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UN - Rudd is inhumane,
Aug 22nd, 2013 at 11:30pm
 
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/18610852/detaining-of-refugees-inhuma...

Australia has been accused of almost 150 violations of international law by a United Nations committee for its "inhumane" indefinite detention of 46 refugees.

The United Nations Human Rights Committee has called for the mainly Tamil refugees to be freed and labelled their detention "cruel, inhumane and degrading".

The complaint was lodged three years ago by Professor Ben Saul from the University of Sydney's Centre for International Law.

He says the findings are embarrassing and will damage Australia's international reputation.

"We frequently criticise the human rights performance of other countries and yet we don't have our house in order," Professor Saul told AAP on Thursday.

The detainees were given refugee status, but were deemed a security threat and held in detention for at least two and a half years.

They say they've been unable to challenge the legality of their detention in Australian courts.

The UN body said their detention was arbitrary and broke the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Australia has 180 days to respond to the findings.

The federal government told the committee releasing classified details would compromise the assessment system and national security.

However it did explain the refugees posed one or more of three specific risks.

These were the threat of fomenting violence in Australia, providing a safe haven for organisations to prepare attacks against their homeland's government, and of raising funds in Australia for foreign terrorists.

Prof Saul is hopeful the findings will be enough to shift the government's position on indefinite detention.

"I think now it's really beyond doubt that these are very serious and numerous violations of international law," he said.

Amnesty International said Australia's policy of indefinite detention of refugees had become "an international embarrassment" and a stain on its legal system.

Meanwhile, the immigration department on Thursday released a three-minute subtitled video of asylum seekers on Papua New Guinea's Manus Island warning others not to take boat journeys to Australia.

Their faces are blurred out but their voices are clear as they describe their ordeals.

"Please, I'm asking people, it's a big mistake, please don't take this journey," one man says.

Another man describes how people smugglers promised him $10,000 on arrival in Australia.

He said they took him and other refugees to a small hut in a jungle.

There they were locked up with no proper food or water, and had to go to the toilet in plastic bags.

Immigration Minister Tony Burke said the men interviewed were offered no incentive and were not prompted or told what to say.

Australian Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young described the video as "hostage-style".
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Re: UN - Rudd is inhumane,
Reply #1 - Aug 22nd, 2013 at 11:58pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 11:30pm:
http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/18610852/detaining-of-refugees-inhuma...

Australia has been accused of almost 150 violations of international law by a United Nations committee for its "inhumane" indefinite detention of 46 refugees.

The United Nations Human Rights Committee has called for the mainly Tamil refugees to be freed and labelled their detention "cruel, inhumane and degrading".

The complaint was lodged three years ago by Professor Ben Saul from the University of Sydney's Centre for International Law.

He says the findings are embarrassing and will damage Australia's international reputation.

"We frequently criticise the human rights performance of other countries and yet we don't have our house in order," Professor Saul told AAP on Thursday.

The detainees were given refugee status, but were deemed a security threat and held in detention for at least two and a half years.

They say they've been unable to challenge the legality of their detention in Australian courts.

The UN body said their detention was arbitrary and broke the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.

Australia has 180 days to respond to the findings.

The federal government told the committee releasing classified details would compromise the assessment system and national security.

However it did explain the refugees posed one or more of three specific risks.

These were the threat of fomenting violence in Australia, providing a safe haven for organisations to prepare attacks against their homeland's government, and of raising funds in Australia for foreign terrorists.

Prof Saul is hopeful the findings will be enough to shift the government's position on indefinite detention.

"I think now it's really beyond doubt that these are very serious and numerous violations of international law," he said.

Amnesty International said Australia's policy of indefinite detention of refugees had become "an international embarrassment" and a stain on its legal system.

Meanwhile, the immigration department on Thursday released a three-minute subtitled video of asylum seekers on Papua New Guinea's Manus Island warning others not to take boat journeys to Australia.

Their faces are blurred out but their voices are clear as they describe their ordeals.

"Please, I'm asking people, it's a big mistake, please don't take this journey," one man says.

Another man describes how people smugglers promised him $10,000 on arrival in Australia.

He said they took him and other refugees to a small hut in a jungle.

There they were locked up with no proper food or water, and had to go to the toilet in plastic bags.

Immigration Minister Tony Burke said the men interviewed were offered no incentive and were not prompted or told what to say.

Australian Greens senator Sarah Hanson-Young described the video as "hostage-style".

Yes.  100% correct.


As you have just quoted:

They say they've been unable to challenge the legality of their detention in Australian courts.

The UN body said their detention was arbitrary and broke the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights.


- which is exactly what the Liberal Party wants to do too:

As part of the toughened policy, a Coalition government will scrap the right of asylum seekers to appeal to the courts...Opposition immigration spokesman Scott Morrison said the Coalition would return to a ''non-statutory'' process, in which a single caseworker would decide the fate of asylum seekers.


http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/tony-abbott-evok...

