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Reply #105 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 8:40am
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 2:40pm:
John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:03am:
cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:00am:
John Smith wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:51am:
cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:48am:
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John Smith wrote on Sep 3rd, 2013 at 8:35am:
from 4200 one month to 1500 the next month .... yep, I'd say that it looks like it's working.

It was never going to stop everything suddenly. Numbers have been declining steadily and will continue to do so.


Just maybe you're attributing any reduction in illegals to the wrong person, don't you think these illegals and the people smugglers know that the  election is more than likely going to see a change?


that would mean their would be an increase in the numbers trying to get here before any change.




and there has been... most boats well over a 100 and some with 200+ .. dont just count the boats anymore..


not sure where you get your news from Cods, but I'd suggest you find a new source ... the number of asylum seekers coming by boat has dropped dramatically in the last month.

Will you be happy with Abbotts when he simply puts a blackout on the news telling you about boat arrivals?  .... that way you can all pretend they've stopped.



krudds been back since june it is now Sept...
the last month...a dramatic drop.. good one
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idiot.. at least I can THINK more than can be said for you...JOAN

you give me the creeps the way you stalk you really do...go away.. I cant be bothered with parrots...


the PNG solution started a month ago idiot .


Well, it's probably closing in on 2 months, since Labor announced its PNG solution, BUT ON BALANCE IT WOULD SEEM ANOTHER OWN GOAL, BY CODS!

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Reply #106 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:11pm
 
The land of OZ has a new Wizard?

REALITY IS -
AUSTRALIA HAS ELECTED A NEW PRIME MINISTER & A NEW GOVERNMENT!

EVERYTHING ELSE IS STILL SPIN!

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Reply #107 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:18pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 12:11pm:
The land of OZ has a new Wizard?

REALITY IS -
AUSTRALIA HAS ELECTED A NEW PRIME MINISTER & A NEW GOVERNMENT!

EVERYTHING ELSE IS STILL SPIN!





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Reply #108 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 5:11pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 5:08pm:
A Tale Of Two Realities

http://static.cdn-seekingalpha.com/uploads/2013/9/6/saupload_9-6-2013_6-34-49_PM...

The much anticipated Non-Farm Payrolls report was a stinker. Not only did the number of new jobs (169K) miss expectations (180K) but the prior data was revised lower from 160K to a stunning 104K.

Full time jobs were +118K and part time jobs -234K.

The unemployment rate fell to 7.3% from 7.4%. Soon, with so many not looking for work (the labor participation rate currently at 1978 lows), the deceptive unemployment rate will fall to unimaginable lows.

That's the statistical gimmick the methodology has created.

After the markets fell sharply on employment news, the bad news bulls appeared to rally stocks as they reasoned a Fed taper was unlikely this month given the perfectly bad data.

Later this afternoon, some wise guys in Syria claimed Assad launched another chemical weapons attack and markets started to fall into the close.

No, you shouldn't be able to make this stuff up, but they've been doing a good job of doing so the last decade.

In the end, neither bulls nor bears could gain the upper hand as the first of the three big September events passed. Next up is the Fed Meeting or Syria.

Volume was the heaviest we've seen in months as investors reacted to the employment report both logically to the downside and then cynically on the rally.

The markets remain in Bizzaro Land. Surely the reality of ongoing unemployment and part time hiring to avoid Obamacare should weigh on markets more than we're seeing. On the other hand corporate buybacks financed by low interest rates and ongoing Fed liquidity injections are the new bullish norm. It's difficult to deal with these realities emotionally. But investors either must go with the dictates of the tape or stand aside.

Let's see what happens.

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http://seekingalpha.com/article/1678982-a-tale-of-two-realities?source=email_mac...
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Forget the SPIN!

The REALITY is that Economic facts are now headed South, they have been for some time and given the direction of the Global Macro Economic Drivers, there is no reason to suspect that Economic Growth will not continue to head South, NO MATTER WHAT THE SPIN & NO MATTER WHICH POLITICAL PARTY IS IN POWER!

Btw, just for the record, those Global Macro Economic Drivers are -
1) Demographics - the Population is aging quickly, the buying power of the largest generation in history (the Baby Boomers) is diminishing just as quickly. The Global birth rate is also declining and the Global Population is now levelling off, prior to going into decline over the next 20-30 years.
The overall impact is that the inevitable Growth in Demand, which has been the major backer of Global Economics for at least the last 200 years, is now tapering off, prior to going into decline AND NO AMOUNT OF SPIN TALK WILL & OR CAN, CHANGE THAT FROM HAPPENING!
In addition, another Baby Boom (like the Boomer generation) is also not possible, as declining levels of Energy & Climate change, will ensure the Earths carrying capacity is not sufficient.
In fact, after Peaking at perhaps 8 Billion, I would suggest the Global Population is likely to decline to around 2 Billion, within the next 100 years or so AN THEREIN IS THE REASON WHY ECONOMIC GROWTH WILL NOT & CAN NOT, REBOUND TO THE OLD STATUS QUO!

