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Reply #90 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 10:57pm

ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 10:52pm:

Seeing as with all your frantic googling all you did was reinforrce my point, your comments are somewhat hollow. As usual your trolling fell flat on its face. Let me leave you with this little pearl of wisdom
makin lama makin tolol kamu.

"Have you ever seen the word before any other word but "food" ? You wont see it used in any other ciontext in any Muslim country either."

Yes, ian. In a variety of places.

http://muslimahsmusings.blogspot.com.au/2011/07/halal-beauty-products-ultimate-l...

http://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/96962

http://www.newdirections.com.au/articles/article.php?aid=65

Get yourself a passport, turn off The Bolt Report, get off the lounge, and do a bit of travelling.

Seriously ian, you need to get out and see the real world.

Your ignorance is astounding.

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #92 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:08pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:01pm:

ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 10:03pm:

All those products contain food.

Do me a favour .... never invite me to your place for dinner. Thanks but no thanks.

Don't take any condoms, whatever you do.

"The lubrication would be considered a food item ... "

http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376746834/86#86

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Reply #93 - Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:34pm

Ian, I'm not sure what stuff your smoking to make you think all those cosmetics anad condoms and nail polish are classed as "food".

Either way, you have no idea what you are talking about. According to the islamic way of life, everything is divided into "halal" and "non-halal". To say halal only refers to food is gross ignorance on your part.

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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #94 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 5:26am

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 11:34pm:

Ian, I'm not sure what stuff your smoking to make you think all those cosmetics anad condoms and nail polish are classed as "food".

Either way, you have no idea what you are talking about. According to the islamic way of life, everything is divided into "halal" and "non-halal". To say halal only refers to food is gross ignorance on your part.

It wouldn't be an ian post if it didn't contain gross ignorance.

Perhaps ian will be having this for breakfast:

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Reply #95 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 8:13am

ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Quite correct, Halal only applies to food.

Incorrect. Halal applies to just about everything.

Halal Clothes
Relationships
Halal finance
Halal insurance
Halal investment
Halal clothing
Halal perfume
Halal soap
Halal farming
Aquiculture
Halal Home
Halal Employment
Halal Recreation

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #96 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 8:21am

Soren wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

Grey wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:43pm:

Soren keeps trying to pass himself off as a sophisticate of the intelligentsia

How so?

Anyway, what is halal is what is permitted under Islam. Islam may well say that that air is life-giving therefore permitted. The point is - I do not need some silly sharia scholar to tell me what is permitted under Islam.

Keep exposing your ignorance Soren. Grin

Everything in the world is halal by default

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Reply #97 - Aug 20^th, 2013 at 2:06pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 8:21am:

Everything in the world is halal by default

Thank You. Just like I said:

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Nothing is haram except what is prohibited by a sound and explicit nas (Nas denotes either a verse of the Qur'an or a clear, authentic, and explicit sunnah (practice or saying) of Prophet Muhammad.

But I'm sure Soren will somehow interpret this as muslims deliberately obfuscating Tongue

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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.

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Reply #98 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 2:28pm:

ian wrote on Aug 19^th, 2013 at 1:13pm:

Quite correct, Halal only applies to food.

no it doesn't.

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Halal is an Arabic word meaning "lawful" or "permissible." The term covers not only food and drink, but also all matters of daily life.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halal

As to your question Soren, anything life sustaining is halal by default. It simply means "permitted". For anything to be haram, it must be specifically deemed as such.

Didn't you previously insist that unless I can find a verse specifically permitting rape it must mean it is forbidden?

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People who can't distinguish between etymology and entomology bug me in ways I cannot put into words.

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #100 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:04am

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Didn't you previously insist that unless I can find a verse specifically permitting rape it must mean it is forbidden?

Islam forbids rape, and hands out a hefty punishment and deterrent:

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Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me...the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: "Messenger of God, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said..."Stone him to death..."

-Abu Dawood

Compare to the West where rapists get locked up in luxury for a couple of years and get fed gourmet food.

Or compare to the Judeo-Christian Bible:

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman"
- Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Shocked

Sick. Westerners are soft on rape. Shameful!

