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Re: Fact Check on Labor's NBN ad
Reply #30 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 6:22pm

# wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 4:16pm:

scope wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:22am:

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Fiber has been around and in use since about 1840 ...

Though glass fibre has been around since, at least, the 19th century (I vaguely remember something about glass fibres being used to decorate pottery, way back BC), its uses were primarily decorative. Modern telecommunications fibre wasn't developed until the 1970s. That said, once they figured out how to create strands of high refractive index glass encased in low refractive index glass, it was quickly pressed into service. By the end of the 1970s, installation was well under way.

Interestingly, the performance of the oldest installations leads those in the industry to estimate the service life of fibre as at least 60 years. According to one of the linesmen who replaced the forty year old copper in my area, the service life of copper is between 30 and 50 years, depending on operating environment.

I agree, fiber as used for communications. the technology certainly jumped ahead in the 70's but was around before then , at least the idea was if not the stable technology to use it.
It really is an interesting medium the use's are maybe endless and we are seeing more areas of industry and science take advantage of it.

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Re: Fact Check on Labor's NBN ad
Reply #31 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 6:37pm

scope wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 6:22pm:

# wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 4:16pm:

scope wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:22am:

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Fiber has been around and in use since about 1840 ...

Though glass fibre has been around since, at least, the 19th century (I vaguely remember something about glass fibres being used to decorate pottery, way back BC), its uses were primarily decorative. Modern telecommunications fibre wasn't developed until the 1970s. That said, once they figured out how to create strands of high refractive index glass encased in low refractive index glass, it was quickly pressed into service. By the end of the 1970s, installation was well under way.

Interestingly, the performance of the oldest installations leads those in the industry to estimate the service life of fibre as at least 60 years. According to one of the linesmen who replaced the forty year old copper in my area, the service life of copper is between 30 and 50 years, depending on operating environment.

I agree, fiber as used for communications. the technology certainly jumped ahead in the 70's but was around before then , at least the idea was if not the stable technology to use it.
It really is an interesting medium the use's are maybe endless and we are seeing more areas of industry and science take advantage of it.

why not step ahead in the future possibilities of communications technology. sci-fi has a habit of becoming sci-fact rather quickly.

Neutrino based communications. Neutrinos have the fascinating ability of being able to pass thru anything this making any system based on it unstoppable and connectable from any point on the globe. the information packets on neutrinos could piggyback data. the obvious problem is that neutrinos pass thru ANYTHING including current attempts at collectors. But should that problem be resolved, neutrino-based communications systems could work. their advantage over all competing methods are obvious. range, connectibility, reliability and most importantly...BANDWIDTH.

IM not suggesting that neutrino networks will be here any time soon but if science gives us a reliable collector/generator mechanism then the revolution will be here shortly.

I think there are other more likely options, but I don't discount ANY of them

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Re: Fact Check on Labor's NBN ad
Reply #32 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 7:30pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... Copper twisted pair has been under-rated time and time again and the fact that it can now do 25-50Mbps was apparently 'impossible' as recently as a year ago. ...

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... The same applies to wireless where the supposed limits of physics have been surpassed many times.

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... it is a virtual given that within ten years a new means of information delivery is developed that is cheaper and ten times faster. ...'

Given that proof of concept of total internal reflection fibre was delivered by van Heel in the mid 1950s and commercial mass-manufacture some two decades later, by now you should have at least five proofs of concept for means' of delivery that are cheaper and ten time faster, with three of them already in service. Perhaps you could point them out.

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Re: Fact Check on Labor's NBN ad
Reply #33 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 8:06pm

# wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 7:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... Copper twisted pair has been under-rated time and time again and the fact that it can now do 25-50Mbps was apparently 'impossible' as recently as a year ago. ...

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

It has been reported multiple times - VDSL. google it.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... The same applies to wireless where the supposed limits of physics have been surpassed many times.

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

If you were older than 12 you would remember the frequent arguments that such and such a technology has reached the limits of physics only to be surpassed with relative ease shortly after. Wireless is one such technology. Samsung have developed super-fast wireless that reaches 1Gbps but says it will be impractical for commercial use for another 10 years.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... it is a virtual given that within ten years a new means of information delivery is developed that is cheaper and ten times faster. ...'

Given that proof of concept of total internal reflection fibre was delivered by van Heel in the mid 1950s and commercial mass-manufacture some two decades later, by now you should have at least five proofs of concept for means' of delivery that are cheaper and ten time faster, with three of them already in service. Perhaps you could point them out.

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Re: Fact Check on Labor's NBN ad
Reply #34 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 8:44pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 8:06pm:

# wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 7:30pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... Copper twisted pair has been under-rated time and time again and the fact that it can now do 25-50Mbps was apparently 'impossible' as recently as a year ago. ...

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

It has been reported multiple times - VDSL. google it.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... The same applies to wireless where the supposed limits of physics have been surpassed many times.

You can't substantiate that assertion, can you?

If you were older than 12 you would remember the frequent arguments that such and such a technology has reached the limits of physics only to be surpassed with relative ease shortly after. Wireless is one such technology. Samsung have developed super-fast wireless that reaches 1Gbps but says it will be impractical for commercial use for another 10 years.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 20^th, 2013 at 7:40pm:

... it is a virtual given that within ten years a new means of information delivery is developed that is cheaper and ten times faster. ...'

Given that proof of concept of total internal reflection fibre was delivered by van Heel in the mid 1950s and commercial mass-manufacture some two decades later, by now you should have at least five proofs of concept for means' of delivery that are cheaper and ten time faster, with three of them already in service. Perhaps you could point them out.

Does repeating your assertion constitute substantiation? Does attempting to distract? Does making different assertions?

So where are your five proofs of concept? Are three of them in service?

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