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Reply #60 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:10am

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:02am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

http://stockcharts.com/freecharts/historical/images/djia1900s.png

The above chart disagrees with you, Longy!

But, there's nothing unusual about that, as you still have NFI!

The act is the US & Global Economy was heading down the toilet again, until the largest "stimulus program ever seen got underway, due to WW2!

a share-price index chart?????? that's your 'proof' regarding road-building????

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Reply #61 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12am

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

the only reason that roads were built was for the war effort nothing more nothing less

the road building project started 5 years BEFORE WW2 and 7 years before USA entered the war.

road building is THET standard stimulus package which of course our stupid labor govt didn't go with.

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #62 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

Well why not do it again since there are @ least 400k more unemployed ppl than jobs

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #63 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:24am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

the only reason that roads were built was for the war effort nothing more nothing less

the road building project started 5 years BEFORE WW2 and 7 years before USA entered the war.

road building is THET standard stimulus package which of course our stupid labor govt didn't go with.

As I have said previously Longy, YOU HAVE NFI!

That is a self defeating argument!

You are saying that those packages, which "saved" the Economy, started around 1934-1936, BUT the Economy was on the ropes again, as indicated by the share market, from around 1937-1942, before the massive WW2 stimulus started having its impact around 1942.

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Reply #64 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:27am

The "New Deal" was alot more than just building roads

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Public Works Administration Project: Bonneville Dam.

To prime the pump and cut unemployment, the NIRA created the Public Works Administration (PWA), a major program of public works, which organized and provided funds for the building of useful works such as government buildings, airports, hospitals, schools, roads, bridges, and dams.[50] From 1933 to 1935 PWA spent $3.3 billion with private companies to build 34,599 projects, many of them quite large.[51]

Under Roosevelt, many unemployed persons were put to work on a wide range of government financed public works projects, building bridges, airports, dams, post offices, courthouses, and thousands of miles of road. Through reforestation and flood control, they reclaimed millions of hectares of soil from erosion and devastation. As noted by one authority, Roosevelt's New Deal "was literally stamped on the American landscape".[52]

However as a consequence of this initiative

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The "Second New Deal" in 1935–38 included the Wagner Act to promote labor unions, the Works Progress Administration (WPA) relief program (which made the federal government by far the largest single employer in the nation),[4] the Social Security Act, and new programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. The final major items of New Deal legislation were the creation of the United States Housing Authority and Farm Security Administration, both in 1937, and the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, which set maximum hours and minimum wages for most categories of workers.[5]

Seeing as you & other Conservatives tell us government over employs, public servants are useless, & the private sector can do the job cheaper & faster, it would stand to reason the shrill calls of ,

COMMUNISM
SOCIALISM

Would have been screamed long & loud by you & 99.9% of your ilk here.

So whilst now you say build roads at the time no matter what the government decided to stimulate you would have been against.

Intellectual Dishonesty?

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #65 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:38am

Sir Spot of Borg wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

Well why not do it again since there are @ least 400k more unemployed ppl than jobs

SOB

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sigh... That was kinda my point!

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #66 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:41am

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:24am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:12am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:58am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:50am:

perceptions_now wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:39am:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Correct, WW2 AND A MASSIVE BABY BOOM THAT FOLLOWED!

you are both wrong. while the war did pull the world out of the depression for good what began the process was American construction of roads - mainly cement - as a stimulus program to get the masses of unemployed working again.

try reading some history people.

the only reason that roads were built was for the war effort nothing more nothing less

the road building project started 5 years BEFORE WW2 and 7 years before USA entered the war.

road building is THET standard stimulus package which of course our stupid labor govt didn't go with.

As I have said previously Longy, YOU HAVE NFI!

That is a self defeating argument!

You are saying that those packages, which "saved" the Economy, started around 1934-1936, BUT the Economy was on the ropes again, as indicated by the share market, from around 1937-1942, before the massive WW2 stimulus started having its impact around 1942.

read some economics books will you just for once?? the road-building stimulus is credited with being the initiative that started the process of dragging the USA out of the intractable depression. On one hand you support stimulus - as long as it is your version of it of course - but reject historical examples of it that were successful.

you are one complex, twisted and dopy drongo.

