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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #45 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 10:46pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:22pm:

I've never really understood how funding pink batts made the government responsible for the accidental deaths of independent contractors installing them.

Governments fund all sorts of things - wars, prisons, emergency services, pharmaceuticals. How many people have overdosed on drugs funded under the PBS?

Explain that one, leftards.

ive never understood why of all the industries in Australia rudd chose insulation. were there not 100 other industries that could have shared in the cash which would have stimulated the economy just as well, yet not overdone it so badly?

You think it may be because investing in home insulation has the carry on benefits of reducing power consumption thus reducing power bills and also the resulting greenhouse gas emissions ???

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Reply #46 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 6:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:26pm:

School halls. Who's against school halls?

According to one survey, less than 2% of the schools asked.

People have been whingeing about demountables and lack of school infrastructure for years. A GFC happens, a government does something, and it's bad news.

School halls. What a lot of utter rotters.

you think schools are going to complain about being given free stuff? even stuff they either don't need or isn't very useful? of course not. any assessment of the value for money or need for the BER would need to be done by someone other than schools or builders or other group not with a conflict of interest.

What do you think they should have built instead? Westfield shopping centres?

The KRudd Memorial Westfields in Fishwick, ACT. That'll go down in history.

apart from the silliness of the westfield shopping centre, at least the people who paid for it (us) would get to use it!!!

To spend it on the Bruce Highway puts the money in the hands of a select few ... resulting in very little stimulating for the broader majority of the country. Spending it on someone thing like home insulation spreads small amounts all over the country.

Afterall, The point was not to spend the money but to stimulate the economy.

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

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Reply #47 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:14pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 8:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:22pm:

I've never really understood how funding pink batts made the government responsible for the accidental deaths of independent contractors installing them.

Governments fund all sorts of things - wars, prisons, emergency services, pharmaceuticals. How many people have overdosed on drugs funded under the PBS?

Explain that one, leftards.

ive never understood why of all the industries in Australia rudd chose insulation. were there not 100 other industries that could have shared in the cash which would have stimulated the economy just as well, yet not overdone it so badly?

Perhaps. Who's to blame though - the government who funds it, or the people who clamoured to get them in their homes?

I believe Andrei had them put in his rental property. Nice pink ones. All gratis, of course.

Andrei hates the government for that one. Mind you, he votes in the UK.

again... few people say no to free stuff. That doesn't mean it was right. The stimulus - which apparently we needed long term - could have fixed the bruce highway. It could have built water infrastructure like Howard contracted, then Rudd cancelled and never visited again. all that money and we have so little to show for it. BER is fine for some but hear the stories of people trying to get their own homes built at normal prices while builders were off building school halls at huge profit.

other stimulus ideas:

Taking the GST off cars and other charges to stimulate sales
reducing company tax for a year
eliminate payroll tax for a year to save jobs
Build dams for struggling farming communities
Fix roads

but what did we get??? pink friggin batts and school halls. for $200B I expected a hell of a lot more.

Longy, if I remember rightly, you opposed each and every stimulus measure during the GFC. You would have opposed all those things you mention above, and God forbid anyone building a road or getting no payroll tax getting killed on the job.

You’d have blamed the government no matter what.

Mind you, if it was a Howard government...

what stimulus measures? a massive cash giveaway of which less than 20% made it into stimulatory spending or the BER which spent money with little regard for value or need or the pink batts which addressed just ONE industry out of hundreds and sent companies to the wall as a result.

nothing to criticse there, is there? I gave my suggestsion. Each one of them far worthier and far more effective than one-man-bands idea from the back of an envelope.

not one meter of road building.

Rudds stimulus was crap.

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Reply #48 - Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:15pm

Dnarever wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 10:46pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:22pm:

I've never really understood how funding pink batts made the government responsible for the accidental deaths of independent contractors installing them.

Governments fund all sorts of things - wars, prisons, emergency services, pharmaceuticals. How many people have overdosed on drugs funded under the PBS?

Explain that one, leftards.

ive never understood why of all the industries in Australia rudd chose insulation. were there not 100 other industries that could have shared in the cash which would have stimulated the economy just as well, yet not overdone it so badly?

You think it may be because investing in home insulation has the carry on benefits of reducing power consumption thus reducing power bills and also the resulting greenhouse gas emissions ???

if you are aiming to stimulate an ECONOMY you do so by doing so to an ENTIRE economy not one tiny sector.

