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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #15 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:47pm

John S wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:09pm:

I have tried several times to get a comment posted. But if you want to believe that literally 100% of respondents think everything that is written is pure gold then you have no idea....

Bob Ellis is the founder of the site and regular writer.

Why do you keep lying longy If you have ever been on Independent Australia site you would see that Bob Ellis is not the founder and owner of the site

here is a bit about Independent Australia site
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IA supports quality investigative journalism, as well as citizen journalism and a diversity of voices. It believes Australians are short-changed by the mass media — and so it dedicates itself to seeking out the truth and informing the public.

Independent Australia believes in a fully and truly independent Australia, a nation that determines its own future, a nation that protects its citizens, its environment and its future. A country that is fair and free.

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longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:13pm:

John S wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:04pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1377041479/6#6 date=1377048483]what is wrong with independentaustralia??? are you serious? it is a blatantly pro-labor site with 100% anti-liberal articles. it doesn't even pretend to be unbiased. Read the comments and what do you see? yes that's right. 100% virulently anti-abbot posts. Ever tried to get a comment published there? they are always rejected unless they are abbott attacking, labor supporting drivel.

most of the articles are grossly inaccurate and the rest show bias that is embarrassingly obvious.

if you want to make your point you need to do so with articles that at least make an attempt to not be biased. The author - Bob Ellis - is so biased and so crazy hat even the ALP have distanced themselves from him.

Here is the guy that says the Newspoll and News Limited are not biased.

Did Bob Ellis write any of those article I don't know why you brought him into the post the only reason I can see that you brought him in is that you can't say anything about the articles, and give me a link or something that says that the ALP have distanced themselves from him

Have you ever try to post a comment on Independent Australia site and if you haven't how do you know that they are rejected

I stand by th4e claim that newspoll is not biased. If that were so their stellar accuracy compared to actual election would not exist.

This is nothing more than shooting the messenger.

I notice that you never said anything about News Limited been biased. So how can 1 be biased and the other 1 not when they are both owned by the same person

newspoll is a RESEARCH and polling group dunderhead. its bread and butter is dependent on is lack of bias and its accuracy. If it were doing what you suggest, it would fail overnight and no one would uses its services. Not even the ALP think newspoll is biased. and even if you were to think so then what about Galaxy? is that biased too?

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #16 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:49pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:47pm:

John S wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:43pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:09pm:

I have tried several times to get a comment posted. But if you want to believe that literally 100% of respondents think everything that is written is pure gold then you have no idea....

Bob Ellis is the founder of the site and regular writer.

Why do you keep lying longy If you have ever been on Independent Australia site you would see that Bob Ellis is not the founder and owner of the site

here is a bit about Independent Australia site
Quote:

Finally, news has a conscience.
Independent Australia is a progressive journal focusing on politics, democracy, the environment, Australian history and Australian identity. It contains news and opinion from Australia and around the world.

Managing editor David Donovan

IA supports quality investigative journalism, as well as citizen journalism and a diversity of voices. It believes Australians are short-changed by the mass media — and so it dedicates itself to seeking out the truth and informing the public.

Independent Australia believes in a fully and truly independent Australia, a nation that determines its own future, a nation that protects its citizens, its environment and its future. A country that is fair and free.

IA is also opposed to partisan politics and supports Independent politicians. (Read more about this here.)

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:13pm:

John S wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:04pm:

[quote author=longweekend58 link=1377041479/6#6 date=1377048483]what is wrong with independentaustralia??? are you serious? it is a blatantly pro-labor site with 100% anti-liberal articles. it doesn't even pretend to be unbiased. Read the comments and what do you see? yes that's right. 100% virulently anti-abbot posts. Ever tried to get a comment published there? they are always rejected unless they are abbott attacking, labor supporting drivel.

most of the articles are grossly inaccurate and the rest show bias that is embarrassingly obvious.

if you want to make your point you need to do so with articles that at least make an attempt to not be biased. The author - Bob Ellis - is so biased and so crazy hat even the ALP have distanced themselves from him.

Here is the guy that says the Newspoll and News Limited are not biased.

