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Reply #15 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 5:24pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

muso wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 10:01pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

I don't know about the year 2030 but yeah I could believe that the US would push for electric cars and solar panels not to just its citizens but for the whole world.

Its not because they care for the environment or anything don't be so stupid.

Its to save the world's oil for their war machines.

Think about it, no oil for the US.....there goes their military might. Wink

Electric vehicles run rings around internal combustion engines. They have huge torque at low revs.

Do you know what we should be saving oil for? Petrochemicals.
We shouldn't be burning it. That's a waste of resources apart from anything else.

So how long would a battery last powering a tank or any heavy military vechile.

What about war ships and jet fighter planes....??????

Somehow I don't think so.

10 years plus from experience.
They could all run on biofuels.

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Reply #16 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 5:58pm

muso wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 5:24pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 4:44pm:

muso wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 10:01pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 26^th, 2013 at 6:26pm:

I don't know about the year 2030 but yeah I could believe that the US would push for electric cars and solar panels not to just its citizens but for the whole world.

Its not because they care for the environment or anything don't be so stupid.

Its to save the world's oil for their war machines.

Think about it, no oil for the US.....there goes their military might. Wink

Electric vehicles run rings around internal combustion engines. They have huge torque at low revs.

Do you know what we should be saving oil for? Petrochemicals.
We shouldn't be burning it. That's a waste of resources apart from anything else.

So how long would a battery last powering a tank or any heavy military vechile.

What about war ships and jet fighter planes....??????

Somehow I don't think so.

10 years plus from experience.
They could all run on biofuels.

Do you really think its a good idea to turn our food resources into fuel for the military......??????

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Reply #17 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:59pm

muso wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:44am:

You can do it now. Nobody is stopping you from wiring up your own 24 V DC system.

Thanks Muso... I may be able to do it now.. I'm not technical...

but I can't do it now... cost is prohibitive.

If I were younger, that wouldn't have the same import as it does at this time in my life.

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Reply #19 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:27pm

Emma wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:59pm:

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but I can't do it now... cost is prohibitive.
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Perhaps one of our local electricity suppliers will follow the lead of New Zealand network operator Vector Quote:

Vector offered a $NZ1,999 up-front payment, and leasing options over 12 years that meant that the entire package would amount to a reduction in the household’s electricity bills.

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Reply #20 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:15pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Do you really think its a good idea to turn our food resources into fuel for the military......??????

Google grassahol, Jatropha and Sweet Sorghum. Sweet Sorghum and Jatropha will survive in arid regions where agriculture is not normally a viable prospect.

http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Australian-Firm-To-Provide-Jat...

Ethanol from sugar cane is one thing, but what about ethanol from sugar cane bagasse?

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/798/

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Reply #21 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:27pm

Solar Boats. How about Solar and wind hybrid ships?

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At $2.5 million apiece, the cost of the UT Wind Challenger sails could be recovered in five to ten years assuming 25% fuel savings, according to Uzawa. He plans to build a half-size prototype vessel and sea trials as early as 2016.

The only limit is our imagination.

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Reply #22 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:30pm

# wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:02pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

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Do you really think its a good idea to turn our food resources into fuel for the military......??????

Why would you do any such thing? http://www.ozpolitic.com/forum/YaBB.pl?num=1376282827

Well a first for everything, I could go for that.

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Reply #23 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:34pm

muso wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:15pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 5:58pm:

Do you really think its a good idea to turn our food resources into fuel for the military......??????

Google grassahol, Jatropha and Sweet Sorghum. Sweet Sorghum and Jatropha will survive in arid regions where agriculture is not normally a viable prospect.

http://oilprice.com/Latest-Energy-News/World-News/Australian-Firm-To-Provide-Jat...

Ethanol from sugar cane is one thing, but what about ethanol from sugar cane bagasse?

http://www.ecogeek.org/content/view/798/

And that too.

I'm not against clean energy, i'm not against cleaning up manmade pollution like chemicals dumped into our water ways and land.

What I am against is being told a lie so we can all be taxed on the air we breath for EVER, only to form a $2 trillion dollar carbon credit market for the people who just keep smacking us over every ten years or so.

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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Solar and storage means “game over” Reply #25 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:49pm The only lies you are being told is by the likes of Anthony Watts. That said, if we can replace all fossil fuels with renewable energy, there will be no need for a carbon tax. Carbon trading is not a long term requirement anyway.
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Reply #26 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm

@ Muso

Jatropha is in Australia as a noxious weed.

If we ever want to use it we need to do a bit of work, keeping it from escaping and becoming more of a weed pest.
Then it could only be handled mechanically because it is a mother biter toxic plant that causes cancer in humans.

Perhaps it was the original Triffid

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Reply #27 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:00pm

miketrees wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:54pm:

@ Muso

Jatropha is in Australia as a noxious weed.

If we ever want to use it we need to do a bit of work, keeping it from escaping and becoming more of a weed pest.
Then it could only be handled mechanically because it is a mother biter toxic plant that causes cancer in humans.

Perhaps it was the original Triffid

Now I'll have to do a search. There is a type of Jatropha that's a noxious weed. It's Jatropha gossyphylla (bellyache bush)

Of course you're right though. We need to have quarantine measures to prevent it escaping.

Maybe sweet sorghum is a better prospect.

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Reply #28 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:11pm

muso wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

The only lies you are being told is by the likes of Anthony Watts.

That said, if we can replace all fossil fuels with renewable energy, there will be no need for a carbon tax.

Carbon trading is not a long term requirement anyway.

You honestly believe that if bankers form a $2 trillion dollar market they will let it die out.

Dude once its up and running reducing CO2 will be the last thing on there minds.

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Reply #29 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:14pm

Emma wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

in other words///

there has to be a better way to do this .. Huh

Definitely lets do it our selves here in Australia.

We don't need to send billions to the United Nations Green fund and the IPCC to participate in carbon credit market.

Aussies have always had the nouse to do most things, I think we still have it.

All that money can be used here for grass roots action

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