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #49 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:17am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 8:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:22pm:

I've never really understood how funding pink batts made the government responsible for the accidental deaths of independent contractors installing them.

Governments fund all sorts of things - wars, prisons, emergency services, pharmaceuticals. How many people have overdosed on drugs funded under the PBS?

Explain that one, leftards.

ive never understood why of all the industries in Australia rudd chose insulation. were there not 100 other industries that could have shared in the cash which would have stimulated the economy just as well, yet not overdone it so badly?

Perhaps. Who's to blame though - the government who funds it, or the people who clamoured to get them in their homes?

I believe Andrei had them put in his rental property. Nice pink ones. All gratis, of course.

Andrei hates the government for that one. Mind you, he votes in the UK.

again... few people say no to free stuff. That doesn't mean it was right. The stimulus - which apparently we needed long term - could have fixed the bruce highway. It could have built water infrastructure like Howard contracted, then Rudd cancelled and never visited again. all that money and we have so little to show for it. BER is fine for some but hear the stories of people trying to get their own homes built at normal prices while builders were off building school halls at huge profit.

other stimulus ideas:

Taking the GST off cars and other charges to stimulate sales
reducing company tax for a year
eliminate payroll tax for a year to save jobs
Build dams for struggling farming communities
Fix roads

but what did we get??? pink friggin batts and school halls. for $200B I expected a hell of a lot more.

Longy, if I remember rightly, you opposed each and every stimulus measure during the GFC. You would have opposed all those things you mention above, and God forbid anyone building a road or getting no payroll tax getting killed on the job.

You’d have blamed the government no matter what.

Mind you, if it was a Howard government...

what stimulus measures? a massive cash giveaway of which less than 20% made it into stimulatory spending or the BER which spent money with little regard for value or need or the pink batts which addressed just ONE industry out of hundreds and sent companies to the wall as a result.

nothing to criticse there, is there? I gave my suggestsion. Each one of them far worthier and far more effective than one-man-bands idea from the back of an envelope.

One-man band, eh? Guess who dreamed up the pink batts scheme.

Yes, the department of environment when Howard was in office.

Still, criticize away - knock yourself out. My suggestion is that blaming the government for the deaths of contractors is a great leap of faith.

Anyone blame the government for asbestos? Dodgy army catering? The old war wound?

How many Vietnam vets do you hear blaming Harold Holt for their tinitus and alcoholism the way Bolt et al blame Rudd personally for pink batt installation deaths on an almost daily basis?

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Reply #50 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 6:54am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:28am:

what is wrong with independentaustralia??? are you serious? it is a blatantly pro-labor site with 100% anti-liberal articles. it doesn't even pretend to be unbiased. Read the comments and what do you see? yes that's right. 100% virulently anti-abbot posts. Ever tried to get a comment published there? they are always rejected unless they are abbott attacking, labor supporting drivel.

most of the articles are grossly inaccurate and the rest show bias that is embarrassingly obvious.

if you want to make your point you need to do so with articles that at least make an attempt to not be biased. The author - Bob Ellis - is so biased and so crazy hat even the ALP have distanced themselves from him.

You mean like murdoch rags?

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #51 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 9:33am

Karnal wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 8:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:22pm:

I've never really understood how funding pink batts made the government responsible for the accidental deaths of independent contractors installing them.

Governments fund all sorts of things - wars, prisons, emergency services, pharmaceuticals. How many people have overdosed on drugs funded under the PBS?

Explain that one, leftards.

ive never understood why of all the industries in Australia rudd chose insulation. were there not 100 other industries that could have shared in the cash which would have stimulated the economy just as well, yet not overdone it so badly?

Perhaps. Who's to blame though - the government who funds it, or the people who clamoured to get them in their homes?

I believe Andrei had them put in his rental property. Nice pink ones. All gratis, of course.

Andrei hates the government for that one. Mind you, he votes in the UK.

again... few people say no to free stuff. That doesn't mean it was right. The stimulus - which apparently we needed long term - could have fixed the bruce highway. It could have built water infrastructure like Howard contracted, then Rudd cancelled and never visited again. all that money and we have so little to show for it. BER is fine for some but hear the stories of people trying to get their own homes built at normal prices while builders were off building school halls at huge profit.

other stimulus ideas:

Taking the GST off cars and other charges to stimulate sales
reducing company tax for a year
eliminate payroll tax for a year to save jobs
Build dams for struggling farming communities
Fix roads

but what did we get??? pink friggin batts and school halls. for $200B I expected a hell of a lot more.