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Re: Where is this budget emergency
Reply #67 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:45am

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:27am:

The "New Deal" was alot more than just building roads

Quote:

Public works
Public Works Administration Project: Bonneville Dam.

To prime the pump and cut unemployment, the NIRA created the Public Works Administration (PWA), a major program of public works, which organized and provided funds for the building of useful works such as government buildings, airports, hospitals, schools, roads, bridges, and dams.[50] From 1933 to 1935 PWA spent $3.3 billion with private companies to build 34,599 projects, many of them quite large.[51]

Under Roosevelt, many unemployed persons were put to work on a wide range of government financed public works projects, building bridges, airports, dams, post offices, courthouses, and thousands of miles of road. Through reforestation and flood control, they reclaimed millions of hectares of soil from erosion and devastation. As noted by one authority, Roosevelt's New Deal "was literally stamped on the American landscape".[52]

However as a consequence of this initiative

Quote:

The "Second New Deal" in 1935–38 included the Wagner Act to promote labor unions, the Works Progress Administration (WPA) relief program (which made the federal government by far the largest single employer in the nation),[4] the Social Security Act, and new programs to aid tenant farmers and migrant workers. The final major items of New Deal legislation were the creation of the United States Housing Authority and Farm Security Administration, both in 1937, and the Fair Labor Standards Act of 1938, which set maximum hours and minimum wages for most categories of workers.[5]

Seeing as you & other Conservatives tell us government over employs, public servants are useless, & the private sector can do the job cheaper & faster, it would stand to reason the shrill calls of ,

COMMUNISM
SOCIALISM

Would have been screamed long & loud by you & 99.9% of your ilk here.

So whilst now you say build roads at the time no matter what the government decided to stimulate you would have been against.

Intellectual Dishonesty?

well thank you for supporting my position about the road-building program. And yes it was more than just roads but it was the building of roads and the like infrastructure. and what parallel do you see between this successful and effective stimulus and the labor stimulus? little to no infrastructure building. no roads, definitely no dams, lots of $ giveaways.

labors stimulus was pitiful. overspent, woefully inefficient and misdirected. the only people who stand an applaud this are those that see that we emerged from the GFC as worlds-best economy yet somehow ignore the fact that we went INTO the GFC as worlds-best economy. Its that old delusion that we discussed earlier that somehow 20 years of reform and sacrifice were irrelevant.

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Reply #68 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:06pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

John Smith wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 6:18pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:37pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:35pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:29pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:26pm:

School halls. Who's against school halls?

According to one survey, less than 2% of the schools asked.

People have been whingeing about demountables and lack of school infrastructure for years. A GFC happens, a government does something, and it's bad news.

School halls. What a lot of utter rotters.

you think schools are going to complain about being given free stuff? even stuff they either don't need or isn't very useful? of course not. any assessment of the value for money or need for the BER would need to be done by someone other than schools or builders or other group not with a conflict of interest.

What do you think they should have built instead? Westfield shopping centres?

The KRudd Memorial Westfields in Fishwick, ACT. That'll go down in history.

apart from the silliness of the westfield shopping centre, at least the people who paid for it (us) would get to use it!!!

To spend it on the Bruce Highway puts the money in the hands of a select few ... resulting in very little stimulating for the broader majority of the country. Spending it on someone thing like home insulation spreads small amounts all over the country.

Afterall, The point was not to spend the money but to stimulate the economy.

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

no dumb is the person who thinks that making a statement like 'spend it on the Bruce Highway' and then thinks that is the same as the road building programmes used after the depression.

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Reply #69 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:10pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:45am:

well thank you for supporting my position about the road-building program. And yes it was more than just roads but it was the building of roads and the like infrastructure. and what parallel do you see between this successful and effective stimulus and the labor stimulus? little to no infrastructure building. no roads, definitely no dams, lots of $ giveaways.

labors stimulus was pitiful. overspent, woefully inefficient and misdirected. the only people who stand an applaud this are those that see that we emerged from the GFC as worlds-best economy yet somehow ignore the fact that we went INTO the GFC as worlds-best economy. Its that old delusion that we discussed earlier that somehow 20 years of reform and sacrifice were irrelevant.

