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The NSW pollies acknowledge the Armenian genocide.
Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 9:12am

Firstly, Rudd dares to initiate a Conservative Party solution to the boat-people racket, and now ... another Conservative Party decision is made by the NSW government ... namely, recognising that the Muslim Turks initiated a genocide against the Armenians.

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Suddenly our politicians seem to have found their balls and ditched political correctness.

The NSW Turkish - and by extension, the Muslim community - won't be voting 'Liberal' at the next State election.

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True Colours Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2837 Gender:	Re: The NSW pollies acknowledge the Armenian genocide. Reply #1 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 9:59am It is a bit ironic that the Australian invasion and attacks on the Ottoman Empire caused the food shortages and famine that killed many Armenians. I see the whole thing has been pushed by extremist Islamophobe Fred Nile. There is a reason why Australians don't trust their politicians:
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Re: The NSW pollies acknowledge the Armenian genocide.
Reply #2 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:19am

How does Britain's former colonialism stack up against this genocide, True C?

The problem I have with you Muslims is that you never admit to any fault or guilt for misdeeds of the past and present.

It doesn't matter what anyone says, the response is always a childish white-wash of Muslims having done anything wrong.

It's why Muslims are generally viewed with suspicion by non-Muslims. You people simply cannot be trusted to admit to a fault if it means humbling yourselves, or justifying criticism of Islam or fellow Muslims.

The Armenian genocide.

True C ~ have you ever spoken to an Armenian, face to face, about the Armenian genocide, as I have?

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Reply #3 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:38am

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:19am:

The problem I have with you Muslims is that you never admit to any fault or guilt for misdeeds of the past and present.

First of all, Turkey was largely secular by the end of the 19th century.

Second of all, any misdeeds should be proven. There are a lot of points of contention with the so-called Armenian 'genocide'.

http://armeniangenocidelies.com

There are questions over the numbers and causes of deaths; the exact numbers of Armenaian deaths during WWI are far from certain. The causes of their deaths is also unknown. But what is known is that many Armenians died from either famine or during armed insurrection rather than from some sort of systematic genocide. A lot of the so-called historians who are for calling it a genocide largely rely on census figures as their central piece of evidence. This is a flawed approach as it fails to adequately take into account how many Armenians died from famine caused by the British blockade, how many Armenian militants died in violent rebellion, and how many Armenians simply immigrated to another country (like Joe Hockey's family).

A total of more than 37 million people died during WWI. About 6 million people died of starvation due to the blockades during the war. The largest number of victims of famine were in the Ottoman Empire. More than 2 million civilians starved to death in the Ottoman Empire during WWI. Was that a genocide caused by Australia and its allies?

What needs to be investigated more thoroughly is how many Armenians actually died due to a famine induced by a British blockade, and how many Armenians died due to their own violent insurrection against the Ottoman Empire.

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Reply #4 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:14pm

True Colours wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 11:38am:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:19am:

The problem I have with you Muslims is that you never admit to any fault or guilt for misdeeds of the past and present.

First of all, Turkey was largely secular by the end of the 19th century.

Second of all, any misdeeds should be proven. There are a lot of points of contention with the so-called Armenian 'genocide'.

http://armeniangenocidelies.com

There are questions over the numbers and causes of deaths; the exact numbers of Armenaian deaths during WWI are far from certain. The causes of their deaths is also unknown. But what is known is that many Armenians died from either famine or during armed insurrection rather than from some sort of systematic genocide. A lot of the so-called historians who are for calling it a genocide largely rely on census figures as their central piece of evidence. This is a flawed approach as it fails to adequately take into account how many Armenians died from famine caused by the British blockade, how many Armenian militants died in violent rebellion, and how many Armenians simply immigrated to another country (like Joe Hockey's family).

A total of more than 37 million people died during WWI. About 6 million people died of starvation due to the blockades during the war. The largest number of victims of famine were in the Ottoman Empire. More than 2 million civilians starved to death in the Ottoman Empire during WWI. Was that a genocide caused by Australia and its allies?

What needs to be investigated more thoroughly is how many Armenians actually died due to a famine induced by a British blockade, and how many Armenians died due to their own violent insurrection against the Ottoman Empire.

Isn't that from a neo-nazi propaganda website, and they just swapped Jews for Amenians and Turks for Nazis?

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Reply #5 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:30pm

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:19am:

The problem I have with you Muslims is that you never admit to any fault or guilt for misdeeds of the past and present.

It doesn't matter what anyone says, the response is always a childish white-wash of Muslims having done anything wrong.

Scary isn't it? The culture of Muslim nations is unbelievable. They can look you right in the eye with the cookie jar up to their elbow and they will still claim they never touched the thing. It is just denial all the time. Evidence doesn't matter even if caught red handed. Their belief is that as long as you deny, deny, deny, you are innocent.

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Re: The NSW pollies acknowledge the Armenian genocide.
Reply #6 - Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 1:12pm

Quantum wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 12:30pm:

Lord Herbert wrote on Aug 22^nd, 2013 at 10:19am:

The problem I have with you Muslims is that you never admit to any fault or guilt for misdeeds of the past and present.

It doesn't matter what anyone says, the response is always a childish white-wash of Muslims having done anything wrong.

Scary isn't it? The culture of Muslim nations is unbelievable. They can look you right in the eye with the cookie jar up to their elbow and they will still claim they never touched the thing. It is just denial all the time. Evidence doesn't matter even if caught red handed. Their belief is that as long as you deny, deny, deny, you are innocent.

If it's 9/11 ~ "Oh, that's not Islam".

If it's thousands killed in Iraq from Muslim sectarianism ~ "Oh, that's America's fault".

If 19 women are reported as having been raped in Cairo's main square by mobs of Islamist fundamentalists ~ "Oh, that's just the Western media telling lies".

And then we had hundreds of Sydney's Muslim community marching in our streets last Sunday highly upset that a fundamentalist, Islamist, West-hating government was forcibly removed from power in Egypt.

And they held banners calling for theocracy and the banning of democracy. That's Muslim immigrants right here in Sydney. Hundreds of them.

And the question begs: Who opened our national borders to let these enemies of our society come pouring into our generational homeland?

If ever an internecine war breaks out here in Australia between fundamentalist Muslims and The Rest ~ I'll be very late in arriving at the barricades.

I'll have my own Secret Police Unit searching out and executing the 2 to 3 hundred politicians most closely responsible for having actively engaged in facilitating an immigration program that included Muslims.

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