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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #30 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

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After this election - there will be a mandate for abolishing the carbon tax
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All talk of mandates is crap. We vote for which ever mob we least dislike. That doesn't mean we're giving them a "mandate" for everything they say they want to do. It just means we dislike fewer of those things.

Basically, we're saying that we give whatever the opposite of a mandate is (denial? veto?) for fewer of their policies.

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Reply #31 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:43am

Dnarever wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

cods wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 6:59am:

Dnarever wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 9:16pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 6:43pm:

Maqqa

So Howard went to an election saying he would introduce a GST and won with an improved majority, the ALP claimed he had no mandate.

Gillard lied about a Carbon tax, had an election draw ..... but they claim they had a mandate ?

I can see why Rudd is back pedalling for the ALP on that one.

Howard was lucky to sneak over the line in that election with 49% of the vote against almost no opposition.

I don't think that Labor said he had no mandate it was everyone else. Howard only ever became PM on the basis that he had committed to never ever introduce a GST.

Gillard broke her commitment to not introduce a tax, it wasn't a Lie.

now you are saying rudd didnt say it..LOL.. first gillard now rudd.. never ever sat what they say..... go figure..

Sorry Cods but I have no idea what you are talking about .

that's OK, neither does she! Grin

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Reply #32 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:40pm

# wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

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After this election - there will be a mandate for abolishing the carbon tax
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All talk of mandates is crap. We vote for which ever mob we least dislike. That doesn't mean we're giving them a "mandate" for everything they say they want to do. It just means we dislike fewer of those things.

Basically, we're saying that we give whatever the opposite of a mandate is (denial? veto?) for fewer of their policies.

... said the disgruntled voter who still yearns for more cuddles from mummy!

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #33 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 1:11pm

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Prime Minister Kevin Rudd has admitted Labor did not have a mandate from voters to introduce a carbon tax.

During the 2010 election campaign, former prime minister Julia Gillard ruled out a carbon tax under her government.

But

Instead, she went on to introduce
a fixed price on carbon
pollution, with plans to move to an
emissions trading scheme
in 2015.

Well, that seems pretty CLEAR to ME
- as I understand English

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #35 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 1:30pm

Armchair_Politician wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:40pm:

# wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

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After this election - there will be a mandate for abolishing the carbon tax
...

All talk of mandates is crap. We vote for which ever mob we least dislike. That doesn't mean we're giving them a "mandate" for everything they say they want to do. It just means we dislike fewer of those things.

Basically, we're saying that we give whatever the opposite of a mandate is (denial? veto?) for fewer of their policies.

... said the disgruntled voter who still yearns for more cuddles from mummy!

Clearly, Armchair_Politician likes to participate in the mutual masturbation that is mandate politics.

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #36 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 1:38pm

# wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

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After this election - there will be a mandate for abolishing the carbon tax
...

All talk of mandates is crap.We vote for which ever mob we least dislike. That doesn't mean we're giving them a "mandate" for everything they say they want to do. It just means we dislike fewer of those things.

Basically, we're saying that we give whatever the opposite of a mandate is (denial? veto?) for fewer of their policies.

I'm pretty much over this whole "mandate"
thing, MYSELF
As the LibNats
seem pretty much a cert - this election - does that mean they have a

"mandate"

on EVERY election policy ?

Including scrapping the low income families'
"Schoolkids Bonus"
scheme - to help fund the high income families'
"Paid Parental Leave"
scheme ?

A lot of

LibNat

voters from the

working class western suburbs

may be surprised to HEAR about this

"mandate"

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #37 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 11:54am

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

# wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

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After this election - there will be a mandate for abolishing the carbon tax
...

All talk of mandates is crap.We vote for which ever mob we least dislike. That doesn't mean we're giving them a "mandate" for everything they say they want to do. It just means we dislike fewer of those things.

Basically, we're saying that we give whatever the opposite of a mandate is (denial? veto?) for fewer of their policies.

I'm pretty much over this whole "mandate"
thing, MYSELF
As the LibNats
seem pretty much a cert - this election - does that mean they have a

"mandate"

on EVERY election policy ?

