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Reply #15 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:15am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 23rd, 2014 at 4:24pm:
Just because Politicians say something, doesn't make it true.

In fact, usually the opposite is correct.

In this instance, it is the opposite that is true, as the Global basics will make the Growth "aim" impossible!

What Global Basics, you say, well -
1) Demographics have been the backstop of Economic Growth, for around 60-80 years, depending on which criteria is used and the Peaks & troughs of Demographics are usually reflected 50 years later.
So, 2014 is now set to reflect the fact that the Baby Boomer era ended in 1964, which means Demand will Decline, not increase, as the last Boomers now go into their final savings years & the bulk of Boomers actually enter their "spendthrift" Retirement years.
And, 2014 is also set for the Bust phase of the current & usual Economic Boom/Bust cycle.

2) Peak Energy has arrived, thus the cost of Energy & everything related to energy has been rising & will rise much more, thus eating greatly into the "Disposable income" of the vast majority of people, thus reducing Demand.

3) Global Debt is already at historic highs and moves must be made to start the long haul back!
Thus Taxes must increase, Tax loopholes must be closed & Expenditures must Decrease, in order to start down the Debt reduction path.
This also means that Demand will Decline, not increase!

4) Climate Change, irrespective of whether it is natural or man made, is causing many problems. It is driving up costs, it is set to deliver a Decline in Agricultural Production & in many areas a lack of rainfall will put restrictions on Population increases.
All of which will put a further Decline into Demand!

So, whilst our "friendly Pollies", of all shapes & sizes, from here & elsewhere & from all types of Political Party's may say they will "aim" for higher Growth, But the Reality is, based on Real Facts, they have as much chance of success in achieving their higher Growth  "aim", as does a Pig in trying to Fly, the Pig may try, but all that's going to happen is he will make the leap "of faith", then die, as he crashes to the ground!

Sorry, to be so blunt, But facts are facts and nothing any Polly will say, is going to make these facts go away!


Further to the Peak Energy issue -

Running on empty: Australia’s dependence on imported fossil fuels



Australia’s dependence on traditional and imported liquid fuel sources and transport technologies is putting our national security – and very way of life – at risk, a new study has found. Yet Australia continues to ignore alternative fuel strategies, that could include more renewable energy and electric vehicles.

An NRMA-commissioned report on the nation’s liquid fuel security, released on Monday, warns that Australia’s severely declining oil refining industry, and increasing demand for liquid fuels, could result in a scenario in 2030 where it has less than 20 days worth of fuel in reserve, and 100 per cent imported liquid fuel dependency.

Titled Australia’s Liquid Fuel Security, the report recommends a comprehensive, national response that addresses both demand and supply sides of the liquid fuel delivery chain, including increased focus on the technologies and energy sources used and alternative fuel supply.

“Waiting for a catastrophic failure before acting could result in damage to our security, our economy and our way of life. And the longer we wait to act, the fewer options we will have.”


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http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/running-on-empty-australias-dependence-on-import...
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The last sentence above, may ring a few bells, as that is pretty much what all of our Politicians have done, for the OZ Economy in general, over the last 40-50 years and now is the time "to reap what has been sown".

Oh & btw, Australia's own Oil Production has Decline some 50%, since the turn of the century and Production continues to slide!
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Reply #16 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:19am
 
Yep, things is bleak awright.
The only way out of this mess is one bloody great big world war, we are overdue for one.
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Reply #17 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:34am
 
mozzaok wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:19am:
Yep, things is bleak awright.
The only way out of this mess is one bloody great big world war, we are overdue for one.


Good. You and your sons can be first to sign up.
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Reply #18 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:50am
 
mozzaok wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:19am:
Yep, things is bleak awright.
The only way out of this mess is one bloody great big world war, we are overdue for one.


Not a solution Mozza, just a recipe for greater disaster!
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Reply #19 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 11:08am
 
crocodile wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:34am:
mozzaok wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:19am:
Yep, things is bleak awright.
The only way out of this mess is one bloody great big world war, we are overdue for one.


Good. You and your sons can be first to sign up.


lmao, don't blame me, I won't be the one that starts it.
I am just saying if history repeats, big depression, big war.
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Reply #20 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 4:47pm
 
A real, FTTH, NBN would have helped mitigate some of what is coming:

1. More working from home so less petrol used and all that.

2. Helps with education, allowing small schools to access specialist teachers

3. Telehealth helping keep Boomer health costs under some sort of control

4. Improve labor productivity, helping the smaller (relative) workforce support the aging Boomers

I have banged on about this heaps, have supported what I have said in the NBN thread. This is a way to avert some of the crisis.

Similarly—the RET would help eke out fossil fuels.

