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Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:31pm

http://au.news.yahoo.com/election/a/-/article/18644973/labor-had-no-carbon-tax-mandate-rudd/

Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has admitted Labor did not have a mandate from voters to introduce a carbon tax.

During the 2010 election campaign, former prime minister Julia Gillard ruled out a carbon tax under her government.

But she went on to introduce a fixed price on carbon pollution, with plans to move to an emissions trading scheme in 2015.

Mr Rudd said in the past Labor governments "had got a number of things wrong".

"For example, I don't think our actions on the carbon tax were right, that's why I changed it to move towards a floating price," he told ABC TV on Sunday.

"To begin with, we didn't have a mandate for it."

Mr Rudd was asked whether Opposition Leader Tony Abbott would have a mandate to repeal the carbon tax if he wins the September 7 election.

"I'm in the business of taking the argument up with the Australian people as to why the government should be returned," he told reporters in Canberra.

"The core element here is that we believe climate change is real."

Mr Rudd said Mr Abbott over many years had made statements to the contrary.

"His so-called direct action plan is a piece of camouflage," he said.

Opposition climate action spokesman Greg Hunt seized on Mr Rudd's comment.
"Kevin Rudd today finally admitted that Labor betrayed the Australian people," he said.

BEST THING RUDD HAS EVER SAID AND ABOUT THE FIRST HONEST THING.

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #1 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:38pm

longweekend58

I read that article earlier, it was a very dumb thing to say.

Rudd was kind of forced into in this by his anti-Gillard strategy, when he took over he went to great pains to pretend that this was a new ALP and attacked Gillard's legacy, this is just a logical extension and more proof Rudd has two enemies to fight, the ALP and the coalition.

Also it is an elephant in the room, there are three really big ones the ALP try to hide:

1) They lied about the carbon tax
2) The lost control of the borders
3) They proved they are economic idiots

Beyond that there are numerous medium sized ones and a whole herd of small ones.

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Maqqa Gold Member Offline 14% - that low?! Posts: 16000	Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax Reply #2 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:39pm Most of his cabinet have said they have a mandate - so who do we believe
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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax Reply #3 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:43pm Maqqa So Howard went to an election saying he would introduce a GST and won with an improved majority, the ALP claimed he had no mandate. Gillard lied about a Carbon tax, had an election draw ..... but they claim they had a mandate ? I can see why Rudd is back pedalling for the ALP on that one.
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Reply #4 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:45pm

Oh thats just great, isnt it, didnt Kevin Rudd gave his blessing on the day when the carbon tax was passed by planting an awkward kiss on Juliar on the cheeks after it was passed into legislation in parliament

And now all of sudden he now says that it was all wrong that labor didnt properly get the mandate ???? Angry

I mean Rudd was celebrating right there when it was passed

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #5 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:53pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

Maqqa

So Howard went to an election saying he would introduce a GST and won with an improved majority, the ALP claimed he had no mandate.

Gillard lied about a Carbon tax, had an election draw ..... but they claim they had a mandate ?

I can see why Rudd is back pedalling for the ALP on that one.

In 2007 - Rudd adopt the "admit and take the damage" approach which worked well

I recall the strip-joint visit, eating ear-wax etc.

But those tactics are wearing thin - people are simply not believing him anymore

So this admission is designed to paint him as "honest" but people are not listening

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #6 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:13pm

stryder wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:45pm:

Oh thats just great, isnt it, didnt Kevin Rudd gave his blessing on the day when the carbon tax was passed by planting an awkward kiss on Juliar on the cheeks after it was passed into legislation in parliament

And now all of sudden he now says that it was all wrong that labor didnt properly get the mandate ???? Angry

I mean Rudd was celebrating right there when it was passed

Rudd isn't exactly renowned for a principled position on ANYTHING.

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RightSadFred Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2220 Gender:	Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax Reply #7 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:15pm Maqqa But Rudd 2.0 is making far more obvious lies then Rudd 1.0 The guy is seriously regressing, he must have early onset alzheimer's
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Reply #8 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:22pm

do you think he is now trying to get out of the CARBON TAX ETS TAX call it what you will...

maybe the message has got through even to him..

WE ARE WASTING OUT TIME......dont worry about the cost..

it has gone off the radar..

