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Reply #30 - Aug 28th, 2013 at 4:19pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 4:12pm:
# wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 3:58pm:
Ajax wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 10:36pm:
# wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 8:58pm:
# wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 12:28pm:
Ajax wrote on Aug 26th, 2013 at 9:26pm:
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Either your very rich or plain stupid dumb.
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Or one of us is deluded.  Roll Eyes

Ajax wrote on Aug 27th, 2013 at 4:39pm:
You guys should educate yourselves on who exactly rules this world.
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I reckon you've just proven which one of us is deluded.  Roll Eyes



ignorance is bliss my friend.
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Which might explain why you keep ignoring the most knowledgeable.

There are good reasons why climate science deniers are a tiny minority - and none involve a conspiracy.


You're wrong dude.

The majority of people know that AGW is a scam based on a lie.

Can you substantiate that?
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Reply #31 - Aug 28th, 2013 at 4:42pm
 
From about 25 people at work 2 believe in AGW.

From my friends NONE.

From my family NONE.

If so many people believe in AGW, why not put it to the vote at these elections.

Well we kinda are in a way because Abbott said he would get rid of it, but that could also be because people have had a gut full of the labor green government.

That's why the labor/green government never put it to a vote.

Because the majority of Australian would've rejected it.

Even though they keep telling us the majority want it...??

How do they know...????
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Reply #32 - Aug 28th, 2013 at 9:28pm
 
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From about 25 people at work 2 believe in AGW.


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If so many people believe in AGW, why not put it to the vote at these elections.


For that matter, let's repeal the Universal Law of Gravitation. We should vote on it. Can we also vote on Dentistry? I find them to be such a pain. 

Anyway, all you've got is argumentum ad populum. A logical fallacy. It shows that you've lost the argument and are resorting to spamming every thread with recycled nonsense that is either slogan based or already disproven.
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Reply #34 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:29am
 
The truth always hurts and takes some time to digest. Tongue Undecided Cry
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Reply #35 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:36am
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:29am:
The truth always hurts and takes some time to digest. Tongue Undecided Cry


It does. I started this thread with the truth and factual evidence that could easily be verified.

You didn't dispute this in any point, but you ended the thread not with truth, but with opinion and the argumentum ad populum fallacy.

The facts always win against opinion.
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Reply #36 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:54am
 
muso wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:36am:
Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:29am:
The truth always hurts and takes some time to digest. Tongue Undecided Cry


It does. I started this thread with the truth and factual evidence that could easily be verified.

You didn't dispute this in any point, but you ended the thread not with truth, but with opinion and the argumentum ad populum fallacy.

The facts always win against opinion.


There is so many papers written on why the sun is responsible for all warming here on Earth its not funny,

Here are but a few,

(Baliunas & Jastrow 1990)
(Foukal & Lean 1990)
(Friis-Christensen & Lassen 1991)
(Lockwood et al 1992)
(Scuderi 1993)
(Charvatova & Strestik 1995)
(Balinius & Soon 1996-1998)
(Soon et al 1996)
(Hoyt & Schatten 1997)
(Nicola Scaffeta & Bruce J West 2008)

The sun warms the Earth which in turn charges the oceans and the land to release more CO2 into the atmosphere.

By the time the oceans heat up the CO2 lags the temperature by about 800 years.

And if the sun ever catches a cold and starts to cough on the Earth the amount of natural CO2 that could be released from the ecosystems would over shadow mans poultry little percentage.
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Reply #37 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 2:22pm
 
I recognise the names. They all work for the Heartland institute (or most of them do).
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Reply #38 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:12pm
 
muso wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 2:22pm:
I recognise the names. They all work for the Heartland institute (or most of them do).


So what are you insinuating that these scientists are spouting nonsense because you disagree with their views....?????

Can you prove them wrong.....??????
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Reply #39 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:21pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
muso wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 2:22pm:
I recognise the names. They all work for the Heartland institute (or most of them do).


