" for something that needs a certificate or whatever. I merely corrected you. It is true that 'halal' is more often used to describe permitted food - but that is not all that it is.

The air you breathe is every bit as halal as the food with a halal certificate. I'm sorry for your confusion.

See the vid in the OP. It is about sharia certification/permission/endorsement/nod/approval/OK, call it what you will. It is entirely about sharia approval, not about the fvckn air or water or fruit or raisins, 72 or otherwise.

No bloody wonder Muslims are regarded as untrustworthy, dishonest obfuscating hagglers - even you are arguing the hind leg off a donkey of your own invention.

You guys try to imitate the Joos and all that Bugs Bunny cleverness but you bugger it up every time.

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Reply #51 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:31pm

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:46pm:

Soren you were the one mistaking "halal" for something that needs a certificate or whatever. I merely corrected you. It is true that 'halal' is more often used to describe permitted food - but that is not all that it is.

The air you breathe is every bit as halal as the food with a halal certificate. I'm sorry for your confusion.

See the vid in the OP. It is about sharia certification/permission/endorsement/nod/approval/OK, call it what you will. It is entirely about sharia approval, not about the fvckn air or water or fruit or raisins, 72 or otherwise.

No bloody wonder Muslims are regarded as untrustworthy, dishonest obfuscating hagglers - even you are arguing the hind leg off a donkey of your own invention.

You guys try to imitate the Joos and all that Bugs Bunny cleverness but you bugger it up every time.

Well yeah but who doesn't? In the excitement of making money and eating cheaply everybody fvcks up all the time. How it's meant to be according to the rites of Islam, Judaism or the Royal smacking humane society is not the way it is.

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #52 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:47pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:28pm:

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Halal is an Arabic word meaning "lawful" or "permissible." The term covers not only food and drink, but also all matters of daily life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

As to your question Soren, anything life sustaining is halal by default. It simply means "permitted". For anything to be haram, it must be specifically deemed as such.

You will find that when used in the english language the word halal is only ever used to refer to food. Your ridicule of Soren for using this term correctly is misplaced.

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #53 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:50pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 5:14pm:

Thus just like I said - everything is halal by default until islamic law specifies what is haram. Would you like me to dumb it down even further for you?

No, that is incorrect. Meat isnt Halal by default, the animal must be slaughtered correctly to be considered Halal.

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #54 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:57pm

ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:28pm:

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Halal is an Arabic word meaning "lawful" or "permissible." The term covers not only food and drink, but also all matters of daily life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

As to your question Soren, anything life sustaining is halal by default. It simply means "permitted". For anything to be haram, it must be specifically deemed as such.

You will find that when used in the english language the word halal is only ever used to refer to food. Your ridicule of Soren for using this term correctly is misplaced.

What sort of Halal shampoo do you prefer to eat, ian?

Undecided

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Reply #55 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:02pm

ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:47pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:28pm:

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Halal is an Arabic word meaning "lawful" or "permissible." The term covers not only food and drink, but also all matters of daily life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

As to your question Soren, anything life sustaining is halal by default. It simply means "permitted". For anything to be haram, it must be specifically deemed as such.

You will find that when used in the english language the word halal is only ever used to refer to food. Your ridicule of Soren for using this term correctly is misplaced.

Do you eat this stuff, ian?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137852 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #56 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:07pm ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:47pm: You will find that when used in the english language the word halal is only ever used to refer to food. Your ridicule of Soren for using this term correctly is misplaced. [/quote] Does one spray this on bread?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137852 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #57 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:11pm ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:47pm: You will find that when used in the english language the word halal is only ever used to refer to food. Your ridicule of Soren for using this term correctly is misplaced. Edible condoms, ian?
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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 137852 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #58 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:14pm ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 8:47pm: You will find that when used in the english language the word halal is only ever used to refer to food. Your ridicule of Soren for using this term correctly is misplaced. I'm guessing this food has a nasty aftertaste:
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Karnal Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 95948 Gender:	Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric Reply #59 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 9:17pm Ah. Habibi haircare. It is my personal choice. It thickens the hairs on one’s head, you see. Insh’allah, a man of faith will never lose his hairs with this product. Gud is great!
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