2) Energy - Fossil Fuels have been the great enabler of Global Population Growth, over the last 200 years or so, BUT ENERGY SUPPLY GROWTH, AT LOW PRICES ARE NOW A THING OF THE PAST.

Over the next 20-30 years it will become plainly evident that Energy Supply per capita will decline significantly, whilst Prices rise significantly, which means that Global Population levels must fall, which (in turn) means that Demand & Economic Growth are a thing of the past!

Why am I saying these things, well Unemployment is a reflection of these new realities. Even with Economic Growth slowing, the Boomer demographic situation is masking the new realities, because of the large Boomer numbers now exiting the working market & going into retirement.
This means that the usual Unemployment explosion, which would have happened in "normal times" is not ocurring and if the SPIN keeps going long enough, together with massive "Money Printing", then that situation will become obvious, as UNEMPLOYMENT PLUNGES TO HISTORIC LOWS, BEFORE REBOUNDING TO HISTORIC HIGHS, AS THE NEW ECONOMIC REALITIES BECOME APPARENT, IN AN ERA OF DECLINING POPULATIONS, DECLINING DEMAND, GROWTH IN DECLINE & AN ENERGY SUPPLY IN DECLINE!

Finally, to those in the Liberal Party, welcome to the new realities of "winning" power!   
 
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Reply #109 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 7:52pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 12:16am:
cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 11:04pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:24pm:
cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:15pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:10pm:
cods wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:15pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:38pm:
adelcrow wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:23pm:
The fat little demon dago Sophie Mirabella looks like losing her seat...good riddance to bad rubbish  Grin Grin Grin


Well, Well, Well?

Now IF that were repeated in every seat AND EVERY INCUMBENT WAS DEFEATED, then the Liberals would just sneak back, BUT ALL POLITICIANS & POLITICAL PARTY'S WOULD GET ONE BIG MEASSGE, THAT IT REALLY IS TIME FOR CHANGE!!!






so which Emperor do you wish to take over then perc...?

or are you leaning towards a dictator..or maybe someone on the lines of General Fidel C astro...would suit you...

elected govts dont seem to suit you.
.. but I am sure you wouldnt want it like the Wild West all over again would you???? Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

if you think you can do better why are you here?????


That's correct, at least for both of the major OZ Political party's.

I would suggest that both are equivalent to saying YES, YOU WOULD LIKE TO AGREE TO BEING INFECTED BY THE PLAGUE!






answer the question... why dont you???????..

you and kat are so bitter and twisted just tell us what you want..

or at least have the guts to get up and have a go yourself.. spineless one.


Oh, I think I did!

Neither major party is likely to suit me, nor are they likely to suit the vast majority of OZ electors, AS BOTH WILL FAIL TO DELIVER THAT WHICH THEY ARE SUGGESTING, WHICH IS AN ECONOMIC COME- BACK!!

And, you & any other "major party supporter" will find out, to you disappointment, that what both Labor & the Libs are now espousing will not come to pass!!!





get up and have a go yourself.
. lazy bugger you  criticise and moan and groan about all and sundry.. get off your fat acre and go out and change the world......

you think you are better, know more, and have a crystal ball that tells you what will happen in the  future... well lets see some proof of it..


it wont happen will it???? all you can do is sit in front of your laptop and tell the few on here.. how important and full of yourself you are.....well
good luck
with that...

what about the DOOM AND GLOOM PARTY you and Kat would make a great  pair. Angry


In one of the major party's?
You are joking!
They are simply major breeding points, for corruption!

Those few who start out with some decent ideals, soon lose them!



Yes, Yes & I don't need a crystal ball, as the next few years will confirm!


And good luck to you to, sweety, You & the rest us, we will all need quite a bit of it, GOOD LUCK, THAT IS!

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Reply #110 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 7:55pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 10:00pm:
stryder wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:19pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 9:10pm:
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Likely make up according to the Australian website



Greens 10


Labor 27

Libs and Nats 33

Others 2
Xenophon
DLP


In doubt

1 seat in SA ~ 3 way between Xenophon, Libs, and Greens

1 seat in Qld ~ 3 way between
Katter, Palmer and Greens

1 in NSW ~ 2 way between
1 Nation and Libs

A.C.T ~ 2 way between
Libs and Greens.



