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Reply #15 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:15pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 12:43pm:

cods wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

No sh!t Sherlock!

Pity is, that you, the Liberals & Labor, NONE OF YOU HAVE AY IDEA OF THE CAUSE, LET ALONE WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST 40-50 YEARS, NOR WHAT YOU SHOULD DO OVER THE NEXT 40-50 YEARS!!!

hey perc?.... has your life worked out exactly as you planned it 40/50 years ago?????..

I am not sure how anyone plans for "earthquakes".that may or may not happen in their lives.. but you must have done.

Unlike most natural earthquakes, where we mere mortals remain unaware of the quake, until they actually happen or at least very close to the event, this particular Global Economic earthquake has had indicators for about 40-50 years.

Certainly "those in the know", those with access to all the relevant Demographic, Energy Supply/Pricing & Climate factors have either known or should have known quite some time ago.

They ("those in the know OR thought they did") thought -
1) Like Longy, it had not happened before, so it never would!
2) "Something", like the cavalry riding to the rescue, would come along to save this from becoming a reality?
3) Then there were those who deliberately turned the other way, preferring short term rewards for themselves and a select few, at great cost to the long term future of the bulk of the Local & Global Public!

Whatever our view/s on what worked in the past & there were appropriate times for both Keynesian & Austrian Economic fixes, the reality of the current Global GFC is that neither Keynesian & Austrian Economic fixes will work, as they did previously and nor will the current "money printing" of the likes of Japan & the USA!

In my judgement, the standard Liberal across the board AUS-terity cuts (Austrian fix), which would have worked on most occasions over the last 200 years or so, is now the worst o all options, BUT neither will the Labor Keynesian approach work, although it would stretch the final demise out for a little longer, until Debt finally overwhelms the system.

This time we really will need to change the whole system and everyone will either contribute their fair share or they will all share in a greater amount of Economic pain!

There are now, no easy options, 40-50 years of inappropriate activity by those on both the Left & Right o Politics & those at the top of the tree, have ensured that only difficult options now remain!

Good luck!

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Reply #16 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:17pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

cods wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/18164803/labor-razor-gang-faces-dilem...

The Federal Government is facing a budget dilemma,
with the ABC learning revenues are around $8 billion lower than the May budget predicted.

The Government's razor gang met this morning to debate whether to implement painful budget cuts before the election or delay the return to surplus, currently scheduled for 2016-17.

The budget is in a tough position with the mining tax underperforming and revenue from other taxes also lower than expected.

Treasurer Chris Bowen today said Australia was also facing "dramatic reductions" in its terms of trade, but reaffirmed the intention to return to surplus on schedule.

The Government has got decisions to make on any potential cuts, but insiders insist the easy cuts have all already been made.

One Labor source questioned whether the Government should cause budget pain for the public at a time when Labor is just starting to perform better in the polls.

The Government will release its fiscal update next week, and Treasury will release its own accounting, the pre-election fiscal outlook (PEFO), early in the election campaign.

Earlier Friday, Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey questioned the motives for the release of the Government's fiscal update so close to the PEFO.

"Why is the Government releasing a comprehensive economic statement just a few days before the pre-election fiscal outlook? It is about trying to bully the Treasury into a fixed set of numbers," he said.

Mr Hockey questioned the independence of Treasury by saying the Coalition would not rely on its figures to frame its policy costings because they could not be trusted.

That was despite earlier in the year saying "the only numbers than we can rely on are the PEFO numbers released by the heads of department during the course of the election campaign".

Mr Hockey now says every time the Government publishes budget figures they are "dead-set wrong".

He says the Coalition will instead base its policy costings on figures from the Parliamentary Budget Office, state Coalition governments and independent advisers.

The Treasurer has rejected Mr Hockey's assertions about Treasury's independence.

"It is an insult not to me but to the Treasury and the Department of Finance, and I am sick and tired of the Opposition trashing the reputation of Australia's public servants," Mr Bowen said.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has backed his treasury spokesman.

"Joe was making the point that figures from this Government have never turned out to be true; never, never, never starting from their very first budget."

No sh!t Sherlock!

Pity is, that you, the Liberals & Labor, NONE OF YOU HAVE AY IDEA OF THE CAUSE, LET ALONE WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST 40-50 YEARS, NOR WHAT YOU SHOULD DO OVER THE NEXT 40-50 YEARS!!!

hey perc?.... has your life worked out exactly as you planned it 40/50 years ago?????..