The economics of a shrinking market and population have not been studied as far as I know but some things spring to mind: cities shrink so daily commutes shrink too saving energy, the crime and drugs endemic in underserviced outer suburbs would shrink because outer suburbs (as we know them now) would disappear. Agricultural land can be reclaimed, school class sizes can shrink. But some businesses will be hit hard, the whole capitalist model of economies will be hit hard.

Some religions will still preach that people should reproduce like rabbits, Catholisicm and Muslim spring to mind so conflict won’t disappear.
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Reply #21 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 8:01pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:15am:
Further to the Peak Energy issue -

Running on empty: Australia’s dependence on imported fossil fuels



Australia’s dependence on traditional and imported liquid fuel sources and transport technologies is putting our national security – and very way of life – at risk, a new study has found. Yet Australia continues to ignore alternative fuel strategies, that could include more renewable energy and electric vehicles.

An NRMA-commissioned report on the nation’s liquid fuel security, released on Monday, warns that Australia’s severely declining oil refining industry, and increasing demand for liquid fuels, could result in a scenario in 2030 where it has less than 20 days worth of fuel in reserve, and 100 per cent imported liquid fuel dependency.

Titled Australia’s Liquid Fuel Security, the report recommends a comprehensive, national response that addresses both demand and supply sides of the liquid fuel delivery chain, including increased focus on the technologies and energy sources used and alternative fuel supply.

“Waiting for a catastrophic failure before acting could result in damage to our security, our economy and our way of life. And the longer we wait to act, the fewer options we will have.”


Link -
http://reneweconomy.com.au/2014/running-on-empty-australias-dependence-on-import...
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The last sentence above, may ring a few bells, as that is pretty much what all of our Politicians have done, for the OZ Economy in general, over the last 40-50 years and now is the time "to reap what has been sown".

Oh & btw, Australia's own Oil Production has Decline some 50%, since the turn of the century and Production continues to slide!

As long as we rely on a source of fuel that is extracted and not grown, we are vulnerable to any future constraints on the supply of fossil fuels. When - not if - the next oil shock arrives, we will experience more stagflation, and it could makes the stagflation of the 1970s look mild by comparison both in severity and in duration.

We should invest more in the development of sustainable fuels as a matter of urgency. Biodiesel from microscopic algae may be feasible, as would be biodiesel from kelp.

Algae can be grown in deserts. Kelp can be grown in the open ocean. Neither would consume existing agricultural land and both have good yields.

The current cost of these biofuels is more expensive than fossil fuels, but not much more. This cost will come down due to economies of scale and research while the prices of fossil fuels climb inexorably upwards.

Where do we want to be in 20 years' time - self supporting in fuel, or still reliant on imported fuels at ever more exorbitant prices?
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Reply #22 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 8:46pm
 
We can always make petrol from coal, but it won’t be cheap or clean.
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Reply #23 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:24pm
 
We have a shitload of gas
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Reply #24 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 5:44pm
 
Household gas prices to increase by 17.6 per cent in New South Wales


The Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal (IPART) has released a draft decision on regulated gas prices in New South Wales, suggesting an increase of around 17.6 per cent.

IPART's draft decision would take effect from the 2014-15 financial year.

It means from July 1, typical annual gas bills will rise by between $150 and $225 for households, depending on where people live and how much gas they use.

IPART chairman Dr Peter Boxall says the increases are largely due to rising wholesale gas prices.

"The ability to export liquid natural gas is driving a structural change in eastern Australia's wholesale gas market, and increasingly domestic gas prices will be influenced by what is happening in world gas markets," he says.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-04-23/household-gas-prices-going-up-176-per-cent...


Australia inflation lower than feared, lessens rate hike risk


Australian inflation was surprisingly tame last quarter showing a moderation that greatly lessened the pressure for a hike in interest rates this year and sent the local dollar sharply lower.

A key measure of underlying inflation rose by only 0.5 percent in the first quarter and 2.6 percent for the year, well below forecasts of 0.7 percent and 2.9 percent respectively.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/04/23/us-australia-economy-idUSBREA3M05K2014...
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There are a few comments, which must be made -
1) Obviously there is much more driving Gas Prices, than the standard inflation factors, as is demonstrated by Gas prices going up 5 times what inflation is increasing by.
2) The Export market is driving much more than structural change in the Gas market, it is also driving huge profit margins, for someone?
3) Did they really say Independent in the IPART name?
Independent of whom?
Certainly, independent of the public, But someone certainly has them onside?
I wonder whom that could be? (BIG Energy? Government?) 

Perhaps if BIG Energy, Government/s & Independent Government Agencies can't properly separate Global & Local Prices, then it may be time to separate BIG Energy from being able to dig up & sell "Our Limited Natural Resources", particularly those which are Energy Resources!!!

