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Tony Abbott Under Fire From The Premiers.
Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:25am
 
Premiers baulk at Libs' baby bill.      Smiley

    by: David Crowe and Sarah Martin
    From: The Australian
    August 20, 2013


WA Premier Colin Barnett with Tony Abbott. Mr Barnett has labelled the Coalition parental leave scheme too generous.      Sad

TONY Abbott has come under fire from premiers from both sides of politics for assuming they will contribute to his $5.5 billion parental leave scheme amid a wider fight about whether the costings for his policy add up.

West Australian Liberal Premier Colin Barnett said the scheme was too generous and, although his state would co-operate, it wouldn't contribute any money.      Sad

South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill rebuked the Opposition Leader for announcing a plan that needed state funds to work, and declared he would not make any commitment to help pay for the federal scheme.

And Tasmanian Premier Lara Giddings slammed the "ill thought out" Coalition scheme and said her state could not countenance returning any "savings" on parental leave to Canberra.

The Premier's comments came as Jeff Kennett declared that Mr Abbott's paid parental leave scheme was an "extraordinary extravagance" and must be means tested. The former Victorian premier predicted it would be manipulated by families who had a baby for the benefit of full pay without working rather than because they wanted one.      Sad


Opposition Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey insisted the costs of the scheme were "totally covered" but could not say how much of the total would be raised by a 1.5 per cent levy on big companies.

"Well it would have to be 50 or 60 or 70 per cent - I am not going to speculate," he told Melbourne radio host Neil Mitchell.

"I haven't got the numbers in front of me."

The Australian understands the $5.5bn cost of the scheme will be covered by less than $2.5bn a year from the levy, roughly $2bn in savings from replacing Labor's current parental leave scheme and about $1bn in further savings.

The $1bn includes contributions from state governments as well as savings on family tax benefits and income tax revenue on the parental leave payments.

The Australian has asked for the full costing of the policy by the Parliamentary Budget Office but the Coalition has declined to provide it, saying the details will be released before the election.      Sad

The net cost of the Coalition's scheme will be more than 10 times higher than the government's.

Although the Coalition has quoted a cost for Labor's scheme of $2bn a year, the latest figures from the department show its gross cost was $1.4bn in 2011-12. Australian National University professor Peter Whiteford said this cost was reduced to a net figure of only $270 million because people claiming the paid parental leave no longer obtained the Baby Bonus and received reduced family benefits while paying more tax.

The Coalition has claimed a net cost for its scheme of $6.1bn in the first two years.

Mr Barnett said he supported paid parental leave but added: "I think in many respects it probably is too generous. If Tony Abbott becomes prime minister and that scheme is introduced, we will co-operate in terms of the administration, but we will not be contributing money to the scheme ... as has been suggested."

Mr Weatherill said he would not enter an agreement with the Coalition that might require spending cuts elsewhere. "(Mr Abbott) owes us the courtesy of actually communicating with us about his plans ... and he hasn't yet taken up that basic courtesy," Mr Weatherill said.

Ms Giddings said Tasmania would lose revenue if an Abbott government took power, and could not countenance any discussion about contributing to the scheme. "It is evidence of how ill thought out Tony Abbott's paid parental scene has been that states have not been consulted," she said.

Mr Abbott said there were 18 months to negotiate the details if the Coalition won the election.
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Reply #1 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 7:32am
 
the whole bloody thing is over generous..

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WA Premier Colin Barnett with Tony Abbott. Mr Barnett has labelled the Coalition parental leave scheme too generous. 

What? Giving the richest women in Australia $75,000 to have a baby is too generous? Is Barnett a true Liberal or some kind of Commie in disguise?
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Reply #3 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:58am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:26am:
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WA Premier Colin Barnett with Tony Abbott. Mr Barnett has labelled the Coalition parental leave scheme too generous. 

What? Giving the richest women in Australia $75,000 to have a baby is too generous? Is Barnett a true Liberal or a Commie in disguise?



the whole scheme is pathetic...now even dads getting paid leave... what about granddad and nanny???..what about paid sibbling days...grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.

what about all those Saturdays and Sundays shouldnt they be at time and a half??????? Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry
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Reply #4 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 9:36am
 
it only took 24hrs for his scheme to unravel ... I know how to save him


stop the boats
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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.
 
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Reply #5 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 10:11am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:26am:
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WA Premier Colin Barnett with Tony Abbott. Mr Barnett has labelled the Coalition parental leave scheme too generous. 

What? Giving the richest women in Australia $75,000 to have a baby is too generous? Is Barnett a true Liberal or a Commie in disguise?


$150,000 = richest women in OZ...


Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #6 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 10:44am
 
FriYAY wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 10:11am:
$150,000 = richest women in OZ...


Grin Grin Grin Grin


Women earning $150,000 and upwards get a $75,000 baby bonus from Abbott.

So a woman who gets a $1million per year gets $75,000 baby bonus under Abbott's scheme.

That is a disgrace. Taxpayers should not be forking out $75,000 to millionaires to have babies.
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Reply #7 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 10:51am
 
This is certainly one Coalition policy I can't support.
If Abbott is serious about getting the budget back in the black, then he can't afford to throw money away.
This country has had enough of taxpayers money being wasted.
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Reply #8 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:04am
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 8:26am:
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WA Premier Colin Barnett with Tony Abbott. Mr Barnett has labelled the Coalition parental leave scheme too generous. 




What? Giving the richest women in Australia $75,000 to have a baby is too generous? Is Barnett a true Liberal or some kind of Commie in disguise?





I've got sneaking suspicion section of
"Western 'burbs, Anycity, Australia"
thinks this new version of the baby bonus means
$75,000 for EVERY new mother
- not
just the RICHEST
ones



Oh, BOY - are THEY in for a rude awakening !