I assume that you will now be voting Green like other right-minded people?
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Reply #2 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 12:36am
 
Not possible maqqa. Getup and all the lefties have been too quiet. All must be good.
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Reply #3 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 12:45am
 
Yawn!
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Reply #4 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 5:51am
 
All the solutions proposed in the last few years have been deemed inhumane. Nothing new there.

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Reply #5 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 6:55am
 
Listen...

I hate Rudd just as much as the next guy but please...

would anyone listen to anything the brow beating UN had to say?

there's supposed to be human atrocities in Syria and other places around the world,, but oh no...

instead, the UN is worried about Australia where everyone gets treated like kings...

pahlease...  give me a break...  Roll Eyes

if you quote anything the UN says you lose credibility...
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Reply #6 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 8:56am
 
Maqqa's obsession with personalising everything is pathetic.

This isn't about Rudd. It's about successive Australian governments, both Liberal and Labor, who have pursued increasingly inhumane refugee policies.

This issue is Australia's shame internationally and the UN is just doing its job in pointing this out.
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Reply #7 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 9:38am
 
Maqqa wrote on Aug 22nd, 2013 at 11:30pm:
Meanwhile, the immigration department on Thursday released a three-minute subtitled video of asylum seekers on Papua New Guinea's Manus Island warning others not to take boat journeys to Australia.

Their faces are blurred out but their voices are clear as they describe their ordeals.

"Please, I'm asking people, it's a big mistake, please don't take this journey," one man says.

Another man describes how people smugglers promised him $10,000 on arrival in Australia.





this is the worst thing I have ever seen... one of our govt depts making videos of these people to undo what they should never have done in the first place.


this is the dregs of a govt completely unraveling..

its a shocker I am ashamed we would stoop to what pirates and kidnappers stoop too..

APPALLING LABOR APPALLING.
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Reply #8 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 9:42am
 
Peter Freedman wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 8:56am:
Maqqa's obsession with personalising everything is pathetic.

This isn't about Rudd. It's about successive Australian governments, both Liberal and Labor, who have pursued increasingly inhumane refugee policies.

This issue is Australia's shame internationally and the UN is just doing its job in pointing this out.



I disagree entirely when Labor took over there were 5 people on Nauru. and certainly no CHILDREN.... as has been pointed out by many LABOR people on here.. almost 65% of those people ended up in this country.. the rest went to countries that wanted them  even NZ......there was and always will be troublemakers they are not what i would call a true refugee...

what they put up with in our detention centres was nothing to what they would have put up with in MALAYSIA for instance....

everything they get is free even legalaid... its a joke.. because it isnt enough..I dont get free legalaid..and neither do you.
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Re: UN - Rudd is inhumane,
Reply #9 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 10:27am
 
Australia has been in CONSTANT violation of human rights and the UN Convention on the Status of Refugees began the day the Keating Government introduced mandatory detention ( ... albeit, with legal rights)

Australia's reputation plummeted FURTHER, with the Howard Government's off shore "FINAL SOLUTION" - as a means to REMOVE all legal rights

The "race to the bottom" on the human rights and treatment of refugees went into reverse under the FIRST Rudd Government - deteriorated under the Gillard Government - and took a side-step under the SECOND Rudd Government

Criticism from the UN is hardly anything NEW










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Reply #10 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:01am
 
progressiveslol wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 12:36am:
Getup and all the lefties have been too quiet. All must be good.






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Reply #11 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:03am
 
I wonder what the UN says about the liberals policy .... care to put that up Gumpy?
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Reply #12 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:07am
 
Macca and the UN are correct. Labor policy in this area is atrocious.

That is what they get for their Me Too decisions on Liberals miserable position.
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Reply #13 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:14am
 
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:03am:


I wonder what the UN says about the
liberals policy
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care to put that up Gumpy?






Being the drownings of all on board that occur when the boat sinks pointed to Indonesia - instead of Australia ?

A MASSIVE difference in - and far more humane - policy




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Reply #14 - Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:20am
 
buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:14am:
John Smith wrote on Aug 23rd, 2013 at 11:03am:


I wonder what the UN says about the
liberals policy
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care to put that up Gumpy?






Being the drownings of all on board that occur when the boat sinks pointed to Indonesia - instead of Australia ?

A MASSIVE difference in - and far more humane - policy







REALLY YOU HAVE THE LINK WHERE THE UN SAYS THAT???...


YOU SEE IF RUDD HADNT CHANGED THE PACIFIC SOLUTION THESE PEOPLE WOULD NEVER HAVE TRIED THE PEOPLE SMUGGLERS IN THE FIRST PLACE... SO HOW YOU CAN BLAME INDONESIA.. [VERY CONVENIENT] I DONT KNOW.


what on earth would you know about humane????


whats humane about getting asylum seekers to make videos telling people not to come here because of rudds stuff up...
faces blurred of course..

we look like terrorists.... they do that... Angry Angry Angry Angry Angry


what next??? I dread to think.. Angry Angry Angry Angry
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