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Reply #25 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:16pm
 
crocodile wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 9:24pm:
We have a shitload of gas



Try a couple of 'Quik-Eze' tablets. That should help.  Tongue  Tongue
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Reply #26 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:19pm
 
Maqqa wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 11:30am:
cods wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 11:21am:
perceptions_now wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 11:06am:
As usual, those who purport to be Experts (yes - Maqqa & Longy) on Economics, are shown by their silence, to simply be people who formerly thought they were an Economics Exspurts, but who now understand that they are just a drips under pressure!

     




I take it you are the only expurt on economics on here then?????and nobody else is allowed an opinion..

bit of a ticket you have on yourself percy

why are you not working in treasury?? instead of just leaving the few on here to be amazed at your accuracy you are wasted surely?


you see cods.....

PN cuts and copy from Google searches and claims to be the expert

A truly knowledgeable person presents a discussion of concepts, it's application to reality and sprinkles facts into the discussion to back their assertions

PN can't do that

When PN tries - PN gets all muddled up between theory and reality. Muddle up between idealist textbook written decades in the past and the modern reality

The difference here between what longie and I present is far more better than what PN tries to present

This difference is comparable to the difference between a cook and a chef

PN can't even boil water



agreeing with Cods on economics ...thats sure to do a lot for your credibility gumpy. Grin Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #27 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:25pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 5:44pm:
Household gas prices to increase by 17.6 per cent in New South Wales


The Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal (IPART) has released a draft decision on regulated gas prices in New South Wales, suggesting an increase of around 17.6 per cent.

IPART's draft decision would take effect from the 2014-15 financial year.

It means from July 1, typical annual gas bills will rise by between $150 and $225 for households, depending on where people live and how much gas they use.

IPART chairman Dr Peter Boxall says the increases are largely due to rising wholesale gas prices.

"The ability to export liquid natural gas is driving a structural change in eastern Australia's wholesale gas market, and increasingly domestic gas prices will be influenced by what is happening in world gas markets," he says.

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Well, there goes mine.

I'm already struggling with these obscenely high gas/electricity bills, now I'll have no option but to let the gas go altogether.

I'll have to go back to wood or coal heating (or double my power bill by using electric heating).
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Reply #28 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:27pm
 
Kat wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 5:44pm:
Household gas prices to increase by 17.6 per cent in New South Wales


The Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal (IPART) has released a draft decision on regulated gas prices in New South Wales, suggesting an increase of around 17.6 per cent.

IPART's draft decision would take effect from the 2014-15 financial year.

It means from July 1, typical annual gas bills will rise by between $150 and $225 for households, depending on where people live and how much gas they use.

IPART chairman Dr Peter Boxall says the increases are largely due to rising wholesale gas prices.

"The ability to export liquid natural gas is driving a structural change in eastern Australia's wholesale gas market, and increasingly domestic gas prices will be influenced by what is happening in world gas markets," he says.

[



Well, there goes mine.

I'm already struggling with these obscenely high gas/electricity bills, now I'll have no option but to let the gas go altogether.

I'll have to go back to wood or coal heating (or double my power bill by using electric heating).



it's OK El Gatto ...Abbott said he'll bring down the cost of living  Grin Grin Grin
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Reply #29 - Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:43pm
 
John Smith wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:27pm:
Kat wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 6:25pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Apr 23rd, 2014 at 5:44pm:
Household gas prices to increase by 17.6 per cent in New South Wales


The Independent Pricing and Regulatory Tribunal (IPART) has released a draft decision on regulated gas prices in New South Wales, suggesting an increase of around 17.6 per cent.

IPART's draft decision would take effect from the 2014-15 financial year.

It means from July 1, typical annual gas bills will rise by between $150 and $225 for households, depending on where people live and how much gas they use.

IPART chairman Dr Peter Boxall says the increases are largely due to rising wholesale gas prices.

"The ability to export liquid natural gas is driving a structural change in eastern Australia's wholesale gas market, and increasingly domestic gas prices will be influenced by what is happening in world gas markets," he says.

[



Well, there goes mine.

I'm already struggling with these obscenely high gas/electricity bills, now I'll have no option but to let the gas go altogether.

I'll have to go back to wood or coal heating (or double my power bill by using electric heating).



it's OK El Gatto ...Abbott said he'll bring down the cost of living  Grin Grin Grin


Don't we all wish...??

The Saudis virtually give their oil/petrol away to their own people, and make their (massive) profit on export sales.

We should be doing the same with our LNG, not using the pain thresh-hold as a pricing point as is currently the case.

If the govt were to do that, then mandate the mass switch to LNG-fuelled vehicles by, say, 2014, watch the cost
of living start to fall and jobs start to appear again. Who knows, it may even have helped to save our car industry.

It would also make it economical to switch from coal-fired to gas-fired power stations and help to substantially lower
electricity prices.

Sadly, because it would result in lower (not no) profits for several current greedy vested-interest groups, it will never
happen.
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