Longy, if I remember rightly, you opposed each and every stimulus measure during the GFC. You would have opposed all those things you mention above, and God forbid anyone building a road or getting no payroll tax getting killed on the job.

You’d have blamed the government no matter what.

Mind you, if it was a Howard government...

what stimulus measures? a massive cash giveaway of which less than 20% made it into stimulatory spending or the BER which spent money with little regard for value or need or the pink batts which addressed just ONE industry out of hundreds and sent companies to the wall as a result.

nothing to criticse there, is there? I gave my suggestsion. Each one of them far worthier and far more effective than one-man-bands idea from the back of an envelope.

One-man band, eh? Guess who dreamed up the pink batts scheme.

Yes, the department of environment when Howard was in office.

Still, criticize away - knock yourself out. My suggestion is that blaming the government for the deaths of contractors is a great leap of faith.

Anyone blame the government for asbestos? Dodgy army catering? The old war wound?

How many Vietnam vets do you hear blaming Harold Holt for their tinitus and alcoholism the way Bolt et al blame Rudd personally for pink batt installation deaths on an almost daily basis?

care to support that with a fact or two?

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Reply #53 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:37am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 9:33am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 8:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:22pm:

I've never really understood how funding pink batts made the government responsible for the accidental deaths of independent contractors installing them.

Governments fund all sorts of things - wars, prisons, emergency services, pharmaceuticals. How many people have overdosed on drugs funded under the PBS?

Explain that one, leftards.

ive never understood why of all the industries in Australia rudd chose insulation. were there not 100 other industries that could have shared in the cash which would have stimulated the economy just as well, yet not overdone it so badly?

Perhaps. Who's to blame though - the government who funds it, or the people who clamoured to get them in their homes?

I believe Andrei had them put in his rental property. Nice pink ones. All gratis, of course.

Andrei hates the government for that one. Mind you, he votes in the UK.

again... few people say no to free stuff. That doesn't mean it was right. The stimulus - which apparently we needed long term - could have fixed the bruce highway. It could have built water infrastructure like Howard contracted, then Rudd cancelled and never visited again. all that money and we have so little to show for it. BER is fine for some but hear the stories of people trying to get their own homes built at normal prices while builders were off building school halls at huge profit.

other stimulus ideas:

Taking the GST off cars and other charges to stimulate sales
reducing company tax for a year
eliminate payroll tax for a year to save jobs
Build dams for struggling farming communities
Fix roads

but what did we get??? pink friggin batts and school halls. for $200B I expected a hell of a lot more.

Longy, if I remember rightly, you opposed each and every stimulus measure during the GFC. You would have opposed all those things you mention above, and God forbid anyone building a road or getting no payroll tax getting killed on the job.

You’d have blamed the government no matter what.

Mind you, if it was a Howard government...

what stimulus measures? a massive cash giveaway of which less than 20% made it into stimulatory spending or the BER which spent money with little regard for value or need or the pink batts which addressed just ONE industry out of hundreds and sent companies to the wall as a result.

nothing to criticse there, is there? I gave my suggestsion. Each one of them far worthier and far more effective than one-man-bands idea from the back of an envelope.

One-man band, eh? Guess who dreamed up the pink batts scheme.

Yes, the department of environment when Howard was in office.

Still, criticize away - knock yourself out. My suggestion is that blaming the government for the deaths of contractors is

a great leap of faith.

Anyone blame the government for asbestos? Dodgy army catering? The old war wound?

How many Vietnam vets do you hear blaming Harold Holt for their tinitus and alcoholism the way Bolt et al blame Rudd personally for pink batt installation deaths on an almost daily basis?

care to support that with a fact or two
?

Really?
Now, why would anyone else do something that YOU AVOID LIKE THE PLAGUE?
Do as I say hey, not as I do!

Not everyone takes a leap of faith, quite like you, Longy!
Most people want reasonable & reasoned proof these days, in both Religion & Politics, with the result that the the band of "believers", in both Religion & Politics, is diminishing with time!

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Reply #54 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

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Reply #55 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

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Reply #56 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

after the war not during the war

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Reply #57 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:54am

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

after the war not during the war

Correct, that's what I said?

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Reply #58 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:58am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

the only reason that roads were built was for the war effort nothing more nothing less

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Reply #59 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:02am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

The above chart disagrees with you, Longy!

But, there's nothing unusual about that, as you still have NFI!

The act is the US & Global Economy was heading down the toilet again, until the largest "stimulus program ever seen got underway, due to WW2!

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