I am not sure how anyone plans for "earthquakes".that may or may not happen in their lives.. but you must have done.

you will also not that Prozac_now never comes up with any solutions - just criticism. He hates debt and hates spending cuts. he seems to want it both ways while blaming everyone for everything.

clearly his medication is not working,

You assume too much, as usual! A solution, for everything, there is NOT!

As usual, you statements do not reflect the truth! I have no problem with Debt, Spending Cuts or Economic Stimulation measures, in the appropriate circumstances, of which there have been many, over the years, BUT NONE OF THEM WILL WORK NOW, FOR THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM, as the entire system has been destabilised over the last 40-50 years!

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Reply #18 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:20pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

cods wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 11:27pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 26^th, 2013 at 10:51pm:

http://au.news.yahoo.com/latest/a/-/latest/18164803/labor-razor-gang-faces-dilem...

The Federal Government is facing a budget dilemma,
with the ABC learning revenues are around $8 billion lower than the May budget predicted.

The Government's razor gang met this morning to debate whether to implement painful budget cuts before the election or delay the return to surplus, currently scheduled for 2016-17.

The budget is in a tough position with the mining tax underperforming and revenue from other taxes also lower than expected.

Treasurer Chris Bowen today said Australia was also facing "dramatic reductions" in its terms of trade, but reaffirmed the intention to return to surplus on schedule.

The Government has got decisions to make on any potential cuts, but insiders insist the easy cuts have all already been made.

One Labor source questioned whether the Government should cause budget pain for the public at a time when Labor is just starting to perform better in the polls.

The Government will release its fiscal update next week, and Treasury will release its own accounting, the pre-election fiscal outlook (PEFO), early in the election campaign.

Earlier Friday, Opposition treasury spokesman Joe Hockey questioned the motives for the release of the Government's fiscal update so close to the PEFO.

"Why is the Government releasing a comprehensive economic statement just a few days before the pre-election fiscal outlook? It is about trying to bully the Treasury into a fixed set of numbers," he said.

Mr Hockey questioned the independence of Treasury by saying the Coalition would not rely on its figures to frame its policy costings because they could not be trusted.

That was despite earlier in the year saying "the only numbers than we can rely on are the PEFO numbers released by the heads of department during the course of the election campaign".

Mr Hockey now says every time the Government publishes budget figures they are "dead-set wrong".

He says the Coalition will instead base its policy costings on figures from the Parliamentary Budget Office, state Coalition governments and independent advisers.

The Treasurer has rejected Mr Hockey's assertions about Treasury's independence.

"It is an insult not to me but to the Treasury and the Department of Finance, and I am sick and tired of the Opposition trashing the reputation of Australia's public servants," Mr Bowen said.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott has backed his treasury spokesman.

"Joe was making the point that figures from this Government have never turned out to be true; never, never, never starting from their very first budget."

No sh!t Sherlock!

Pity is, that you, the Liberals & Labor, NONE OF YOU HAVE AY IDEA OF THE CAUSE, LET ALONE WHAT YOU SHOULD HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST 40-50 YEARS, NOR WHAT YOU SHOULD DO OVER THE NEXT 40-50 YEARS!!!

hey perc?.... has your life worked out exactly as you planned it 40/50 years ago?????..

I am not sure how anyone plans for "earthquakes".that may or may not happen in their lives.. but you must have done.

you will also not that Prozac_now never comes up with any solutions - just criticism. He hates debt and hates spending cuts. he seems to want it both ways while blaming everyone for everything.

clearly his medication is not working,

You assume too much, as usual! A solution, for everything, there is NOT!

As usual, you statements do not reflect the truth! I have no problem with Debt, Spending Cuts or Economic Stimulation measures, in the appropriate circumstances, of which there have been many, over the years, BUT NONE OF THEM WILL WORK NOW, FOR THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM, as the entire system has been destabilised over the last 40-50 years!

so in short, you are saying that you have no answers or solutions. WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, oh depressed one.

As usual, your statement is incorrect!

You said that, I never comes up with any solutions.

What I said is that, there is not necessarily a solution for everything & in this instance there is no solution, which would restore the "status quo", in either the short or medium term and certainly not without a great deal of shared pain for all!

Btw, which of the following options, per my following post, do you think primarily fit you OR is it simply all of them?

