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Re: You views on paid parental leave..
Reply #60 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:42pm

Andrei.Hicks wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:15pm:

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Do those that are on $150,000, the top 10 per cent of income earners, not have enough to provide?. Sad

Mate in Melbourne we had

Mortgage of $4,200 per month
Two cars costing $500 per month to run
Utilities of $750 per quarter all up
Groceries etc of $800 per month
Phone bills of $200 per month

The net income after tax of ones earner was only $11,000 per month.

Doesn't leave very much when flights to England cost $10,000 for us all.

There isn't much left.

buy a smaller house, use one car, throw away your mobile.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74264 Gender:	Re: You views on paid parental leave.. Reply #61 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:45pm why should he do without Quantum ? ... he needs the 10 bedroom house, let the smacking pensioners do without the lazy sods ... obviously they didn't work as hard as he does ... (sarcasm)
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Reply #62 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:53pm

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Well Andrei. May god help you, if you ever become unemployed.

Be all the pensioner you can be!

a. take every hit the dumb clowns running the economy can give you for fifty years

b. Take every hit in every goddamned social revolution imposed on us over fifty years

c. Do every hard yard in life and end up treated like a leftover in your own country

d. retire on a pittance and watch every entitlement princess get everything you never had free of charge

So - er - how does the pensioner lady on $19,000 get by? About three months mortgages for Andrei's mate... couldn't run the cars at all... no trip to London to see the Queen...

Gotta love the value system by which we live......

Reminds:- 40% of the Australian workforce - not including pensioners and unemployed - have unstable incomes and thus no solid future..... Cheesy

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 74264 Gender:	Re: You views on paid parental leave.. Reply #63 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:55pm Did Abbott mention his scheme will cost mum and dad investors $1.6 B ??? I bet he missed that bit ...I didn't see it on any Murdoch sites either ... although to be fair, I only skimmed through some of them quickly http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-27/chris-bowen-correct-parental-leave-scheme/...
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Reply #64 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:59pm

John Smith wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:45pm:

why should he do without Quantum ? ... he needs the 10 bedroom house, let the smacking pensioners do without the lazy sods ... obviously they didn't work as hard as he does ...

(sarcasm)

Scary isn't it? This forum continues to amaze me. If it is not poor people like warrigal who refuses to work and expects the government to look after him, it is a well off person like Hicks who thinks the government should reward him for his success. What the hell happened to working for a wage and then living within it?

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Reply #65 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:02pm

Grappler Truth Teller Feller wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 9:53pm:

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Well Andrei. May god help you, if you ever become unemployed.

Be all the pensioner you can be!

a. take every hit the dumb clowns running the economy can give you for fifty years

b. Take every hit in every goddamned social revolution imposed on us over fifty years

c. Do every hard yard in life and end up treated like a leftover in your own country

d. retire on a pittance and watch every entitlement princess get everything you never had free of charge

So - er - how does the pensioner lady on $19,000 get by? About three months mortgages for Andrei's mate... couldn't run the cars at all... no trip to London to see the Queen...

Gotta love the value system by which we live......

Reminds:- 40% of the Australian workforce - not including pensioners and unemployed - have unstable incomes and thus no solid future..... Cheesy

The funny thing is, most of them probably live happier and more rewarding lives then someone who can't get by on 3 smacking thousand dollars a week.

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Re: You views on paid parental leave..
Reply #66 - Aug 27^th, 2013 at 10:41pm

mantra wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 8:35pm:

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Do those that are on $150,000, the top 10 per cent of income earners, not have enough to provide?. Sad

The higher your income - the higher your expenses. Those on good incomes have higher mortgages, more expensive cars and like eating out at nice restaurants. No tuna on toast for them. Their clothes are better quality, therefore cost more and they have to pay for a private school for their children. A wealthy person's lifestyle is expensive to maintain therefore the PPL needs to provide for the Rolls Royce of baby products.