Unlikely Abbott will get control so to be prepared, to me the most likely path for Abbott would to call a DD at the first opportunity before people go off the coalition.

Agree?

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/national-affairs/election-2013/liberal-hopes-of-...


Well Woody, we won't know the final outcome for a couple of days, BUT I voted today (because I won't be in my electorate on Saturday) AND I VOTED GREENS, NOT BECAUSE I LOVE OR EVEN AGREE WITH THE GREENS, BUT BECAUSE I AM LOOKING AT THE BALANCE ACT, BETWEEN THE LIKELY OUTCOME IN THE "LOWER HOUSE" AND FUTURE ECONOMIC & POLITICAL  OUTCOMES AND I WOULD SUGGEST THAT THE LIBS MAY RECONSIDER A DD, BECAUSE IT MAY NOT BE IN THEIR INTERESTS! 



Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Oh that is sooooo politically neutral of you.


No, not neutral, BUT DEFINITELY NOT PRO LABOR OR PRO LIBERAL!

Both major party's have NFI what is about to happen & frankly neither really gives a rats ass, PARTICULARLY ABOUT US!!

MY DECISION, ON WHO TO VOTE FOR, WAS PURELY ABOUT RISK MITIGATION, FUTURE RISK, END OF STORY!!!

 
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Reply #111 - Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:06pm
 
Shocked Shocked

Gawd.. we made the same decision.. for the same reason.. 

Percepnow..?  is this true??
   or am I getting these f'n quotes wrong again..?? Smiley
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Reply #112 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 4:42pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:36am:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 12:47am:
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 12:13am:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 4:56pm:
FRED

I think it's Labor's blatant lies and bandwagon  policies that put voters off

Border Security - bandwagon
Rudd went with the Greens policy in 2007 and then do the PNG Solution in 2013

Conservative economics
Rudd said he was an economic conservative then racks up $300B.

Climate change
Greatest moral challenge and he's flip flopped all over the place


Back on economics - in 2007 - the ALP convinced the Australian voters that economics was not important

Labor convinced voters you could put a baboon in the role and the Budget could be balanced

And they did put a baboon in there. And the Budgets were not balanced


Aussie voters have now come back to reality

They realised the fundamental of any government is economics


Well Maqqa, there is the usual SPIN!

NOW, we will see where REALITY starts, because both you & the Liberals have NFI, when it comes the current cause & effect of Economics, which is much the same as Labor!



Which part of it is spin?

Swan is worse than a baboon and you know it

Every economic prediction and promise they've had has not come true


Normally? Most of what you say!
http://www.budget.gov.au/2011-12/content/myefo/image/13_appendix_d-1.gif

The Tax take in 96-97 was 24.0% of GDP, the Tax take in 06-07 was 25.2%, the estimated Tax take for 12-13 is 23.9%.

Payments in 96-97 were 25.1%, Payments in 06-07 were 23.4%, the estimated Payments for 12-13 is 23.6%.

The period 1995-2006, saw a greatest Economic Boom of the Modern era, thanks to the Baby Boomer Boom.

The period 2006-now, has seen either the largest or 2nd largest Economic downturn in the modern era, thanks to the Baby Boomer after-party effects & the running down of Energy Supplies, plus the Energy Price spikes.

As I have said, there is SPIN, which is simple Politics, then there is REALITY, which is everyday not so simple Global Economics!



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So, forgetting the Maqqa SPIN, the actual REALITIES are:

During Liberal times -

Revenue/Receipts -

96/97: $133,592 - 24.0% of GDP
06/07: $272,637 - 25.2% of GDP
Total Revenue Growth 204%
Average Annual Growth - 20.4%

Expenditure/Payments -
96/97: $139,689 - 25.1% of GDP
06/07: $253,321 - 23.4% of GDP
Total Expenditure/Payments Growth 182%
Average Annual Growth - 18.2%


Whereas  during Labor times -

Revenue/Receipts -

07/08: $294,917 - 25.1% of GDP
12/13: $374,559 - 23.9% of GDP (Estimated)
Total Revenue Growth 79%
Average Annual Growth - 13.0%

Expenditure/Payments -
07/08: $271,843 - 23.1% of GDP
12/13: $370,069 - 23.6% of GDP
Total Expenditure/Payments Growth 136%
Average Annual Growth - 22.7%

Revenue/Receipts
So, again forgetting all the SPIN, the Liberals actual Revenue went UP by 1.2% of GDP, from their start year of 96/97 to their end year of 06/07.
Whilst the Labor actual Revenue went DOWN by 1.2% of GDP, from their start year of 07/08 to their likely finish at end year of 12/13.


