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Reply #45 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:23pm
 
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it is now clear that temperature drives changes in the level of carbon dioxide, not vice versa.


How many times do I have to repeat myself?

YES. THAT IS THE ESTABLISHED VIEW. OBVIOUSLY THE EARTH"S ORBITAL VARIATIONS DRIVES THE GLACIATIONS, NOT CO2.


Now please don't say that again as if anybody is actually claiming anything different.

Is somebody saying "Oh there was an emission of CO2 (it appeared by magic!), and this magic CO2 initiated the onset of the interglacial"

No they are NOT.


Orbital variations increase solar forcing, which drives off CO2 into the atmosphere, but it's not the whole story, as we previously discussed.  The increased solar irradiance only accounts for about 60% of the warming effect.
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Reply #46 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:03pm:
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Evidence, not consensus, is what counts

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the rest here
http://rationaloptimist.com/blog/i-may-follow-the-crowd,-but-not-because-it's-a-...
That link is to the blog of Matt Ridley. Of Matt Ridley, Sourcewatch says Quote:
Climate expertise unclear

It is unclear what expertise Mr. Ridley has developed that leaves him more qualified to assess climate science than 97% of actively publishing climate scientists.

2011 "skeptic bingo" denier speech

A speech Ridley gave in 2011 was "a textbook Gish Gallop, full of false claims, logical fallacies, and trivially true but irrelevant “facts”. It was...“skeptic” bingo", reported the host of the blog The Way Things Break; he characterized Ridley as "a techno-optimist of the Lomborgian mold", and debunked a few of Ridley's claims[3], noting inconsistencies and errors like:

    "Ridley wants us to know that the climate changed rapidly in the past- but yet we’re also supposed to believe that climate sensitivity is very small. He also flubs basic concepts- equilibrium sensitivity is not the same thing as transient sensitivity..."

Associations

Ridley sits on the advisory councils of the British lobby groups Sense About Science and Reform.

He is also on the Academic Advisory Council of the denialist Global Warming Policy Foundation[4]

Northern Rock bank failure

The failure of Northern Rock was the first run on a British Bank since 1878. Under his chairmanship, the bank pursued what the Treasury select committee later described as a "high-risk, reckless business strategy".[5] MPs identified the directors of Northern Rock as "the principal authors of the difficulties that the company has faced". They singled Ridley out for having failed "to provide against the risks that [Northern Rock] was taking and to act as an effective restraining force on the strategy of the executive members".

I should add that, to one who doesn't pretend to know how to find all of the necessary data, let alone analyse and interpret it, where the majority opinion lies is just about all there is.
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Reply #47 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 7:31pm
 
Hey your not bowerbird by any chance are...ya...??

Cause you certainly sound like her......!!!!
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1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery &  prison" Regas Feraeos
 
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Reply #48 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 9:32pm
 
Ajax wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 7:31pm:
Hey your not bowerbird by any chance are...ya...??

Cause you certainly sound like her......!!!!

Ajax, you'll need to be a bit more precise. To whom are you referring?
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