They ("those in the know OR thought they did") thought -
1) Like Longy, it had not happened before, so it never would!
2) "Something", like the cavalry riding to the rescue, would come along to save this from becoming a reality?
3) Then there were those who deliberately turned the other way, preferring short term rewards for themselves and a select few, at great cost to the long term future of the bulk of the Local & Global Public!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374843119/16#16

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Reply #19 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:22pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:56pm:

Maqqa wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:31pm:

It's interesting when bad things happen - perception will blame the LibLab

But perception offers no alternative party that will win the required 70+ seats to form government

When pressed further - it is clear perception is a Labor voter

As usual Maqqa, you are incorrect!

On voting record I said many times, I have voted Liberal, Labor & candle stick maker, depending on the circumstances.

As for recommending an alternative, Why would I offer any Political Party, in the current circumstances, as NONE ARE CAPABLE OF FIXING THAT WHICH TOOK LABOR & THE LIBERALS SOME 40-50 YEARS OF STUPIDITY & GREED!

And yes, I largely blame the Lib/Labs, their short-termism, their dis-regard of reality & their cow-tailing to vested interests!

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Reply #20 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:26pm

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:40pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 7:13pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:58pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 6:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:55pm:

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 3:28pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 2:48pm:

cods wrote on Jul 27^th, 2013 at 7:59am:

hey perc?.... has your life worked out exactly as you planned it 40/50 years ago?????..

I am not sure how anyone plans for "earthquakes".that may or may not happen in their lives.. but you must have done.

you will also not that Prozac_now never comes up with any solutions - just criticism. He hates debt and hates spending cuts. he seems to want it both ways while blaming everyone for everything.

clearly his medication is not working,

You assume too much, as usual! A solution, for everything, there is NOT!

As usual, you statements do not reflect the truth! I have no problem with Debt, Spending Cuts or Economic Stimulation measures, in the appropriate circumstances, of which there have been many, over the years, BUT NONE OF THEM WILL WORK NOW, FOR THE SHORT TO MEDIUM TERM, as the entire system has been destabilised over the last 40-50 years!

so in short, you are saying that you have no answers or solutions. WHICH WAS EXACTLY WHAT I SAID, oh depressed one.

As usual, your statement is incorrect!

You said that, I never comes up with any solutions.

What I said is that, there is not necessarily a solution for everything & in this instance there is no solution, which would restore the "status quo", in either the short or medium term and certainly not without a great deal of shared pain for all!

Btw, which of the following options, per my following post, do you think primarily fit you OR is it simply all of them?

They ("those in the know OR thought they did") thought -
1) Like Longy, it had not happened before, so it never would!
2) "Something", like the cavalry riding to the rescue, would come along to save this from becoming a reality?
3) Then there were those who deliberately turned the other way, preferring short term rewards for themselves and a select few, at great cost to the long term future of the bulk of the Local & Global Public!
http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1374843119/16#16

you certainly are a weirdo, Prozac_now. I say you have never provided solutions and your protesting reply includes... NOT ONE SOLUTION. has it ever occurred to you that you could skewer my comments by simply providing those self-same solutions?

you talk and talk ad nauseum, criticising anyone and everyone for their economic policies and promises and yet not once, do you ever offer an alternative. That's lame enough on its own but when you say that you HAVE but never post them... you look like a weirdo.

Did you ever learn how to read Longy, I said -
"What I said is that, there is not necessarily a solution for everything & in this instance there is no solution, which would restore the "status quo", in either the short or medium term and certainly not without a great deal of shared pain for all!"

Did you ever learn how to read Longy, I said -
"What I said is that, there is not necessarily a solution for everything & in this instance there is no solution, which would restore the "status quo", in either the short or medium term and certainly not without a great deal of shared pain for all!"

You really do have some serious lack of capacities, in a number of areas!

How's your education going Longy?
Have you learned about the 3R's yet?
You know - Reading, Riting & Rithmetic?
Well, at least, you got a chance with the Riting, after all you are on the Rite side of politics?

all you ever is 'gah! we are all going to die' and then say there are no solutions. Of what value do you think you are to anyone? You are the same bozo saying we would run out of oil in 1985 and even worse... still say so.

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Reply #21 - Aug 26^th, 2013 at 12:28pm

perceptions_now wrote on Jul 28^th, 2013 at 11:13pm: