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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #75 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 5:16am

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 4:33am:

Judging by the tone of the phone call to emergency services, I can assume that Lane had about 2 minutes of emergency service help delayed by the caller. Not that I am condemning the caller at all. Just that she didn't seem to have a clue as to how serious the shooting was, and how you could bleed out in minutes. The 911 dispatcher didn't seem all that fussed either, but I'm assuming that she did efficiently dispatch an ambulance and police to the scene. But atleast the caller didn't do something like keep walking or assume that the guy was drunk, like some have. So, good on her for that.

And what if there was nobody there to ring 911?

Someone collapses on the ground, 911 assumes the worse case scenario.

Unlikely lane would have survived with a shot in a chest even if he was shot in the car park of a major hospital.
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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #76 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 5:19am

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Yet charging $4.50 for a coffee and $7.50 for a sandwich isn't.

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It's called corporate capitalism that is pampered and protected by the state welfare system.

This form of fascism is legal.

As long as people don't threaten this tyrannical slave system, everyone can go about their daily routine living as slaves and consumers

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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #77 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:36am

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:43am:

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:27pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm:

Really?
I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted.

How would you feel if you were?

What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them?

I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails.

But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia.

yeah uh...maybe you shouldn't carry knives and pepper spray then?

Where does this idea you can't defend yourself come from?

In the real world, violence isn't a planned and agreed to thing. One must often act pre-emtively, with weapons of some sort to avoid the worst of it. Waiting to get punched in the face or pushed to the ground before you retaliate too late. Last time I checked, you could only carry a small pen-knife in Australia, which won't help when poo gets real.

Here's a phrase you should memorise:

"I feared for my life and I didn't want to hurt anyone."

Say this, and you won't be seeing court, let alone the inside of a prison cell. Well, not unless you stop "pre-emptively" attacking people with knives and pepper spray.

Just how many times have you been jumped anyway? Perhaps you should stay away from those places?

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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #78 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:27pm

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in.

The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear ..

I don't live in fear.

Most people don't.

You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there.

As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately.

WINSTON: YOU SOUND LIKE A VICTIM. MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM AND THEREFORE NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT DARK ALLEY.

IF YOU WALK DOWN A DARK ALLEY AND GET BASHED OR RAPED YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR BEING A TOUGH GUY AND NOT USING YOUR BRAINS!!

MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES CONFIDENCE. IT ALSO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO SPEND ALL DAY AND NIGHT(HELLO METH!!) TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PREY AKA VICTIMS!!

DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT QUOTE ON CRIMINAL MIND THE OTHER DAY ON THE SUBJECT OF 'SECURITY' BY, i think, Helen Keller!

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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #79 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm

... wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:36am:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:43am:

... wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 11:06pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:27pm:

Life_goes_on wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:10pm:

Really?
I don't go around thinking I'm about to be assaulted.

How would you feel if you were?

What if you were out walking alone one evening, minding your own business, out of view and earshot of anyone and you were approached by a thug intent on beating, robbing or raping you? This happens quite frequently, you can see it in the crime statistics. He doesn't care about the law and there are no police men around to protect you. What is stopping any thug from preying upon you or anyone else smaller or weaker than them?

I have been randomly assaulted on many occasions, just by resisting thuggery or refusing to shut my mouth. The only thing that stopped me from being beaten to death or into a vegetative coma are the fact that I was young and fit, had a bit of martial arts training (not that it really helps), but more importantly I was usually carrying a mobile phone, a long razor sharp knife and pepper spray, which I am able to deploy when fleeing fails.

But if something happened and I was caught I'd probably go to jail. Luckily for me I got through my younger years without anything serious happening. But unless you want to be submissive to any random thug who decides to make you his bitch, you have to face prison for defending yourself in Australia.

yeah uh...maybe you shouldn't carry knives and pepper spray then?

Where does this idea you can't defend yourself come from?

In the real world, violence isn't a planned and agreed to thing. One must often act pre-emtively, with weapons of some sort to avoid the worst of it. Waiting to get punched in the face or pushed to the ground before you retaliate too late. Last time I checked, you could only carry a small pen-knife in Australia, which won't help when poo gets real.

Here's a phrase you should memorise:

"I feared for my life and I didn't want to hurt anyone."

Say this, and you won't be seeing court, let alone the inside of a prison cell. Well, not unless you stop "pre-emptively" attacking people with knives and pepper spray.

Just how many times have you been jumped anyway? Perhaps you should stay away from those places?

Wrong, what you need to do to defend yourself in the real world is often more than the law would deem necessary, depending on the mental state of your assailant. You are looking at unlawful wounding charges at a minimum, if you are serious about minimising your own risk of GBH.

Also, your last comment is a logical fallacy. Roll Eyes

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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #80 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:40pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in.

The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear ..

I don't live in fear.

Most people don't.

You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there.

As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately.

WINSTON: YOU SOUND LIKE A VICTIM. MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM AND THEREFORE NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT DARK ALLEY.

IF YOU WALK DOWN A DARK ALLEY AND GET BASHED OR RAPED YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR BEING A TOUGH GUY AND NOT USING YOUR BRAINS!!

MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES CONFIDENCE. IT ALSO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO SPEND ALL DAY AND NIGHT(HELLO METH!!) TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PREY AKA VICTIMS!!

DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT QUOTE ON CRIMINAL MIND THE OTHER DAY ON THE SUBJECT OF 'SECURITY' BY, i think, Helen Keller!