The point is if Rudd had announced our very own New Deal building roads etc you would have bagged it.
No matter what Labor announced you would have bagged it, in fact you didn't even want stimulus & championed tax cuts as was the Liberals preferred action.

You could say through the ballot box we dodged a bullet.

Yet once again we are at the ballot box but it seems this time we will embrace the bullet through the stupid belief that Hockey's magic pudding of less tax, more welfare whilst paying down debt will actually come true.
And here you are arguing it will be so, which I just don't understand Undecided

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Reply #70 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:26pm

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:45am:

well thank you for supporting my position about the road-building program. And yes it was more than just roads but it was the building of roads and the like infrastructure. and what parallel do you see between this successful and effective stimulus and the labor stimulus? little to no infrastructure building. no roads, definitely no dams, lots of $ giveaways.

labors stimulus was pitiful. overspent, woefully inefficient and misdirected. the only people who stand an applaud this are those that see that we emerged from the GFC as worlds-best economy yet somehow ignore the fact that we went INTO the GFC as worlds-best economy. Its that old delusion that we discussed earlier that somehow 20 years of reform and sacrifice were irrelevant.

The point is if Rudd had announced our very own New Deal building roads etc you would have bagged it.
No matter what Labor announced you would have bagged it, in fact you didn't even want stimulus & championed tax cuts as was the Liberals preferred action.

You could say through the ballot box we dodged a bullet.

Yet once again we are at the ballot box but it seems this time we will embrace the bullet through the stupid belief that Hockey's magic pudding of less tax, more welfare whilst paying down debt will actually come true.
And here you are arguing it will be so, which I just don't understand Undecided

well, we will never know, will we? because instead of a 'new deal' we got over-priced halls, insulation that people should have bought themselves long ago and cash thrown away - the majority of which wasn't spent. tax cuts ARE a stimulus and we used in other countries eg the USA.

Id appreciate it if you shown the intellectual honesty to bag what I actually said, not some imagination of what you think I might have said in some imaginary hypothetic situation. I don't expect much from most of the rudd-lover clowns but I do expect more from you.

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Reply #71 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:26pm:

Dsmithy70 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:10pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:45am:

well thank you for supporting my position about the road-building program. And yes it was more than just roads but it was the building of roads and the like infrastructure. and what parallel do you see between this successful and effective stimulus and the labor stimulus? little to no infrastructure building. no roads, definitely no dams, lots of $ giveaways.

labors stimulus was pitiful. overspent, woefully inefficient and misdirected. the only people who stand an applaud this are those that see that we emerged from the GFC as worlds-best economy yet somehow ignore the fact that we went INTO the GFC as worlds-best economy. Its that old delusion that we discussed earlier that somehow 20 years of reform and sacrifice were irrelevant.

The point is if Rudd had announced our very own New Deal building roads etc you would have bagged it.
No matter what Labor announced you would have bagged it, in fact you didn't even want stimulus & championed tax cuts as was the Liberals preferred action.

You could say through the ballot box we dodged a bullet.

Yet once again we are at the ballot box but it seems this time we will embrace the bullet through the stupid belief that Hockey's magic pudding of less tax, more welfare whilst paying down debt will actually come true.
And here you are arguing it will be so, which I just don't understand Undecided

well, we will never know, will we? because instead of a 'new deal' we got over-priced halls, insulation that people should have bought themselves long ago and cash thrown away - the majority of which wasn't spent. tax cuts ARE a stimulus and we used in other countries eg the USA.

Id appreciate it if you shown the intellectual honesty to bag what I actually said, not some imagination of what you think I might have said in some imaginary hypothetic situation. I don't expect much from most of the rudd-lover clowns but I do expect more from you.

Why would I bag a good idea?
Stimulus along the lines of the New Deal would have been even better than what we got.
What we got, school Halls & insulation were both good ideas(although you'll never admit that) for reasons rehashed here a million times so I'm not bothering again.
The cheques we could have done without, if more stimulus was required it could have been done better, but it was the cherry on top so to speak & not an essential to staving off recession & keeping the bulk of people employed.

I hardly think using the USA or the UK as examples of success at avoiding the GFC is wise, the UK heading for its triple dip & the US whilst improving is still well & truly buggered.
The tax cuts did not stimulate the economy & therefore keep people in their jobs, when your not working your not paying tax so therefore they are worthless.