The top THREE PERCENT, i think

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Reply #67 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 6:27am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 12:12pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 12:08pm:

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 12:01pm:

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 11:58am:

Mandating Maternity leave provisions makes employers baulk at hiring women ...

And Tony Abbott is quite aware of that.

As is the ALP ?

Indeed.

However, the ALP are doing it in the tradition of the welfare state.

Abbott is doing it in the tradition of conservative misogyny, wanting to keep women out of the workforce. If you believe anything else, you are even more gullible than everyone says you are.

That's right, Gregerypeccary. Only Labor and the Greens give people money in good faith. The conservatives are evil in whatever they do. Only we progressives are smart enough to see this.

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Dsmithy70 Gold Member Offline ire futuis vobismetipsis Posts: 13147 Newy Gender:	Re: You views on paid parental leave.. Reply #68 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:02am Nice Troll Andrei
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Reply #69 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:40am

Quantum

This issue has been going on for decades in SW Sydney where they have an intergenerational welfare dependency problem where parents seem to teach their offspring how to rort the system. Its also a high area for teenage pregnancy ...... no care or deliberate, given the education levels on such and easy availability of contraceptives there is no excuse for such.

This disease seems to be spreading as you can see from many of the posters here that many more now has a air of self entitlement about them.

I remember a documentary where they had a family on welfare making around 60k on a current affairs show and they compared it to another family where the mother and father were working earning the same.

The arrogance of the welfare recipients was obnoxious, when they talked to the working parents the mother said she was actually aware she could do the same but felt setting a good example to her kids was more important.

My mother refers to it as the protestant working class upbringing, going on welfare was just never an option.

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 136523 Gender:	Re: You views on paid parental leave.. Reply #70 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:43am Postmodern Trendoid wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 6:27am: That's right, Gregerypeccary. Only Labor and the Greens give people money in good faith. The conservatives are evil in whatever they do. You're learning, Misty. You're learning.
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Re: You views on paid parental leave..
Reply #71 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:54am

The Thinking Mans Grappler

Both my parents has passed away and they did not live off the state and had a fair bit left to passed on.

My wife' mother is still around and is a self funded retiree that is sitting in a big house worth over a million and is a very cashed up. She doesn't feel the need to hit up the government for more. She is also very frugal to the point where we have to tell her to spend her money .... go out and enjoy it.

Given we have compulsory super, many retiring now will get very little to nothing from the government other than desperate grabs on their retirement savings which to me should be free of all taxes.

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warrigal Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 2569 australia Gender:	Re: You views on paid parental leave.. Reply #72 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 10:26am Ex Dame Pansi wrote on Aug 27^th, 2013 at 7:19am: Remember when welfare was for those who needed it? well we do need it, make it available to all and not just the wealthy or working people.
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Re: You views on paid parental leave..
Reply #73 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 10:30am

RightSadFred wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:40am:

Quantum

This issue has been going on for decades in SW Sydney where they have an intergenerational welfare dependency problem where parents seem to teach their offspring how to rort the system. Its also a high area for teenage pregnancy ...... no care or deliberate, given the education levels on such and easy availability of contraceptives there is no excuse for such.

This disease seems to be spreading as you can see from many of the posters here that many more now has a air of self entitlement about them.

I remember a documentary where they had a family on welfare making around 60k on a current affairs show and they compared it to another family where the mother and father were working earning the same.

The arrogance of the welfare recipients was obnoxious, when they talked to the working parents the mother said she was actually aware she could do the same but felt setting a good example to her kids was more important.

My mother refers to it as the protestant working class upbringing, going on welfare was just never an option.

oh do name names then fred

if you don't like people on welfare make the jobs available to them.

no welfare dependant family would be on 60k

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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40708 Gender:	Re: You views on paid parental leave.. Reply #74 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 10:32am they should pay stupid useless people to NOT have babies. And pay better people MORE than their salary to have kids.
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