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Abbott's Solution to Climate Change
Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:46pm

Did I hear right? Abbott's solution in the debate to tackle climate change is to set up a 15,000 strong "Green Army" to work on weekends to pick up litter and clear rubbish from creeks and rivers so we can "restore the natural beauty of this great country of ours" (or words to that effect). Is he serious? That's what Australia's contribution will be to addressing this world disaster that is climate change. A clean up Australia day? .

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Kat Gold Member Offline Socialism IS the answer. Posts: 17709 Everywhere and no-where Gender:	Re: Abbott's Solution to Climate Change Reply #1 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:50pm Don't forget forced labour via WfD, working for a pittance and no credit, planting trees. That'll be a major component of Tony's 'idea'.
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Reply #2 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:50pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Did I hear right? Abbott's solution in the debate to tackle climate change is to set up a 15,000 strong "Green Army" to work on weekends to pick up litter and clear rubbish from creeks and rivers so we can "restore the natural beauty of this great country of ours" (or words to that effect). Is he serious? That's what Australia's contribution will be to addressing this world disaster that is climate change. A clean up Australia day? .

What climate phuking change? Climate change topics should be placed in the New Religions and Cults department.

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True Blue... Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 3748 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Solution to Climate Change Reply #3 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:56pm why would anyone object to working for their money? why do bludgers think they have the right just to sit on their fat asses only to get off it once a fortnight to go cash a welfare cheque that is paid by Australian WORKERS?
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Reply #4 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:07pm

salad in wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:50pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Did I hear right? Abbott's solution in the debate to tackle climate change is to set up a 15,000 strong "Green Army" to work on weekends to pick up litter and clear rubbish from creeks and rivers so we can "restore the natural beauty of this great country of ours" (or words to that effect). Is he serious? That's what Australia's contribution will be to addressing this world disaster that is climate change. A clean up Australia day? .

What climate phuking change? Climate change topics should be placed in the New Religions and Cults department.

Come on SI, you don't believe that. Truth is you don't want to lift a finger to prevent the disaster that awaits your fellow humans (and probably your own family and children) because you wont be here to see it. So you make up this lie that you don't believe in climate change when you couldn't possibly be qualified to make that judgment contrary to the overwhelming opinion of the climate experts who work in the field. Come on admit it. You don't really give a Fu!k that its true because you don't want to put yourself out. At least have the courage to say what and who you are.

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Reply #5 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:12pm

True Blue... wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

why would anyone object to working for their money?

why do bludgers think they have the right just to sit on their fat asses only to get off it once a fortnight to go cash a welfare cheque that is paid by Australian WORKERS?

My experiance in the past is that those who scream the loudest about dole bludgers tend to have done a great deal of bludging of their own in the past, especially those who make a big show of draping themselves in the flag

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Re: Abbott's Solution to Climate Change
Reply #6 - Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:12pm

True Blue... wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

why would anyone object to working for their money?

why do bludgers think they have the right just to sit on their fat asses only to get off it once a fortnight to go cash a welfare cheque that is paid by Australian WORKERS?

Why do you assume they're bludgers?

You really do come across as having no idea, but a lot of bigotry.

BTW, I've no issue with getting the unemployed to plant trees.

But, pay them a decent wage for doing so, FFS!!

Not the rubbish WfD payment.

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Reply #7 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:02am

Germans discover overlooked climate change factor

German scientists say they've identified a previously overlooked factor in climate change.

In a study just published, they say one effect of global warming is that the oceans will release less of a gas which helps shield the Earth from the sun's radiation.

That means the oceans themselves will act as a significant contributor to climate change.

An Australian expert says it's a very significant study and she agrees with the authors that it should be factored into future climate change projections.

more here

http://www.radioaustralia.net.au/international/radio/program/pacific-beat/german...

now we can add another 0.5 degree of warming to estimates.

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Reply #8 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:39am

Kat wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:12pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

why would anyone object to working for their money?

why do bludgers think they have the right just to sit on their fat asses only to get off it once a fortnight to go cash a welfare cheque that is paid by Australian WORKERS?

Why do you assume they're bludgers?

You really do come across as having no idea, but a lot of bigotry.

BTW, I've no issue with getting the unemployed to plant trees.

But, pay them a decent wage for doing so, FFS!!

Not the rubbish WfD payment.

im sure there's people out there that will get off their butts and have a go...

they are the ones who don't incessantly complain non stop about getting "their" money (welfare) and spending it on what ever they want... smokes, alcohol and pokie machines... as though they somehow think the WORLD owes them a living...