So what are you insinuating that these scientists are spouting nonsense because you disagree with their views....?????
Don't their affiliations call their credibility into question? If their opinions are so significant, why are they such a tiny minority?

Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
Can you prove them wrong.....??????
Is that a reasonable demand to make? Can you "prove" them right?
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Reply #40 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:32pm
 
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:21pm:
Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
muso wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 2:22pm:
I recognise the names. They all work for the Heartland institute (or most of them do).


So what are you insinuating that these scientists are spouting nonsense because you disagree with their views....?????
Don't their affiliations call their credibility into question? If their opinions are so significant, why are they such a tiny minority?

Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
Can you prove them wrong.....??????
Is that a reasonable demand to make? Can you "prove" them right?



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Re: It's not the Sun
Reply #41 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:43pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:32pm:
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:21pm:
Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
muso wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 2:22pm:
I recognise the names. They all work for the Heartland institute (or most of them do).


So what are you insinuating that these scientists are spouting nonsense because you disagree with their views....?????
Don't their affiliations call their credibility into question? If their opinions are so significant, why are they such a tiny minority?

Ajax wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 6:12pm:
Can you prove them wrong.....??????
Is that a reasonable demand to make? Can you "prove" them right?

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I'll take that as acknowledgement of defeat.
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Reply #42 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:45pm
 
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:43pm:
I'll take that as acknowledgement of defeat.


Sometimes I wonder who the deniers really are.....???

What would you do if the AGW religion fell apart....??

You don't have to answer that. Cheesy
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Reply #43 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:49pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:45pm:
# wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:43pm:
I'll take that as acknowledgement of defeat.


Sometimes I wonder who the deniers really are.....???
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When it's convincingly established that the majority of the best qualified say there's no risk, I'll stop worrying.
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Reply #44 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm
 
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Evidence, not consensus, is what counts


My latest (and last) Mind and Matter column in the Wall Street Journal:

Last week a friend chided me for not agreeing with the scientific consensus that climate change is likely to be dangerous. I responded that, according to polls, the "consensus" about climate change only extends to the propositions that it has been happening and is partly man-made, both of which I readily agree with. Forecasts show huge uncertainty.

Besides, science does not respect consensus. There was once widespread agreement about phlogiston (a nonexistent element said to be a crucial part of combustion), eugenics, the impossibility of continental drift, the idea that genes were made of protein (not DNA) and stomach ulcers were caused by stress, and so forth—all of which proved false. Science, Richard Feyman once said, is "the belief in the ignorance of experts.

My friend objected that I seemed to follow the herd on matters like the reality of evolution and the safety of genetically modified crops, so why not on climate change? Ah, said I, but I don't. I agree with the majority view on evolution, not because it is a majority view but because I have looked at evidence. It's the data that convince me, not the existence of a consensus.

My friend said that I could not possibly have had time to check all the evidence for and against evolution, so I must be taking others' words for it. No, I said, I take on trust others' word that their facts are correct, but I judge their interpretations myself, with no thought as to how popular they are. (Much as I admire Charles Darwin, I get fidgety when his fans start implying he is infallible. If I want infallibility, I will join the Catholic Church.)

And that is where the problem lies with climate change. A decade ago, I was persuaded by two pieces of data to drop my skepticism and accept that dangerous climate change was likely. The first, based on the Vostok ice core, was a graph showing carbon dioxide and temperature varying in lock step over the last half million years. The second, the famous "hockey stick" graph, showed recent temperatures shooting up faster and higher than at any time in the past millennium.

Within a few years, however, I discovered that the first of these graphs told the opposite story from what I had inferred. In the ice cores, it is now clear that temperature drives changes in the level of carbon dioxide, not vice versa.

As for the "hockey stick" graph, it was effectively critiqued by Steven McIntyre, a Canadian businessman with a mathematical interest in climatology. He showed that the graph depended heavily on unreliable data, especially samples of tree rings from bristlecone pine trees, the growth patterns of which were often not responding to temperature at all. It also depended on a type of statistical filter that overweighted any samples showing sharp rises in the 20th century.


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