Did Bob Ellis write any of those article I don't know why you brought him into the post the only reason I can see that you brought him in is that you can't say anything about the articles, and give me a link or something that says that the ALP have distanced themselves from him

Have you ever try to post a comment on Independent Australia site and if you haven't how do you know that they are rejected

I stand by th4e claim that newspoll is not biased. If that were so their stellar accuracy compared to actual election would not exist.

This is nothing more than shooting the messenger.

I notice that you never said anything about News Limited been biased. So how can 1 be biased and the other 1 not when they are both owned by the same person

newspoll is a RESEARCH and polling group dunderhead. its bread and butter is dependent on is lack of bias and its accuracy. If it were doing what you suggest, it would fail overnight and no one would uses its services. Not even the ALP think newspoll is biased. and even if you were to think so then what about Galaxy? is that biased too?

bread and butter depends on lack of bias ... How so? Newscorps newspapers would still use newspollls figures regardless of bias, liberal party will still pay them to take polls regardless of bias ... the only customers they may lose would be labor, but to do that they would need the labor part to be an actual customer first

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #17 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:51pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:28am:

what is wrong with independentaustralia??? are you serious? it is a blatantly pro-labor site with 100% anti-liberal articles. it doesn't even pretend to be unbiased. Read the comments and what do you see? yes that's right. 100% virulently anti-abbot posts. Ever tried to get a comment published there? they are always rejected unless they are abbott attacking, labor supporting drivel.

most of the articles are grossly inaccurate and the rest show bias that is embarrassingly obvious.

if you want to make your point you need to do so with articles that at least make an attempt to not be biased. The author - Bob Ellis - is so biased and so crazy hat even the ALP have distanced themselves from him.

So other than disparaging the publisher & authors, are you disputing any of the facts offered?

yes and easily so. this website publishes nonsense and expects simpletons to simply swallow it. And there is no shortage of simpletons ready to do so. Please don't tell me that you are one of them.

1st article

The first lie is that the economy is weaker now than it was when Labor took office.

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Of the 37 measures of economic wellbeing, Australia is ahead of where it was in 2007 on 26. It is about equal on four. The position on the other seven has been a deterioration relative to Australia in 2007, but a strong advance relative to the rest of the world.

Easily dis-proven if false, yet I bet I get nothing but silence.

30 out of 37 equal to or better, I think most REASONABLE people would conclude that YES the economy is stronger, or at least not on the brink of collapse that Abbott & Hockey would have us believe.

2nd article

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Culpability, according to the Coroner, was shared three ways.

The state authorities:

‘Under our constitutional arrangements, workplace health and safety is primarily within the domain of State Governments.’

The companies:

‘That the employers of the three people whose deaths were investigated by this inquest failed to adequately discharge their responsibilities is evidenced by their conviction of offences under electrical and work-place safety legislation.’

And, in one case, the victim:

‘Despite being directed not to use metal staples Mitchell chose to do so and died as a direct result.’

Is the Coroner a labor stooge now like Treasury?
Can't see the words Rudd/Garrett or Labor in those findings?
Why is it that anyone who questions the coalition is apparently a Labor plant??

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Remember, the urgent task was not primarily to insulate buildings. That was secondary. The main purpose of the stimulus packages was to get $42 billion into circulation as rapidly as possible. This they did. All of the $42 billion ended up precisely where it was intended — in Australia’s steadily growing economy.

Seems legit unless you've got something other than opinion to disprove it.

Article 3

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The third is that Australia weathered the global financial crisis (GFC) because it had no debt at the outset.

You use this line pretty often Wink

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Next, we examine those nations which weathered the GFC satisfactorily.

None emerged as soundly as Australia. But those that did pretty well include Israel, Poland, the Slovak Republic, South Korea and Switzerland.

All these experienced only one or two negative GDP quarters, modest job losses (mostly), little if any drop in income, and have recovered to a sound position now. Yet all five went into the GFC with substantial net debt — between 28% and 70%.

Quite clearly, if there is an explanation for Australia surviving the GFC better than any other nation, debt at the outset is not it.

Again a statement easily dis-proven if false
Are you going to use the land mass/population line to argue against this?
I look forward to that.

Article 4

No real standout statement to pluck out but the whole article backs up it's claims (again) with easily refuted statics & history.

Knock yourself out.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Please don't tell me that you are one of them.