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Re: Abbott's Solution to Climate Change
Reply #9 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 8:32am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:12pm:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:56pm:

why would anyone object to working for their money?

why do bludgers think they have the right just to sit on their fat asses only to get off it once a fortnight to go cash a welfare cheque that is paid by Australian WORKERS?

My experiance in the past is that those who scream the loudest about dole bludgers tend to have done a great deal of bludging of their own in the past, especially those who make a big show of draping themselves in the flag

Your personal experience... Grin

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Reply #10 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 8:34am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 8:07pm:

Come on SI, you don't believe that. Truth is you don't want to lift a finger to prevent the disaster that awaits your fellow humans (and probably your own family and children) because you wont be here to see it. So you make up this lie that you don't believe in climate change when you couldn't possibly be qualified to make that judgment contrary to the overwhelming opinion of the climate experts who work in the field. Come on admit it. You don't really give a Fu!k that its true because you don't want to put yourself out. At least have the courage to say what and who you are.

IS2, I usually get the Mormons or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints knocking on my door spreading the word of sweet Jesus (who is rich in mercy). I turn them away. In your case it seems those with a message from the make believe world have taken to pounding away at the keyboard to spread the word. You can't disarm me with a warm smile and a silly look on your face; I smell religion. I have my own religion; I am a New Age Muslim and as such I hate you and want to see you beheaded or at least have a limb hacked off. Ain't religion swell?

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greggerypeccary Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 139402 Gender:	Re: Abbott's Solution to Climate Change Reply #11 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 9:44am True Blue... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:39am: they are the ones who don't incessantly complain non stop about getting "their" money (welfare) and spending it on what ever they want... So you think other people should decide what they spend their money on? What's the rationale behind that?
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Re: Abbott's Solution to Climate Change
Reply #12 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 10:34am

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Did I hear right? Abbott's solution in the debate to tackle climate change is to set up a 15,000 strong "Green Army" to work on weekends to pick up litter and clear rubbish from creeks and rivers so we can "restore the natural beauty of this great country of ours" (or words to that effect). Is he serious? That's what Australia's contribution will be to addressing this world disaster that is climate change. A clean up Australia day? .

Considering Australia could cease all emissions tomorrow and it wouldn’t make I iota of difference to world wide emissions – what to you suggest should/can be done?

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Reply #13 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 10:53am

greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 9:44am:

True Blue... wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 7:39am:

they are the ones who don't incessantly complain non stop about getting "their" money (welfare) and spending it on what ever they want...

So you think other people should decide what they spend their money on?

What's the rationale behind that?

To try and stop people spending “welfare” on illicit drugs for starters. Or do you think welfare should be used to break the law?

Welfare recipients should be helped to restrict their spending on alcohol, cigarettes and tattoos as well.

And gambling.

And facial piercings.

We should also help fat welfare recipients.

None of these are necessities; they are selfish indulgences for people receiving welfare, usually to the detriment of families.

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Re: Abbott's Solution to Climate Change
Reply #14 - Aug 29^th, 2013 at 4:38pm

FriYAY wrote on Aug 29^th, 2013 at 10:34am:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28^th, 2013 at 7:46pm:

Did I hear right? Abbott's solution in the debate to tackle climate change is to set up a 15,000 strong "Green Army" to work on weekends to pick up litter and clear rubbish from creeks and rivers so we can "restore the natural beauty of this great country of ours" (or words to that effect). Is he serious? That's what Australia's contribution will be to addressing this world disaster that is climate change. A clean up Australia day? .

Considering Australia could cease all emissions tomorrow and it wouldn’t make I iota of difference to world wide emissions – what to you suggest should/can be done?

First, it is simply not correct to say that if Australia "ceased all emissions tomorrow it wouldn’t make I iota [sic] of difference to world wide emissions"

I don't know the proportion of world CO2 emissions Australia is responsible for but it does appear to be accepted that on a per capita basis Australians are the highest emitters of any developed country. On that basis alone we should be doing our bit rather than expecting others from poorer countries, with much lower living standards and harder working conditions to carry us. At the very least we should continue with a Trading Emissions Scheme (over 50 jurisdictions around the world including the UK (conservative government) Europe and China run a TES and most suffered far more then we did during the Great Recession). But in my opinion we should definitely keep a carbon tax on the books that more truly reflects the price we all pay for carbon emissions because, amongst other things, a price on carbon will promote renewable electricity generation; give us and business a stronger incentive to use energy more wisely, drive innovations in technology, and hopefully will arrest this mad philosophy that we must consume, consume and consume more until we drop.

Despite your harsh attitude to people on the dole, you seem to think that its OK for Australians to do nothing and expect the rest of the world to pay the price to fix/mitigate the climate change problem. Sorry but one has to ask, whose the bludger?

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