Cheesy

Cheer up buddy: your Dad was a dick like everyone elses! Cool

I think you need a better translation program, the one you are using now makes what you are typing look like gibberish.

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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #81 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:54pm

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 1:29am:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 23^rd, 2013 at 8:11am:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:03pm:

As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately.

Nor do I know anyone who has been bashed or raped lately.

Hence, I don't live my life in irrational fear.

Fear won't prevent one from becoming a victim.

No, being prepared to do whatever it takes will though. But this isn't about fear or statistics. It's about being able to meaningfully defend yourself against an assailant without breaking the law. Dismissing that assertion on the basis that you haven't personally been in that situation, is logically flawed. The only thing that might stop a thug is the consideration of the possibility they might die in the process.

Crack smokers are such tryhards!! Grin

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Reply #82 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:01pm

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:38pm:

Wrong, what you need to do to defend yourself in the real world is often more than the law would deem necessary, depending on the mental state of your assailant. You are looking at unlawful wounding charges at a minimum, if you are serious about minimising your own risk of GBH.

Also, your last comment is a logical fallacy. Roll Eyes

Sunshine can't empty his cup: MUST be a cracksmoker! Cheesy

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Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooh, crack makes people paranoid aswell, who would've thought staying up for days with the same losers would do that to ya??

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and Winston,... you're drug dealer aint all that buddy and you've actually had moments of clarity about that in the past haven't ya fella??

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Reply #83 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:03pm

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in.

The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear ..

I don't live in fear.

Most people don't.

You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there.

As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately.

WINSTON: YOU SOUND LIKE A VICTIM. MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM AND THEREFORE NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT DARK ALLEY.

IF YOU WALK DOWN A DARK ALLEY AND GET BASHED OR RAPED YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR BEING A TOUGH GUY AND NOT USING YOUR BRAINS!!

MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES CONFIDENCE. IT ALSO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO SPEND ALL DAY AND NIGHT(HELLO METH!!) TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PREY AKA VICTIMS!!

DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT QUOTE ON CRIMINAL MIND THE OTHER DAY ON THE SUBJECT OF 'SECURITY' BY, i think, Helen Keller!

Cheesy

Cheer up buddy: your Dad was a dick like everyone elses! Cool

I think you need a better translation program, the one you are using now makes what you are typing look like gibberish.

==>>well i best start learning to put words together like 'logical fallacy' to impress my crack smoking mates then ay bro!??! Wink

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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #84 - Aug 24^th, 2013 at 10:58pm

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 9:03pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:40pm:

BatteriesNotIncluded wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 8:27pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 4:03pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:41pm:

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

But these types of rubbish need to be disposed of, if there is any crack at all in the resolve of civil society, a culture will form around exploiting it, that is just the nature of living things. So sad and cruel as it may seem, just as with the boat people, a line HAS to be drawn and allowed to sink in.

The use of premeditated state-sanctioned killing as a form of punishment (or a "line") is certainly not the sign of a civilised society.

Winston Smith wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 3:30pm:

So basically we have to suck it up and live in fear ..

I don't live in fear.

Most people don't.

You are trying to argue that no price is too high to preserve the semantics definition of 'civil' even if it compromises what you set out to protect. I think there are logical flaws there.

As far as fear goes, you probably haven't been bashed, raped or intimidated lately.

WINSTON: YOU SOUND LIKE A VICTIM. MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES YOU NOT TO BE A VICTIM AND THEREFORE NOT TO WALK DOWN THAT DARK ALLEY.

IF YOU WALK DOWN A DARK ALLEY AND GET BASHED OR RAPED YOU ARE AT FAULT FOR BEING A TOUGH GUY AND NOT USING YOUR BRAINS!!

MARTIAL ARTS TEACHES CONFIDENCE. IT ALSO TEACHES THAT YOU CAN'T COMPETE WITH A BUNCH OF LOSERS WHO SPEND ALL DAY AND NIGHT(HELLO METH!!) TRYING TO FIND THE RIGHT PREY AKA VICTIMS!!

DIDN'T YOU HEAR THAT QUOTE ON CRIMINAL MIND THE OTHER DAY ON THE SUBJECT OF 'SECURITY' BY, i think, Helen Keller!

Cheesy

Cheer up buddy: your Dad was a dick like everyone elses! Cool

I think you need a better translation program, the one you are using now makes what you are typing look like gibberish.

==>>well i best start learning to put words together like 'logical fallacy' to impress my crack smoking mates then ay bro!??! Wink

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Re: Aussie baseball player killed.
Reply #85 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 8:46pm

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 5:16am:

UnSubRocky wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 4:33am:

Judging by the tone of the phone call to emergency services, I can assume that Lane had about 2 minutes of emergency service help delayed by the caller. Not that I am condemning the caller at all. Just that she didn't seem to have a clue as to how serious the shooting was, and how you could bleed out in minutes. The 911 dispatcher didn't seem all that fussed either, but I'm assuming that she did efficiently dispatch an ambulance and police to the scene. But atleast the caller didn't do something like keep walking or assume that the guy was drunk, like some have. So, good on her for that.

And what if there was nobody there to ring 911?

Someone collapses on the ground, 911 assumes the worse case scenario.

Unlikely lane would have survived with a shot in a chest even if he was shot in the car park of a major hospital.
Cry

I wasn't blaming the caller for Lane's situation. I was talking about the fact that the caller was talking with Lane about the fact that he was shot. I doubt that you could say that Lane wouldn't have survived the shot if he was in the car park of the major hospital. Seems that he could have been stabilised and saved had the call been made sooner.

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