. and how CLIMATE CHANGE can be PANIC STATIONS one day...and NEVER HEARD OF AGAIN the next I DONT KNOW.....

even on the boards its gone off the radar.. almost no one is talking about it?????????

could that be because nothing is happening even though we get told how every country out there bar us is doing so much to stop the Snowy mountain becoming the Sandy mountain...[he.he.].... when bugger all changes....

when ex PM go out and buy beachside homes.. and AL Gore owns more ocean view properties than we can even dream about...its ludicrous to say the least..

weve been conned and maybe kevvie has just seen the light!!

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cods Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 88048	Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax Reply #9 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:23pm RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:15pm: Maqqa But Rudd 2.0 is making far more obvious lies then Rudd 1.0 The guy is seriously regressing, he must have early onset alzheimer's no fred he is hoping all us voters have that problem.... short memories..lol..
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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #10 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:29pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

1) They lied about the carbon tax

We don't have a carbon tax. We have a price on carbon with a 3 year fixed price period.
And Gillard went to the last election saying it would provide a mandate for a price on carbon

In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price
http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/julia-gillard-my-carbon-price-p...

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

2) The lost control of the borders

Don't be silly.

We have some 4 million entries to this country every year. Of these - some 25,000 are unauthorised

0.7%.

THis means some 99.3% of all entries to this country are authorised.

And you call 99.3% - "lost control of the borders"!!!
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/youve-been-misled-on...

And don't forget - the vast majority of the 0.7% of unauthorised entries are completely legal, bonafide asylum seekers.

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

3) They proved they are economic idiots

How did they do this?

By giving Australia triple A ratings with all 3 major credit agencies, keeping Australia out of recession and giving Australia one of the lowest debts in the developed world!?!!?

You really are very gullible, aren't you.

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #11 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:30pm

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Most of his cabinet have said they have a mandate - so who do we believe

Didn't Labor form a coalition with another party that went to the election with a policy for a carbon tax? Wouldn't that give the party concerned some sort of mandate? That party being part of the government, wouldn't that give the government a mandate?

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Reply #12 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:31pm

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:29pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

1) They lied about the carbon tax

We don't have a carbon tax. We have a price on carbon with a 3 year fixed price period.
And Gillard went to the last election saying it would provide a mandate for a price on carbon

In an election-eve interview with The Australian, the Prime Minister revealed she would view victory tomorrow as a mandate for a carbon price
http://www.news.com.au/features/federal-election/julia-gillard-my-carbon-price-p...

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

2) The lost control of the borders

Don't be silly.

We have some 4 million entries to this country every year. Of these - some 25,000 are unauthorised

0.7%.

THis means some 99.3% of all entries to this country are authorised.

And you call 99.3% - "lost control of the borders"!!!
http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/political-opinion/youve-been-misled-on...

And don't forget - the vast majority of the 0.7% of unauthorised entries are completely legal, bonafide asylum seekers.

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:38pm:

3) They proved they are economic idiots

How did they do this?

By giving Australia triple A ratings with all 3 major credit agencies, keeping Australia out of recession and giving Australia one of the lowest debts in the developed world!?!!?

You really are very gullible, aren't you.

So you are disagreeing with your messiah, Kev the Con?

how unsurprising.

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Reply #13 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:33pm

# wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:30pm:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:39pm:

Most of his cabinet have said they have a mandate - so who do we believe

Didn't Labor form a coalition with another party that went to the election with a policy for a carbon tax? Wouldn't that give the party concerned some sort of mandate? That party being part of the government, wouldn't that give the government a mandate?

that's the best excuse Ive seen yet. Congrats. OF course the party that gets 39% of the vote gets excluded while the party that gets 11% gets the nod. Makes perfect sense.

Gillard didn't need the Greens to form govt as that was in the bag. And she didn't need them to pass legislation in the senate as they mostly voted against her bills anyhow.

and now the carbon tax is set to be repealed. Keve the Con has already admitted that there is no mandate for it!

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Reply #14 - Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:34pm

cods wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:22pm:

do you think he is now trying to get out of the CARBON TAX ETS TAX call it what you will...

What do you call Tony's GREAT BIG CARBON TAX?

Where he will pay between $4billion and $15billion of tax payer money to big polluters?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/fact-checker/theres-a-hole-in-the-coaliti...

Or Tony's GREAT BIG BABY TAX?
Where he will tax businesses $5.5billion a year so that millionaires can be paid to have babies?
http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/coalitions-paid-par...

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