No I'm not, but I'm not a Fan-boy either, which means I can critically access the information provided.
Can you say the same?

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #20 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:51pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:54am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:28am:

what is wrong with independentaustralia??? are you serious? it is a blatantly pro-labor site with 100% anti-liberal articles. it doesn't even pretend to be unbiased. Read the comments and what do you see? yes that's right. 100% virulently anti-abbot posts. Ever tried to get a comment published there? they are always rejected unless they are abbott attacking, labor supporting drivel.

most of the articles are grossly inaccurate and the rest show bias that is embarrassingly obvious.

if you want to make your point you need to do so with articles that at least make an attempt to not be biased. The author - Bob Ellis - is so biased and so crazy hat even the ALP have distanced themselves from him.

So other than disparaging the publisher & authors, are you disputing any of the facts offered?

yes and easily so. this website publishes nonsense and expects simpletons to simply swallow it. And there is no shortage of simpletons ready to do so. Please don't tell me that you are one of them.

1st article

The first lie is that the economy is weaker now than it was when Labor took office.

Quote:

Of the 37 measures of economic wellbeing, Australia is ahead of where it was in 2007 on 26. It is about equal on four. The position on the other seven has been a deterioration relative to Australia in 2007, but a strong advance relative to the rest of the world.

Easily dis-proven if false, yet I bet I get nothing but silence.

30 out of 37 equal to or better, I think most REASONABLE people would conclude that YES the economy is stronger, or at least not on the brink of collapse that Abbott & Hockey would have us believe.

2nd article

Quote:

Culpability, according to the Coroner, was shared three ways.

The state authorities:

And, in one case, the victim:

‘Despite being directed not to use metal staples Mitchell chose to do so and died as a direct result.’

Is the Coroner a labor stooge now like Treasury?
Can't see the words Rudd/Garrett or Labor in those findings?
Why is it that anyone who questions the coalition is apparently a Labor plant??

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steadily growing economy.

Seems legit unless you've got something other than opinion to disprove it.

Article 3

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The third is that Australia weathered the global financial crisis (GFC) because it had no debt at the outset.

You use this line pretty often Wink

Quote:

Next, we examine those nations which weathered the GFC satisfactorily.

Quite clearly, if there is an explanation for Australia surviving the GFC better than any other nation, debt at the outset is not it.

Again a statement easily dis-proven if false
Are you going to use the land mass/population line to argue against this?
I look forward to that.

Article 4

No real standout statement to pluck out but the whole article backs up it's claims (again) with easily refuted statics & history.

Knock yourself out.

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 12:08pm:

Please don't tell me that you are one of them.

No I'm not, but I'm not a Fan-boy either, which means I can critically access the information provided.
Can you say the same?

Most of these claims of the economy being better off now are RELATIVE ones rather than absolute measures. This of course is the basis of the 'debt is no problem' argument as well. The argument is that we are now better than the rest of the world in X categories now as opposed to Y categories in 2007. Given that so much of the world has stumbled economically, that is less of an achievement than it sounds. But lets look at some ABSOLUTE measurements shall we?

1) growth in GDP is half that of 2007
2) unemployment is 50% higher than in 2007
3) govt debt has grown astronomically
4) govt budgets are in massive deficit.

now it is true that in REALTIVE terms our gdp growth is better than almost everyone and our unemployment situation is likewise better than most. But the claim is that WE are better off now than in 2007. And that claim is spurious as an even cursory look at the figures confirms.

What angers me is that Labor is not content with just saying 'we did a good job'. That at least has an argument to it. Rather, they have to say we are doing better than 2007 which is simply idiotic. Classic over-reaching. The same is true of the debt situation. Rather than make an argument for the need for the debt, they are saying DEBT IS GOOD. Instead of explaining their deficits and defending them, they pretend they don't exists, aren't as high as claimed and anyhow, Howard left us with a huge deficit - which he didn't.

It is the breathtaking intellectual dishonesty that I cant stand. 2006/7 was the historical high-water mark for the Australian economy. There is no dispute on that among those who can count and have no bias. Nobody denies that Howard was gifted a boo with labor were gifted the GFC. but the arguments presented by labor seek to rewrite history and that is unacceptable as well as pitifuly childish.

