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Reply #30 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:42pm

yes I agree...

much as the 'movers and shakers' may want to hedge their bets .. (everybody got to get stoned!) ... ...

there IS NO reason why we cannot act unilaterally.. except??

we don't own our own country... we are a raping ground for multi-nationals, aided and abetted by our own government and RICH LIST.

Nothing GOOD can be allowed to become a universal solution to our environmental problems, UNLESS it will ultimately return a GREATER PROFIT.

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Reply #31 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 12:17am

Emma wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:42pm:

Well said.................

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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Reply #32 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:54am

Ajax wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:11pm:

muso wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:49pm:

The only lies you are being told is by the likes of Anthony Watts.

That said, if we can replace all fossil fuels with renewable energy, there will be no need for a carbon tax.

Carbon trading is not a long term requirement anyway.

You honestly believe that if bankers form a $2 trillion dollar market they will let it die out.

Dude once its up and running reducing CO2 will be the last thing on there minds.

What if there is no fossil fuel being burnt? It will happen one day.

It doesn't actually have to be totally zero CO2 emissions. As you know, the biosphere has a certain buffering capacity.

You're talking 11 Gigatonnes right now. When we can reduce carbon emissions worldwide by about 60- 70%, it will start to have an effect.

It's not unfeasible by a long shot.

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Reply #33 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 9:12am

Emma wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:42pm:

Nothing GOOD can be allowed to become a universal solution to our environmental problems, UNLESS it will ultimately return a GREATER PROFIT.

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You're right. It has to be a win-win solution. The cheapest form of power right now is advanced natural gas Combined Cycle turbine generation.

The overall cost in USD/MWh is about $65. If we compare that to Coal, conventional coal is around $99. Then if you want to add on carbon capture, the cost increases to $140- almost double the cost. Coal is on its way out. Coal Fired Power Stations are under immense pressure to cut costs (I worked for one until recently), but the writing is on the wall.

Meanwhile, the cost of solar PV and wind generation continues to fall. It is a good commercial proposition to opt for solar or wind generation even without subsidies.

Wind generation is around $99 per MWhr and falling. It is predicted to fall by 20% in the next 10 years.

Compare that to Solar PV at $156.9 (falling rapidly) and Hydro Electricity at $89.

These values are total system levelised cost and account for transmission losses. The figures come from the US.

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Reply #34 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 2:58pm

muso wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:54am:

What if there is no fossil fuel being burnt? It will happen one day.

Yeah one day but your talking hundreds if not thousands of year due to new discoveries.

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It doesn't actually have to be totally zero CO2 emissions. As you know, the biosphere has a certain buffering capacity.

When fossil fuels where first discovered they where heralded as CHEAP energy for the masses not only the rich but the poor alike, that's you, me and everyone else on here.

Now why all of a sudden do bankers feel the need to make the whole humanity pay up for their use of fossil fuels.

I don't mind if they come up with other alternatives as long as they are as cheap as fossil fuels.

But taxing the air we breath to form a $2 trillion dollar carbon credit market really gets under my skin.

But the really stupid thing is when the market is up and running, they will try to keep it going strong, meaning manmade CO2 emission will go up not down.

And you support this scheme...???

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You're talking 11 Gigatonnes right now. When we can reduce carbon emissions worldwide by about 60- 70%, it will start to have an effect.

It's not unfeasible by a long shot.

I don't believe manmade CO2 emissions are having the effect that the IPCC is telling us there having.

Nearly all the IPCC's hypothesis which are mainly based on computer circulation models have been wrong, how can you have faith in them after so many mistakes.

The IPCC is a political body run by the United Nations which in turn are run by the World Bank which in turn is run by......????

1. There has never been a more serious assault on our standard of living than Anthropogenic Global Warming..Ajax
2. "One hour of freedom is worth more than 40 years of slavery & prison" Regas Feraeos

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