Justice for rape victims!

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #101 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:20am

True Colours wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:04am:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Didn't you previously insist that unless I can find a verse specifically permitting rape it must mean it is forbidden?

Islam forbids rape, and hands out a hefty punishment and deterrent:

Quote:

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me...the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: "Messenger of God, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said..."Stone him to death..."

-Abu Dawood

Compare to the West where rapists get locked up in luxury for a couple of years and get fed gourmet food.

Or compare to the Judeo-Christian Bible:

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman"
- Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Shocked

Sick. Westerners are soft on rape. Shameful!

Justice for rape victims!

Considering how many women have been stoned to death because they have been raped your comments are laughable.

Again, if you hate the west so much, go back to your own people.

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #102 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:30am

Quantum wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:20am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:04am:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Didn't you previously insist that unless I can find a verse specifically permitting rape it must mean it is forbidden?

Islam forbids rape, and hands out a hefty punishment and deterrent:

Quote:

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me...the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: "Messenger of God, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said..."Stone him to death..."

-Abu Dawood

Compare to the West where rapists get locked up in luxury for a couple of years and get fed gourmet food.

Or compare to the Judeo-Christian Bible:

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman"
- Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Shocked

Sick. Westerners are soft on rape. Shameful!

Justice for rape victims!

Considering how many women have been stoned to death because they have been raped your comments are laughable.

Again, if you hate the west so much, go back to your own people.

No Islamic court has ever ordered somebody to be stoned for being raped.

Do your lies bring you any shame Quantum?

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Reply #103 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:43am

True Colours wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:30am:

Quantum wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:20am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:04am:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Didn't you previously insist that unless I can find a verse specifically permitting rape it must mean it is forbidden?

Islam forbids rape, and hands out a hefty punishment and deterrent:

Quote:

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me...the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: "Messenger of God, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said..."Stone him to death..."

-Abu Dawood

Compare to the West where rapists get locked up in luxury for a couple of years and get fed gourmet food.

Or compare to the Judeo-Christian Bible:

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman"
- Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Shocked

Sick. Westerners are soft on rape. Shameful!

Justice for rape victims!

Considering how many women have been stoned to death because they have been raped your comments are laughable.

Again, if you hate the west so much, go back to your own people.

No Islamic court has ever ordered somebody to be stoned for being raped.

Do your lies bring you any shame Quantum?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/02/somalia-gender

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Re: Boycott halal - it's barbaric
Reply #104 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:27am

Quantum wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:43am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:30am:

Quantum wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:20am:

True Colours wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:04am:

freediver wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 7:03pm:

Didn't you previously insist that unless I can find a verse specifically permitting rape it must mean it is forbidden?

Islam forbids rape, and hands out a hefty punishment and deterrent:

Quote:

Narrated Wa'il ibn Hujr: When a woman went out in the time of the Prophet (peace_be_upon_him) for prayer, a man attacked her and overpowered (raped) her. She shouted and he went off, and when a man came by, she said: That (man) did such and such to me...the man who (actually) had assaulted her stood up and said: "Messenger of God, I am the man who did it to her. He (the Prophet) said..."Stone him to death..."

-Abu Dawood

Compare to the West where rapists get locked up in luxury for a couple of years and get fed gourmet food.

Or compare to the Judeo-Christian Bible:

"If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman"
- Deuteronomy 22:28-29
Shocked

Sick. Westerners are soft on rape. Shameful!

Justice for rape victims!

Considering how many women have been stoned to death because they have been raped your comments are laughable.

Again, if you hate the west so much, go back to your own people.

No Islamic court has ever ordered somebody to be stoned for being raped.

Do your lies bring you any shame Quantum?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/02/somalia-gender

The story is discredited. The court said that the main points reported in the article were untrue. First of all, her age was officially not 13, witnesses including journalists said she appeared to be about 23. Secondly, her own testimony did not mention rape - she came to the court requesting to be punished for committing adultery. You can see the bias in the article with the description of the Shabab government as 'rebels' even though they controlled most of the country at the time.

Have any cases supported by hard evidence rather than this disputed and discredited article?

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