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Reply #9 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:08am
 
Anyone that has a baby simply for the baby bonus and/or maternity scheme has rocks in their head.  Also, I strongly doubt that such people exist beyond a very, very small number.
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AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."
 
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Reply #10 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 11:29am
 
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Premiers baulk at Libs' baby bill.      Smiley

    by: David Crowe and Sarah Martin
    From: The Australian
    August 20, 2013


WA Premier Colin Barnett with Tony Abbott. Mr Barnett has labelled the Coalition parental leave scheme too generous.      Sad

TONY Abbott has come under fire from premiers from both sides of politics for assuming they will contribute to his $5.5 billion parental leave scheme amid a wider fight about whether the costings for his policy add up.

West Australian Liberal Premier Colin Barnett said the scheme was too generous and, although his state would co-operate, it wouldn't contribute any money.      Sad

South Australian Premier Jay Weatherill rebuked the Opposition Leader for announcing a plan that needed state funds to work, and declared he would not make any commitment to help pay for the federal scheme.

And Tasmanian Premier Lara Giddings slammed the "ill thought out" Coalition scheme and said her state could not countenance returning any "savings" on parental leave to Canberra.

The Premier's comments came as Jeff Kennett declared that Mr Abbott's paid parental leave scheme was an "extraordinary extravagance" and must be means tested. The former Victorian premier predicted it would be manipulated by families who had a baby for the benefit of full pay without working rather than because they wanted one.      Sad


Opposition Treasury spokesman Joe Hockey insisted the costs of the scheme were "totally covered" but could not say how much of the total would be raised by a 1.5 per cent levy on big companies.

"Well it would have to be 50 or 60 or 70 per cent - I am not going to speculate," he told Melbourne radio host Neil Mitchell.

"I haven't got the numbers in front of me."

The Australian understands the $5.5bn cost of the scheme will be covered by less than $2.5bn a year from the levy, roughly $2bn in savings from replacing Labor's current parental leave scheme and about $1bn in further savings.

The $1bn includes contributions from state governments as well as savings on family tax benefits and income tax revenue on the parental leave payments.

The Australian has asked for the full costing of the policy by the Parliamentary Budget Office but the Coalition has declined to provide it, saying the details will be released before the election.      Sad

The net cost of the Coalition's scheme will be more than 10 times higher than the government's.

Although the Coalition has quoted a cost for Labor's scheme of $2bn a year, the latest figures from the department show its gross cost was $1.4bn in 2011-12. Australian National University professor Peter Whiteford said this cost was reduced to a net figure of only $270 million because people claiming the paid parental leave no longer obtained the Baby Bonus and received reduced family benefits while paying more tax.

The Coalition has claimed a net cost for its scheme of $6.1bn in the first two years.

Mr Barnett said he supported paid parental leave but added: "I think in many respects it probably is too generous. If Tony Abbott becomes prime minister and that scheme is introduced, we will co-operate in terms of the administration, but we will not be contributing money to the scheme ... as has been suggested."

Mr Weatherill said he would not enter an agreement with the Coalition that might require spending cuts elsewhere. "(Mr Abbott) owes us the courtesy of actually communicating with us about his plans ... and he hasn't yet taken up that basic courtesy," Mr Weatherill said.

Ms Giddings said Tasmania would lose revenue if an Abbott government took power, and could not countenance any discussion about contributing to the scheme. "It is evidence of how ill thought out Tony Abbott's paid parental scene has been that states have not been consulted," she said.

Mr Abbott said there were 18 months to negotiate the details if the Coalition won the election.


I agree & in fact, I would go further by phasing out Baby Bonus schemes altogether, as over time it will prove to be counter-"productive", as we will face future difficulties supporting a higher Population!
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Reply #11 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 12:19pm
 
I wonder how many people on this forum who will be voting Coalition at this election support increasing it from the current level of $612 a week for 18 weeks to a maximum of $2,885 per week for 26 weeks, except for Andre because he thinks the government owes him something.

I know when people vote they should be basing their decision over a range of issues, so how about it guys and girls, honest answer, Do you support the Liberal Party's Paid Parental Leave scheme?
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And why not, if you will permit me; why shouldn’t I, if you will permit me; spend my first week as prime minister, should that happen, on this, on your, country - Abbott with the Garma People Aug 13
 
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Reply #12 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 1:15pm
 
Verge wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 12:19pm:
I wonder how many people on this forum who will be voting Coalition at this election support increasing it from the current level of $612 a week for 18 weeks to a maximum of $2,885 per week for 26 weeks, except for Andre because he thinks the government owes him something.

I know when people vote they should be basing their decision over a range of issues, so how about it guys and girls, honest answer, Do you support the Liberal Party's Paid Parental Leave scheme?


I for one don't support it.  But I don't get to have a government that 100% agrees with my opinion.  I don't disagree with it on principle but rather applaud the principle.  However, I don't think we can afford it.
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Reply #13 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
Ya know, Abbott et al say they've been working on this 'signature' policy for ages, and yet we now discover that the States (essential to its capacity to work) seem not to have been consulted.  Isn't this what Abbott 'sanctimoniously' accuses Rudd of?

Abbott's been telling porkies on
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Reply #14 - Aug 20th, 2013 at 5:26pm
 
Aussie wrote on Aug 20th, 2013 at 1:43pm:
Ya know, Abbott et al say they've been working on this 'signature' policy for ages, and yet we now discover that the States (essential to its capacity to work) seem not to have been consulted.  Isn't this what Abbott 'sanctimoniously' accuses Rudd of?

Abbott's been telling porkies on
this subject.


as it is a federally funded payment I don't think the states' involvement is much.  I certainly don't think they will be paying for it.
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