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Reply #15 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 4:46pm
 
It's about time our major carbon pollution we export were paying their way.

Coal export levy proposed by Australian Greens

Thermal coal exports should have a $2 a tonne levy imposed on them to raise $350 million a year for flood mitigation projects, the Australian Greens say.

http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/queensland/coal-export-levy-proposed-by-australi...


Abbott wants to be government so will want to fun Direct Inaction and his parental leave scheme for the rich so will want more income.

Here it is Mr Abbott.
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Reply #16 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 4:47pm
 
salad in wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:34am:
IS2, I usually get the Mormons or members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints knocking on my door spreading the word of sweet Jesus (who is rich in mercy). I turn them away. In your case it seems those with a message from the make believe world have taken to pounding away at the keyboard to spread the word. You can't disarm me with a warm smile and a silly look on your face; I smell religion. I have my own religion; I am a New Age Muslim and as such I hate you and want to see you beheaded or at least have a limb hacked off. Ain't religion swell?


Hey SI, that's OK, I didn't expect you to have the courage to honestly answer the question.   
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Reply #17 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 5:35pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 10:34am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 7:46pm:
Did I hear right?  Abbott's solution in the debate to tackle climate change is to set up a 15,000 strong "Green Army" to work on weekends to pick up litter and clear rubbish from creeks and rivers so we can "restore the natural beauty of this great country of ours" (or words to that effect).  Is he serious? That's what Australia's contribution will be to addressing this world disaster that is climate change. A clean up Australia day?        .



Considering Australia could cease all emissions tomorrow and it wouldn’t make I iota of difference to world wide emissions – what to you suggest should/can be done?



Well, it is POSSIBLE that OZ could cease all emissions tomorrow? But, on a scale of
1 - Being, we absolutely will cease tomorrow &
1 Trillion (or 1,000,000,000,000) - Being, we absolutely won't cease tomorrow

Then, I would suggest that our likely chances of ceasing tomorrow would probably rate around 999,999,999,999. 

I would also suggest that it is incorrect to say that OZ ceasing all emissions won't make 1 iota of difference, BUT I would certainly say that,  ON OUR OWN, AUSTRALIA WOULDN'T/WON'T STOP CLIMATE CHANGE or have any substantial effect!

Finally, I would suggest, the real question that needs to be asked is -
IF AUSTRALIA & THE REST OF THE WORLD DOESN'T ACT ON CLIMATE CHANGE, DON'T ACT SOON & DON'T THROW EVERYTHING AT THE PROBLEM, THEN WHAT WILL BE THE LIKELY EFFECTS, IN OUR LATER YEARS & ON FOLLOWING GENERATIONS?

Regrettably, I have an idea of what the likelihood is of Local & Global action & what will flow from that & the answer is not one which you & many others want to hear!




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Reply #18 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 5:59pm
 
So what exactly is wrong with this - better than the Carbon Tax that hurts everyone and helps the environment not one iota.

Abbott to launch revamped green Army policy 

by:      Gemma Jones Political Reporter      
From:            News Limited Network      
July 05, 2013 12:32AM      

Will green turn to gold for Abbott?
     
Tony Abbott thinks it's time Australia turned over a new leaf.            
     

AN Abbott "Green Army" of 15,000 young Australians recruited to rejuvenate bushland and waterways would be deployed around the country under a Coalition government. 
     
Young people aged 17 -24 would be paid up to $16.03 an hour for six months' work and could use the experience towards certificate qualifications in land management and horticulture.

Opposition Leader Tony Abbott said his policy revamped from the 2010 election campaign would encourage thousands of young Australians to work outdoors.

In his first visit to the region since Kevin Rudd put Labor back in contention in key western Sydney seats, Mr Abbott will today announce his army would start on five projects along the banks of the Georges River in southwestern Sydney.

"The Green Army is good for the local environment and good for young Australians," Mr Abbott said yesterday.

"It will see thousands of young people getting the opportunity to work outdoors and have real, hands-on experience in making their local community a better place.

"I want young Australians to gain a meaningful understanding of what it is like to be part of something bigger than themselves."

Mr Abbott said his army would be "the largest standing environmental workforce in Australia's history".

Local community groups and councils already engaged in bushcare and remediation work would be able to use green army workers on local projects.

Nine workers and a supervisor would make up each team, which could be deployed to local remediation projects across the country.

In addition to wages, a Coalition government would pay for equipment and materials required for remediation work.

The Coalition hopes the policy would also provide a pathway to work for young people.

Training provided could lead recruits into roles with councils, national parks and horticulture, according to policy documents.

"There are hundreds of organisations and local environmental groups across Australia that are already doing some of this work, mostly on a volunteer basis, and they deserve our recognition for making this country a better, cleaner and safer place," the policy states.

"These groups, plus local councils, could submit conservation projects that require a significant labour force."