Expenditure/Payments
Again, forgetting all the SPIN, the Liberals actual Expenditure/Payments went DOWN by 1.2% of GDP, from their start year of 96/97 to their end year of 06/07.
Whilst the Labor actual Expenditure/Payments went UP by 0.5% of GDP, from their start year of 07/08 to their likely finish at end year of 12/13.

Again, as previously highlighted, there were 2 major, but separate Economic events, during the period in question and those events were -
The period 1995-2006, saw a greatest Economic Boom of the Modern era, thanks to the Baby Boomer Boom.

The period 2006-now, has seen either the largest or 2nd largest Economic downturn in the modern era, thanks to the Baby Boomer after-party effects & the running down of Energy Supplies, plus the Energy Price spikes.


Finally, it should be said that the Liberals did pull back on Debt during 1996-2007, But they could have & should have, done better, given the Booming Economic period AND Labor did a reasonable job, given the Recession that has infected the Global from 2007-now, But they also screwed up some things, which could have & should have, been done better!!!

This is the Realities approach, that all Political Parties & all Political supporters MUST START TO DEAL WITH, IF WE ARE TO AVOID THE WORST OF WHAT REMAINS OF A VERY LONG ECONOMIC DOWNTURN!

There even used to be a word for it, But it has long since ceased to have any real meaning!
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Reply #113 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 4:51pm
 
Emma wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:06pm:
Shocked Shocked

Gawd.. we made the same decision.. for the same reason.. 

Percepnow..?  is this true??
   or am I getting these f'n quotes wrong again..?? Smiley



Well Emma, if you are referring to the following, then it may be so?
Both major party's have NFI what is about to happen & frankly neither really gives a rats ass, PARTICULARLY ABOUT US!!

MY DECISION, ON WHO TO VOTE FOR, WAS PURELY ABOUT RISK MITIGATION, FUTURE RISK, END OF STORY!!!

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Reply #114 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 11:14pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 4:42pm:
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 8:36am:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 12:47am:
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 12:13am:
Maqqa wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 4:56pm:
FRED

I think it's Labor's blatant lies and bandwagon  policies that put voters off

Border Security - bandwagon
Rudd went with the Greens policy in 2007 and then do the PNG Solution in 2013

Conservative economics
Rudd said he was an economic conservative then racks up $300B.

Climate change
Greatest moral challenge and he's flip flopped all over the place


Back on economics - in 2007 - the ALP convinced the Australian voters that economics was not important

Labor convinced voters you could put a baboon in the role and the Budget could be balanced

And they did put a baboon in there. And the Budgets were not balanced


Aussie voters have now come back to reality

They realised the fundamental of any government is economics


Well Maqqa, there is the usual SPIN!

NOW, we will see where REALITY starts, because both you & the Liberals have NFI, when it comes the current cause & effect of Economics, which is much the same as Labor!



Which part of it is spin?

Swan is worse than a baboon and you know it

Every economic prediction and promise they've had has not come true


Normally? Most of what you say!
http://www.budget.gov.au/2011-12/content/myefo/image/13_appendix_d-1.gif

The Tax take in 96-97 was 24.0% of GDP, the Tax take in 06-07 was 25.2%, the estimated Tax take for 12-13 is 23.9%.

Payments in 96-97 were 25.1%, Payments in 06-07 were 23.4%, the estimated Payments for 12-13 is 23.6%.

The period 1995-2006, saw a greatest Economic Boom of the Modern era, thanks to the Baby Boomer Boom.

The period 2006-now, has seen either the largest or 2nd largest Economic downturn in the modern era, thanks to the Baby Boomer after-party effects & the running down of Energy Supplies, plus the Energy Price spikes.

