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Reply #15 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 12:10am

lol I agree. This is too funny.

So lets take the approach of calculating how much water Australia sponged off the giving oceans.

Now lets play the game of life and reverse that affect. Doing the reverse tells us that Australia must have given the oceans water that it had previous held, thereby rising the sea levels.

So now we know why the sea levels have risen in the past. Australia was kindly giving the oceans its water. Now it is taking it back.

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Reply #16 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:47am

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 12:10am:

lol I agree. This is too funny.

So lets take the approach of calculating how much water Australia sponged off the giving oceans.

Now lets play the game of life and reverse that affect. Doing the reverse tells us that Australia must have given the oceans water that it had previous held, thereby rising the sea levels.

So now we know why the sea levels have risen in the past. Australia was kindly giving the oceans its water. Now it is taking it back.

I don't really believe that you are so incredibly thick that you can't check a simple calculation.

Can you see the dip for the storm seasons of 2010-11, and how it recovers again afterwards?

Make sense? Roll Eyes

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Reply #17 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 9:28am

muso wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:47am:

progressiveslol wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 12:10am:

lol I agree. This is too funny.

So lets take the approach of calculating how much water Australia sponged off the giving oceans.

Now lets play the game of life and reverse that affect. Doing the reverse tells us that Australia must have given the oceans water that it had previous held, thereby rising the sea levels.

So now we know why the sea levels have risen in the past. Australia was kindly giving the oceans its water. Now it is taking it back.

I don't really believe that you are so incredibly thick that you can't check a simple calculation.

http://skepticalscience.com//pics/sl_ns_global.png

Can you see the dip for the storm seasons of 2010-11, and how it recovers again afterwards?

Make sense? Roll Eyes

Excellent post muso!

I wonder if you can apply the same basic logic and intellectual rigour to the dangers of nuclear accident fallout and the health risks associated with internal exposure to radionuclidic particles?

It would be riveting reading to see how you insert the schism of applicability to both branches of science which are well supported by theory and observation/experiment.

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Reply #19 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:22am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 24^th, 2013 at 5:53pm:

Sorry you interrupt your jollies - but what is it you find funny?

Australia is a very large landmass that received an extraordinary amount of rainfall in 2010/11.

Australia is the smallest continent on Earth, well then what about the monsoons over Asia and the hurricane season in the America's.

Just exactly how much do they reduce the sea levels...???

When sea level rises it is due to global warming.

But when it falls it is due to too much rain over Australia..???

What a smacking joke........?????????

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Unlike other continental landmasses - the vast majority of this rainfall did not flow back to the oceans, but flowed to inland basins

Now why is that rabbit..??? water will always find its way to the lowest point being sea level, whether its on top of the ground or underground.

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When a very large amount of water does not flow back into the ocean when it would normally flow back into the ocean - what do you think might happen to the amount of water in the ocean.

You mean to tell me that the floods we had in QLD in those two years most of the water got soaked into the ground...????

That's a phurphy if I've ever heard one, you guys get really desperate to prove the theories of the IPCC are correct don't you.

Just because the IPCC said that sea levels would rise every year and for a few years they didn't rise, now your telling us that Australia drank all the rain water and it isn't about to give back up to the cycle that she's very much apart of.

Desperate dude.....aren't ya.....???????

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THink carefully.
THis is not a trick question.

Only the very gullible and algorians who have the faith would believe such tripe or even contemplate it.

You know rabbit you better get back in your hole cause most aussies can smell snake oil from miles away.

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Here is the peer-rewieved paper the article was referring to:

Why don't you explain to us what the researcher got wrong.
Could you do that?

http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/grl.50834/abstract

Peer reviewed by who.........??????

Other alarmist scientists on the AGW gravy train...???

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And just to help you out a little, the surface area of the worlds oceans is about 360 million km2
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ocean

A 7mm drop would therefore be about 2500 km3 in volume.

The Great Artesian Basin is estimated to hold some 65,000 km3 of groundwater
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Artesian_Basin

So - a 7mm drop in the world ocean level equates to less than 4% of the capacity of the GAB.
And there is Lake Eyre, other surface and groundwater storage...

Furthermore - the average rainfall over Australia in 2010 and 2011 was about 700mm for each year
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1301.0~2012~Main%20F...

Averaged over Australia's 7 million km2 - that is roughly 10,000km3 volume. 4 times that needed to decrease the world's ocean level by 7mm. Based on those very rough calcs - the researchers theory sounds reasonably plausible

So, tell us again - what exactly are you laughing at?

I haven't checked your calcs and i'm not going to....!!!!!

LMFAO...............?????????????????????????

Are you suggesting that a column with a base of 2500km squared and a height of 2500 km just mysteriously sunk into the Australian terrain.

Rabbit get back in your hole and don't be so stupid.

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Re: Catalyst: Taking Our Temperature
Reply #20 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:29am

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

I haven't checked your calcs and i'm not going to....!!!!!

LMFAO...............?????????????????????????

Are you suggesting that a column with a base of 2500km squared and a height of 2500 km just mysteriously sunk into the Australian terrain.

Dude get back in your hole and don't be so stupid.

No - I am not suggesting that a a column with a base of 2500km squared and a height of 2500 km just mysteriously sunk into the Australian terrain. I said nothing of the sort.

Why don't you show us some of the "scepticism" you claim to have - instead of blind denial?

You don't want to check my calculations? Fine - check Muso's then

2 of us independently did basic calculations around the magnitude of volumes involved and came to exactly the same conclusions that the the amount of rain that fell over Aus in 2010/11 and the amount of potential storage on Aus could easily account for a 7mm drop in the world's ocean level.

But want to blindly deny it.

Enjoy your ignorance.