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Reply #72 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:15pm

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Oh no no no. They would have laid all those roads and airfields anyway.

Bridge over the River Quai, the Kokoda Trail, the Birdsville Track - all a big stimulus measure to end the Great Depression. Successful, no?

And do you know? Rudd should have done it all again.

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Reply #73 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 9:33am:

Karnal wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:17am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:14pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 8:19pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:36pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:31pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:27pm:

Karnal wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 5:22pm:

I've never really understood how funding pink batts made the government responsible for the accidental deaths of independent contractors installing them.

Governments fund all sorts of things - wars, prisons, emergency services, pharmaceuticals. How many people have overdosed on drugs funded under the PBS?

Explain that one, leftards.

ive never understood why of all the industries in Australia rudd chose insulation. were there not 100 other industries that could have shared in the cash which would have stimulated the economy just as well, yet not overdone it so badly?

Perhaps. Who's to blame though - the government who funds it, or the people who clamoured to get them in their homes?

I believe Andrei had them put in his rental property. Nice pink ones. All gratis, of course.

Andrei hates the government for that one. Mind you, he votes in the UK.

again... few people say no to free stuff. That doesn't mean it was right. The stimulus - which apparently we needed long term - could have fixed the bruce highway. It could have built water infrastructure like Howard contracted, then Rudd cancelled and never visited again. all that money and we have so little to show for it. BER is fine for some but hear the stories of people trying to get their own homes built at normal prices while builders were off building school halls at huge profit.

other stimulus ideas:

Taking the GST off cars and other charges to stimulate sales
reducing company tax for a year
eliminate payroll tax for a year to save jobs
Build dams for struggling farming communities
Fix roads

but what did we get??? pink friggin batts and school halls. for $200B I expected a hell of a lot more.

Longy, if I remember rightly, you opposed each and every stimulus measure during the GFC. You would have opposed all those things you mention above, and God forbid anyone building a road or getting no payroll tax getting killed on the job.

You’d have blamed the government no matter what.

Mind you, if it was a Howard government...

what stimulus measures? a massive cash giveaway of which less than 20% made it into stimulatory spending or the BER which spent money with little regard for value or need or the pink batts which addressed just ONE industry out of hundreds and sent companies to the wall as a result.

nothing to criticse there, is there? I gave my suggestsion. Each one of them far worthier and far more effective than one-man-bands idea from the back of an envelope.

One-man band, eh? Guess who dreamed up the pink batts scheme.

Yes, the department of environment when Howard was in office.

Still, criticize away - knock yourself out. My suggestion is that blaming the government for the deaths of contractors is a great leap of faith.

Anyone blame the government for asbestos? Dodgy army catering? The old war wound?

How many Vietnam vets do you hear blaming Harold Holt for their tinitus and alcoholism the way Bolt et al blame Rudd personally for pink batt installation deaths on an almost daily basis?

care to support that with a fact or two?

Common knowledge, innit - like the road building that got us out of the Great Depression.

Can you imagine the Rudd dreaming up the Pink Batts Scheme all on his own? A year into office?

Even for a One-Man Band like Rudd - not possible.

The idea was originally pitched to Turnbull as part of Australia's CO2 emissions target under Howard. It was one of those "Direct Action" schemes Mr Abbott's taken so fondly to. When the GFC hit, Rudd scouted around for stimulus ideas, and this one fit the Rudd environment plan nicely.

My source is Peter Hartcher, SMH political editor.

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Reply #74 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:29pm

Karnal wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:15pm:

John S wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:31am:

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 21^st, 2013 at 11:12pm:

road building was THE STIMULUS project used to end the great depression. you get dumber the more you post.

learn a bit of history longy it wasn't road building that was used to end the great depression it was the Second World War

Oh no no no. They would have laid all those roads and airfields anyway.

Bridge over the River Quai, the Kokoda Trail, the Birdsville Track - all a big stimulus measure to end the Great Depression. Successful, no?

And do you know? Rudd should have done it all again.

i think rudd did the kokoda trail with hockey. i bet they had porters. kevvy would have been great on the river kwai. would have talked so much the japs would have surrendered just to get away from him.

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