As I have said, there is SPIN, which is simple Politics, then there is REALITY, which is everyday not so simple Global Economics!



http://www.budget.gov.au/2011-12/content/myefo/image/13_appendix_d-1.gif

So, forgetting the Maqqa SPIN, the actual REALITIES are:

During Liberal times -

Revenue/Receipts -

96/97: $133,592 - 24.0% of GDP
06/07: $272,637 - 25.2% of GDP
Total Revenue Growth 204%
Average Annual Growth - 20.4%

Expenditure/Payments -
96/97: $139,689 - 25.1% of GDP
06/07: $253,321 - 23.4% of GDP
Total Expenditure/Payments Growth 182%
Average Annual Growth - 18.2%


Whereas  during Labor times -

Revenue/Receipts -

07/08: $294,917 - 25.1% of GDP
12/13: $374,559 - 23.9% of GDP (Estimated)
Total Revenue Growth 79%
Average Annual Growth - 13.0%

Expenditure/Payments -
07/08: $271,843 - 23.1% of GDP
12/13: $370,069 - 23.6% of GDP
Total Expenditure/Payments Growth 136%
Average Annual Growth - 22.7%

Revenue/Receipts
So, again forgetting all the SPIN, the Liberals actual Revenue went UP by 1.2% of GDP, from their start year of 96/97 to their end year of 06/07.
Whilst the Labor actual Revenue went DOWN by 1.2% of GDP, from their start year of 07/08 to their likely finish at end year of 12/13.


Expenditure/Payments
Again, forgetting all the SPIN, the Liberals actual Expenditure/Payments went DOWN by 1.2% of GDP, from their start year of 96/97 to their end year of 06/07.
Whilst the Labor actual Expenditure/Payments went UP by 0.5% of GDP, from their start year of 07/08 to their likely finish at end year of 12/13.

Again, as previously highlighted, there were 2 major, but separate Economic events, during the period in question and those events were -
The period 1995-2006, saw a greatest Economic Boom of the Modern era, thanks to the Baby Boomer Boom.

The period 2006-now, has seen either the largest or 2nd largest Economic downturn in the modern era, thanks to the Baby Boomer after-party effects & the running down of Energy Supplies, plus the Energy Price spikes.


Finally, it should be said that the Liberals did pull back on Debt during 1996-2007, But they could have & should have, done better, given the Booming Economic period AND Labor did a reasonable job, given the Recession that has infected the Global from 2007-now, But they also screwed up some things, which could have & should have, been done better!!!

This is the Realities approach, that all Political Parties & all Political supporters MUST START TO DEAL WITH, IF WE ARE TO AVOID THE WORST OF WHAT REMAINS OF A VERY LONG ECONOMIC DOWNTURN!

There even used to be a word for it, But it has long since ceased to have any real meaning!


So, we have acceptance of REALITY, from the SPIN brigade, including Maqqa & Longy!
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Boy perceptions, from what i gather you seem to think there is no right or wrong or even bad or good with how economies travel or go along ??
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Reply #116 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 11:49pm
 
stryder....??


My dearest sweetest long departed Mum...  told me something,  something that really is  true....
..I was  a child when first i heard it from her..  ... 

...over time I have come to recognise the wisdom...

so ??

she told me..

"Nothing is right or wrong....  only thinking makes it so.."


I admit I have pondered on this for a LONG TIME.

So..  relative to OZ and the Election??

Machiavellianism...

... rather aptly describes the state we find ourselves in ..

here in OZ .. Now..  Sad 


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Reply #117 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 11:53pm
 
perceptions_now wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 4:51pm:
Emma wrote on Sep 8th, 2013 at 8:06pm:
Shocked Shocked

Gawd.. we made the same decision.. for the same reason.. 

Percepnow..?  is this true??
   or am I getting these f'n quotes wrong again..?? Smiley



Well Emma, if you are referring to the following, then it may be so?
Both major party's have NFI what is about to happen & frankly neither really gives a rats ass, PARTICULARLY ABOUT US!!

MY DECISION, ON WHO TO VOTE FOR, WAS PURELY ABOUT RISK MITIGATION, FUTURE RISK, END OF STORY!!!



THIS IS TRUE.   

Hmm ? I am sure I replied to this post.. already...  Roll Eyes Huh

OK  .. so  YES .. that is precisely what I refer to   Smiley
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Reply #118 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:14am
 
stryder wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 11:20pm:
Boy perceptions, from what i gather you seem to think there is no right or wrong or even bad or good with how economies travel or go along ??


No, that would not be correct!

But, as it is getting late, I will have to come back to it, perhaps tomorrow!
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Reply #119 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 12:16am
 
Emma wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 11:49pm:
stryder....??


My dearest sweetest long departed Mum...  told me something,  something that really is  true....
..I was  a child when first i heard it from her..  ... 

...over time I have come to recognise the wisdom...

so ??

she told me..

"Nothing is right or wrong....  only thinking makes it so.."


I admit I have pondered on this for a LONG TIME.

So..  relative to OZ and the Election??

Machiavellianism...

... rather aptly describes the state we find ourselves in ..

here in OZ .. Now..  Sad 




Your mum was obviously a smart person, Emma!

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