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Reply #21 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:36am

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

Only the very gullible and algorians who have the faith would believe such tripe or even contemplate it.

Don't you claim to be a "sceptic"?

I was sceptical of the claim in the article. It sounded extraordinary. So I did some calculations to see it could possibly be true. Turns out, after my calculations - that it is entirely within the realms of possibilty that it may be true.

Muso, it appears, did exactly the same thing.

That is what "scepticism" is.

Not blind denial - as you are doing. Refusing to "even contemplate" something which does not fit your belief system.

That is denial.
That is ignorance.

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Reply #22 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:37am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:29am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

I haven't checked your calcs and i'm not going to....!!!!!

LMFAO...............?????????????????????????

Are you suggesting that a column with a base of 2500km squared and a height of 2500 km just mysteriously sunk into the Australian terrain.

Dude get back in your hole and don't be so stupid.

No - I am not suggesting that a a column with a base of 2500km squared and a height of 2500 km just mysteriously sunk into the Australian terrain. I said nothing of the sort.

Why don't you show us some of the "scepticism" you claim to have - instead of blind denial?

You don't want to check my calculations? Fine - check Muso's then

2 of us independently did basic calculations around the magnitude of volumes involved and came to exactly the same conclusions that the the amount of rain that fell over Aus in 2010/11 and the amount of potential storage on Aus could easily account for a 7mm drop in the world's ocean level.

But want to blindly deny it.

Enjoy your ignorance.

Like I said they will not allow IPCC predictions to be proven wrong.

Every time they have been proven wrong, they muster up some excuse, sometimes it may be feasible but most times its absolutely outrageous, this is one of those.

Dude didn't you work out that a 7mm reduction in the oceans would equate to 2500 cubic kilometres of water????

That's how much the Australian terrain would've had to drink to lower sea levels by 7mm.

I'll leave it to the reader to decide such an outrageous hypothesis.....!!!???

Do you think we're stupid or something....???????

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Reply #23 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:38am

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

You mean to tell me that the floods we had in QLD in those two years most of the water got soaked into the ground...????

1. It was a bit more extensive than Queensland, and
2. No, only about 22 % of it was retained for a short period. (Look at the chart I posted and read my posts. )

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Reply #24 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:40am

muso wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:38am:

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:22am:

You mean to tell me that the floods we had in QLD in those two years most of the water got soaked into the ground...????

1. It was a bit more extensive than Queensland, and
2. No, only about 22 % of it was retained for a short period. (Look at the chart I posted and read my posts. )

So then how did the rainfall over Australia in those two years equate to the 7mm drop in sea level....??????

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Reply #25 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:41am

Chimp_Logic wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 9:28am:

Excellent post muso!

I wonder if you can apply the same basic logic and intellectual rigour to the dangers of nuclear accident fallout and the health risks associated with internal exposure to radionuclidic particles?

It would be riveting reading to see how you insert the schism of applicability to both branches of science which are well supported by theory and observation/experiment.

Thanks Chimp. Let's keep this thread on topic. If you want to start a discussion on the effects of Fukushima, please start a new thread.

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Reply #26 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:43am

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Like I said they will not allow IPCC predictions to be proven wrong.

Every time they have been proven wrong, they muster up some excuse, sometimes it may be feasible but most times its absolutely outrageous, this is one of those.

Dude didn't you work out that a 7mm reduction in the oceans would equate to 2500 cubic kilometres of water????

Yes. Correct

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

That's how much the Australian terrain would've had to drink to lower sea levels by 7mm.

Yes. Correct.

And given that the GAB has a capacity of 65,000km3, and the amount of rain that fell over in Australia in those 2 years was about 10,000km3 - the idea that some 2500km3 of that water may have not been returned to the oceans over that 2 years seems entirely plausible.

2500km3 represents about 25% of the water that fell on Aus in those 2 years
2500km3 represents about 4% of the capacity of the GAB

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

I'll leave it to the reader to decide such an outrageous hypothesis.....!!!???

Good idea.

My calculations versus your blind denial.

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:37am:

Do you think we're stupid or something....???????

Do you really want me to answer that?

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Re: Catalyst: Taking Our Temperature
Reply #27 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:49am

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:43am:

And given that the GAB has a capacity of

65,000km3

, and the amount of rain that fell over in Australia in those 2 years was about

10,000km3

- the idea that some 2500km3 of that water may have not been returned to the oceans over that 2 years seems entirely plausible.

Pull the other one dude....????

Back to the drawing board for you my friend....????

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Reply #28 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:54am

Ajax,

Read my reply #14. If you don't believe the Australian Bureau of Meteorology official figures, then there is no hope for you.
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Are you suggesting that a column with a base of 2500km squared and a height of 2500 km just mysteriously sunk into the Australian terrain.

Multiple 2500x2500x2500. What do you get? (hint - not 2500)

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Reply #29 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:54am

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

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And given that the GAB has a capacity of 65,000km3, and the amount of rain that fell over in Australia in those 2 years was about 10,000km3 - the idea that some 2500km3 of that water may have not been returned to the oceans over that 2 years seems entirely plausible

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Pull the other one dude....????

It is estimated that more than 65 million gigalitres (GL) of water are stored in the GAB
http://www.environment.gov.au/water/publications/watermatters/water-matters-may-...

Rainfall averaged over Australia during 2011 was 705 mm, very similar to 2010 (703 mm).
http://www.abs.gov.au/ausstats/abs@.nsf/Lookup/by%20Subject/1301.0~2012~Main%20F...

Ajax wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 10:49am:

Back to the drawing board for you my friend....????

Why?

Which values I have used to you consider to be incorrect?

Can you tell me?
Or are you just blindly denying every thing that does not fit your belief system?

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