Read more: http://www.news.com.au/national-news/federal-election/tony-abbott-to-launch-revamped-green-army-policy/story-fnho52ip-1226674574310#ixzz2dLJCMpxk



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Reply #19 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:13pm
 
Perceptions_now. It would really help if you could be clearer about what your trying to say. Just take a moment to organise your thoughts and then and only then commit to paper. I'm just saying.
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Reply #20 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:19pm
 
Red Baron

Please explain how any of what you have posted below has anything to do with reducing Australia's CO2 emissions. Honestly, to post that as some sort of answer to the climate change problem really looks like you have absolutely no idea.
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Reply #21 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:40pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 10:34am:
ImSpartacus2 wrote on Aug 28th, 2013 at 7:46pm:
Did I hear right?  Abbott's solution in the debate to tackle climate change is to set up a 15,000 strong "Green Army" to work on weekends to pick up litter and clear rubbish from creeks and rivers so we can "restore the natural beauty of this great country of ours" (or words to that effect).  Is he serious? That's what Australia's contribution will be to addressing this world disaster that is climate change. A clean up Australia day?        .



Considering Australia could cease all emissions tomorrow and it wouldn’t make I iota of difference to world wide emissions – what to you suggest should/can be done?



That is not true. Releasing GHGs in Australia, or ceasing to do so, is no different from doing the same overseas. This argument is no less stupid than the person who insists that he should not put his own rubbish in the bin because it is only a tiny part of the global litter problem.
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Reply #22 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:50pm
 
Green house gases LOL, with every UN greenhouse gas model now lying in tatters and the temperature heading south I think we can safely say that co2 has f#ck all effect on the weather.  Grin
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Reply #23 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:01pm
 
FriYAY wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 10:53am:
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:44am:
True Blue... wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 7:39am:
they are the ones who don't incessantly complain non stop about getting "their" money (welfare) and spending it on what ever they want...



So you think other people should decide what they spend their money on?

What's the rationale behind that?





To try and stop people spending “welfare” on illicit drugs for starters. Or do you think welfare should be used to break the law?

Welfare recipients should be helped to restrict their spending on alcohol, cigarettes and tattoos as well.

And gambling.

And facial piercings.

We should also help fat welfare recipients.

None of these are necessities; they are selfish indulgences for people receiving welfare, usually to the detriment of families.



They can (and should) spend it on whatever they wish.

It's not, nor should it be, up to you, me or the Govt.

If they spend it on something 'illegal', or neglect their kids, that's the Law's business, just as it is if you or I do so.

Again, it's not yours.

Or mine.
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Reply #24 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:07pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Green house gases LOL, with every UN greenhouse gas model now lying in tatters and the temperature heading south I think we can safely say that co2 has f#ck all effect on the weather.  Grin


Have you been making confetti again?
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Reply #25 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:14pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Green house gases LOL, with every UN greenhouse gas model now lying in tatters and the temperature heading south I think we can safely say that co2 has f#ck all effect on the weather.  Grin


What did you drop out of school at 10 or something?
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Reply #26 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:27pm
 
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:07pm:
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Green house gases LOL, with every UN greenhouse gas model now lying in tatters and the temperature heading south I think we can safely say that co2 has f#ck all effect on the weather.  Grin


Have you been making confetti again?



No, have you sacrificed a virgin to the climate change Gods again?, I reckon you must have, things have cooled down a little lately  Grin
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Reply #27 - Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:30pm
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:27pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:07pm:
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Green house gases LOL, with every UN greenhouse gas model now lying in tatters and the temperature heading south I think we can safely say that co2 has f#ck all effect on the weather.  Grin


Have you been making confetti again?



No, have you sacrificed a virgin to the climate change Gods again?, I reckon you must have, things have cooled down a little lately  Grin


So science based estimations are now classed as religion. Where as denial of the science is .... ?
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Reply #28 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 11:57am
 
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:27pm:
freediver wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:07pm:
Innocent bystander wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 8:50pm:
Green house gases LOL, with every UN greenhouse gas model now lying in tatters and the temperature heading south I think we can safely say that co2 has f#ck all effect on the weather.  Grin


Have you been making confetti again?



No, have you sacrificed a virgin to the climate change Gods again?, I reckon you must have, things have cooled down a little lately  Grin


Sounds like something Tony would say.
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Reply #29 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 12:09pm
 
greggerypeccary wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 9:44am:
True Blue... wrote on Aug 29th, 2013 at 7:39am:
they are the ones who don't incessantly complain non stop about getting "their" money (welfare) and spending it on what ever they want...



So you think other people should decide what they spend their money on?

What's the rationale behind that?




since when is it solely 'their' money? If it is a welfare payment - a gift - then any strings the govt puts on it is reasonable.  They don't have to take the money, after all.
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