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #21 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:14pm

Of all the arguments I find stupidest it is the one that somehow the extraordinary state of our economy in 2007 had ZERO EFFECT on how well we coped with the GFC in 2008. Is there really any logic in that at all?

Is there any activity or endeavour anywhere on the planet that does not depend largely on what took place yesterday and in previous years for its successes (or failures) today?

I am not here trying to discount Rudd/Swans efforts during the GFC - just trying to work out what kind of people and what manner of thinking leads you to believe that the combined efforts of Hawke, Keating Costello and Howard in reforming an economy to worlds best standard had zero effect in 2008.

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Reply #23 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:32pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

What angers me is that Labor is not content with just saying 'we did a good job'. That at least has an argument to it. Rather, they have to say we are doing better than 2007 which is simply idiotic. Classic over-reaching. The same is true of the debt situation. Rather than make an argument for the need for the debt, they are saying DEBT IS GOOD. Instead of explaining their deficits and defending them, they pretend they don't exists, aren't as high as claimed and anyhow, Howard left us with a huge deficit - which he didn't.

Totally agree.

I don't know who's been in charge of their media strategy since 07 but they need to be sacked, I can't argue that it's been anything but woeful.
Wrong message, disseminated to the wrong people, the wrong way.
smacking hopeless

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

It is the breathtaking intellectual dishonesty that I cant stand. 2006/7 was the historical high-water mark for the Australian economy. There is no dispute on that among those who can count and have no bias. Nobody denies that Howard was gifted a boo with labor were gifted the GFC. but the arguments presented by labor seek to rewrite history and that is unacceptable as well as pitifuly childish.

Again good post, I agree.

What I don't understand is how you can't stand it from Labor yet actively promote it for the Liberals?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:14pm:

Of all the arguments I find stupidest it is the one that somehow the extraordinary state of our economy in 2007 had ZERO EFFECT on how well we coped with the GFC in 2008. Is there really any logic in that at all?

No & I never said it was so

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:14pm:

Is there any activity or endeavour anywhere on the planet that does not depend largely on what took place yesterday and in previous years for its successes (or failures) today?

No

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:14pm:

I am not here trying to discount Rudd/Swans efforts during the GFC - just trying to work out what kind of people and what manner of thinking leads you to believe that the combined efforts of Hawke, Keating Costello and Howard in reforming an economy to worlds best standard had zero effect in 2008.

I don't believe anything of the sort

Keating - 70% - dragging the economy(and many people) kicking & screaming into the reforms that were required.
(A TRUE LEADER)

Costello - 30% - steady hand & continued reform

If not for those 2 the claims of Greece like would actually be true.

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Reply #24 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:50pm

Umm why have you edited out portions of my previous post?

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Remember, the urgent task was not primarily to insulate buildings. That was secondary. The main purpose of the stimulus packages was to get $42 billion into circulation as rapidly as possible. This they did. All of the $42 billion ended up precisely where it was intended — in Australia’s steadily growing economy.

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longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

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steadily growing economy.

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Next, we examine those nations which weathered the GFC satisfactorily.

None emerged as soundly as Australia. But those that did pretty well include Israel, Poland, the Slovak Republic, South Korea and Switzerland.

All these experienced only one or two negative GDP quarters, modest job losses (mostly), little if any drop in income, and have recovered to a sound position now. Yet all five went into the GFC with substantial net debt — between 28% and 70%.

Quite clearly, if there is an explanation for Australia surviving the GFC better than any other nation, debt at the outset is not it.

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longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

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Next, we examine those nations which weathered the GFC satisfactorily.

Quite clearly, if there is an explanation for Australia surviving the GFC better than any other nation, debt at the outset is not it.

Inconvenient truth or Intellectual dishonesty?

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #25 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:25pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:50pm:

Umm why have you edited out portions of my previous post?

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Remember, the urgent task was not primarily to insulate buildings. That was secondary. The main purpose of the stimulus packages was to get $42 billion into circulation as rapidly as possible. This they did. All of the $42 billion ended up precisely where it was intended — in Australia’s steadily growing economy.

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longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

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steadily growing economy.

Quote:

Next, we examine those nations which weathered the GFC satisfactorily.

None emerged as soundly as Australia. But those that did pretty well include Israel, Poland, the Slovak Republic, South Korea and Switzerland.