Including scrapping the low income families'
"Schoolkids Bonus"
scheme - to help fund the high income families'
"Paid Parental Leave"
scheme ?

A lot of

LibNat

voters from the

working class western suburbs

may be surprised to HEAR about this

"mandate"

no you simply cannot cope with the notion of a mandate that might ethically require a party to support something the people want but YOU don't.

Mandates are fairly simple beasts if you have to necessary integrity and hopelessly complex if you don't.

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #38 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:14pm

# wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

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After this election - there will be a mandate for abolishing the carbon tax
...

All talk of mandates is crap. We vote for which ever mob we least dislike. That doesn't mean we're giving them a "mandate" for everything they say they want to do. It just means we dislike fewer of those things.

Basically, we're saying that we give whatever the opposite of a mandate is (denial? veto?) for fewer of their policies.

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What absolute poppy cock.

If a political party says its going to do something gets elected and does such its perfectly acceptable.

Based on your dumbar$e logic a party should go into an election saying what they going to do then do nothing.

If a party makes a clear pitch then gets elected then sure they can push through that pitch.

Clearly you prefer lying grubs like Rudd and gillard.

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #40 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 1:01pm

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

longweekend58

I will be in that boat with the PPL, I despise social engineering nanny state sh!t like this but the Libs have been very clear on doing it and defending the idea, if the voters hate that idea (and other lib ideas) more than they hate the ALP then they will vote ALP.

IM not a fan of it either but I don't get to vote for a designer government that agrees with all my beliefs ideologies and prejudices. And that said, my opposition to PPL is on COST, not principle. I see no problem with people getting a reward in some way commensurate to their contribution. But that doesn't mean it is affordable.

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Re: Rudd admits no mandate for Carbon Tax
Reply #41 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 3:47am

longweekend58 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 11:54am:

buzzanddidj wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 1:38pm:

# wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 11:41am:

Maqqa wrote on Aug 25^th, 2013 at 7:44pm:

...
After this election - there will be a mandate for abolishing the carbon tax
...

All talk of mandates is crap.We vote for which ever mob we least dislike. That doesn't mean we're giving them a "mandate" for everything they say they want to do. It just means we dislike fewer of those things.

Basically, we're saying that we give whatever the opposite of a mandate is (denial? veto?) for fewer of their policies.

I'm pretty much over this whole "mandate"
thing, MYSELF
As the LibNats
seem pretty much a cert - this election - does that mean they have a

"mandate"

on EVERY election policy ?

Including scrapping the low income families'
"Schoolkids Bonus"
scheme - to help fund the high income families'
"Paid Parental Leave"
scheme ?

A lot of

LibNat

voters from the

working class western suburbs

may be surprised to HEAR about this

"mandate"

no you simply cannot cope with the notion of a mandate that might ethically require a party to support something the people want but YOU don't.

Tony Abbott's insistence that the election will be a ''referendum on the carbon tax'' has been undermined by polling showing just a third of voters support the Coalition's plan to abolish the tax.

Fewer voters want to see the carbon tax removed now than before it took effect on July 1 last year.

Nearly half the voters, or 48 per cent, wanted the tax scrapped a year ago.

But a poll of 1009 people, conducted by JWS Research for the Climate Institute, found just 37 per cent of them now supported the Coalition's intention to wind the tax back in favour of its ''Direct Action'' policy, which involves paying companies to reduce emissions.
Even fewer people - 34 per cent - would back an Abbott government calling a double dissolution election to fulfil its ''pledge in blood'' to repeal the tax.

Less than half the Coalition voters would back Mr Abbott taking Australia back to the polls.

JWS pollster John Scales said the Opposition Leader had failed to convince people carbon pricing should be scrapped because two-thirds of Australians believed climate change was real.

Climate change believers accounted for 66 per cent of voters compared with 64 per cent a year ago.

Mr Scales said: ''The Coalition's complaint that everyone wants to get rid of the carbon tax is not backed up by the numbers.''

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/fewer-voters-want-carbon-t...

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Sixty-five per cent of respondents supported legalising marriage between same-sex couples, up 8 points since December 2011, while only 28 per cent were opposed (down 7 points).

Support was greater among women (75 per cent) than men (55 per cent) and greater among younger voters than older voters.

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