All these experienced only one or two negative GDP quarters, modest job losses (mostly), little if any drop in income, and have recovered to a sound position now. Yet all five went into the GFC with substantial net debt — between 28% and 70%.

Quite clearly, if there is an explanation for Australia surviving the GFC better than any other nation, debt at the outset is not it.

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longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

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Next, we examine those nations which weathered the GFC satisfactorily.

Quite clearly, if there is an explanation for Australia surviving the GFC better than any other nation, debt at the outset is not it.

Inconvenient truth or Intellectual dishonesty?

nothing more devious other than a limit to the amount you can post. I had to delete something of the quoted portion to be able to post a response.

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Reply #26 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:31pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:32pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

What angers me is that Labor is not content with just saying 'we did a good job'. That at least has an argument to it. Rather, they have to say we are doing better than 2007 which is simply idiotic. Classic over-reaching. The same is true of the debt situation. Rather than make an argument for the need for the debt, they are saying DEBT IS GOOD. Instead of explaining their deficits and defending them, they pretend they don't exists, aren't as high as claimed and anyhow, Howard left us with a huge deficit - which he didn't.

Totally agree.

I don't know who's been in charge of their media strategy since 07 but they need to be sacked, I can't argue that it's been anything but woeful.
Wrong message, disseminated to the wrong people, the wrong way.
smacking hopeless

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:08pm:

It is the breathtaking intellectual dishonesty that I cant stand. 2006/7 was the historical high-water mark for the Australian economy. There is no dispute on that among those who can count and have no bias. Nobody denies that Howard was gifted a boo with labor were gifted the GFC. but the arguments presented by labor seek to rewrite history and that is unacceptable as well as pitifuly childish.

Again good post, I agree.

What I don't understand is how you can't stand it from Labor yet actively promote it for the Liberals?

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:14pm:

Of all the arguments I find stupidest it is the one that somehow the extraordinary state of our economy in 2007 had ZERO EFFECT on how well we coped with the GFC in 2008. Is there really any logic in that at all?

No & I never said it was so

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:14pm:

Is there any activity or endeavour anywhere on the planet that does not depend largely on what took place yesterday and in previous years for its successes (or failures) today?

No

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 1:14pm:

I am not here trying to discount Rudd/Swans efforts during the GFC - just trying to work out what kind of people and what manner of thinking leads you to believe that the combined efforts of Hawke, Keating Costello and Howard in reforming an economy to worlds best standard had zero effect in 2008.

I don't believe anything of the sort

Keating - 70% - dragging the economy(and many people) kicking & screaming into the reforms that were required.
(A TRUE LEADER)

Costello - 30% - steady hand & continued reform

If not for those 2 the claims of Greece like would actually be true.

in the context of this thread those silly claims are PRECISELY what independentaustralia is claiming. no one takes them seriously of course other than valleyboy but it is still concerning that anyone could be so gullible.

Intellectual honesty is a tough gig at the best of times but in the current election when Rudd just makes stuff up (GST, hospitals etc etc) even try to comment on a topic with rigorous detail and honesty is hard work. it is an even harder gig when your audience don't even care about honesty as long as the MESSAGE is palatable.

I don't recall an election where such blatant dishonesty and retelling of history has been so evident. And yes, that is a primarily labor issue. The libs can stretch the truth as well as the best of them. but in terms of blatant lying and falsification of facts is the part labor is playing right now.

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Reply #28 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:45pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:33pm:

BAWHAHAHAHAH Grin

You could have deleted the 1st 2 portions of our exchange but rather chose to omit salient points disputing your assertions.

The question becomes was it conscious or sub conscious?

you assume that I did anything beyond look for a para of old text and delete it without any reference to the content.

try not to be a conspiracy theorist. its a bad fit.

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #29 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:48pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:45pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 2:33pm:

BAWHAHAHAHAH Grin

You could have deleted the 1st 2 portions of our exchange but rather chose to omit salient points disputing your assertions.

The question becomes was it conscious or sub conscious?

you assume that I did anything beyond look for a para of old text and delete it without any reference to the content.

try not to be a conspiracy theorist. its a bad fit.

I thought the laughing heads would have given away the fact it was a joke???

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