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Re: Islam and irony
Reply #30 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:20pm
 
The most ironic thing is that someone decided to forge a poster to make Islam more ironic in the juxtaposition of violence and religion.

As you said Soren, I wonder why anyone would feel the need to bother.

Which of course adds to the swiftly growing pile of irony.
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Reply #31 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:23pm
 
They didn't do a very good job with the V. Surely they could have just inverted the A and removed bits.
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Reply #32 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:23pm
 
Stratos wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The most ironic thing is that someone decided to forge a poster to make Islam more ironic in the juxtaposition of violence and religion.

As you said Soren, I wonder why anyone would feel the need to bother.

Which of course adds to the swiftly growing pile of irony.

Islam is a very dangerous topic to discuss. THAT is the point.
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Reply #33 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:58pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The most ironic thing is that someone decided to forge a poster to make Islam more ironic in the juxtaposition of violence and religion.

As you said Soren, I wonder why anyone would feel the need to bother.

Which of course adds to the swiftly growing pile of irony.


Islam is a very dangerous topic to discuss. THAT is the point.




Islam is very dangerous.

And ISLAM is 'wrong' [i.e. wicked].

And ISLAM is an inappropriate philosophy for ANY human beings [such as ourselves] to embrace or to tolerate among us.



Q.
Why won't modern mankind DOES modern mankind refuse to acknowledge the truth about what ISLAM is, and about what ISLAM encourages in its adherents ?

'Lawful' murder [for the sake of glorifying of a demon/demons].



Ezekiel 35:10
Because thou hast said, These two nations and these two countries shall be mine, and we will possess it; whereas the LORD was there:
11  Therefore, as I live, saith the Lord GOD, I will even do according to thine anger, and according to thine envy which thou hast used out of thy hatred against them; and I will make myself known among them, when I have judged thee.
12  And thou shalt know that I am the LORD, and that I have heard all thy blasphemies which thou hast spoken against the mountains of Israel, saying, They are laid desolate, they are given us to consume.
13  Thus with your mouth ye have boasted against me, and have multiplied your words against me: I have heard them.


Revelation 18:4
And I heard another voice from heaven, saying, Come out of her, my people, that ye be not partakers of her sins, and that ye receive not of her plagues.


A prophecy.....

Deuteronomy 32:15
But Jeshurun waxed fat, and kicked: thou art waxen fat, thou art grown thick, thou art covered with fatness; then he forsook God which made him, and lightly esteemed the Rock of his salvation.
16  They provoked him to jealousy with strange gods, with abominations provoked they him to anger.
17  They sacrificed unto devils, not to God; to gods whom they knew not, to new gods that came newly up, whom your fathers feared not.
18  Of the Rock that begat thee thou art unmindful, and hast forgotten God that formed thee.






By our own choices, we are known.

WHAT IS ISLAM ???


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11


"Fighting [against unbelievers] is prescribed for you, and [if] ye dislike it.....Allah knoweth, and ye know not."
Koran 2.216


"O ye who believe! Fight those of the disbelievers who are near to you, and let them find harshness in you, and know that Allah is with those who keep their duty (unto Him)."
Koran 9.123


"Allah hath purchased of the believers their persons and their goods; for theirs (in return) is the garden (of Paradise): they fight in His cause, and slay and are slain:...."
Koran 9.111


"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Re: Islam and irony
Reply #34 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:04pm
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:58pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The most ironic thing is that someone decided to forge a poster to make Islam more ironic in the juxtaposition of violence and religion.

As you said Soren, I wonder why anyone would feel the need to bother.

Which of course adds to the swiftly growing pile of irony.


Islam is a very dangerous topic to discuss. THAT is the point.




Islam is a very dangerous topic to discuss. THAT is the point.

And ISLAM is 'wrong' [i.e. wicked].

And ISLAM is an inappropriate philosophy for ANY human beings [such as ourselves] to embrace or to tolerate among us.



Q.
Why won't modern mankind DOES modern mankind refuse to acknowledge the truth about what ISLAM is, and about what ISLAM encourages in its adherents ?





Because it is a very dangerous subject to discuss. You cannot openly, honestly discuss it without endangering yourself.


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Re: Islam and irony
Reply #35 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:04pm
 
yes

Islam is a very dangerous
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Reply #36 - Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:13pm
 
Soren wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 11:04pm:
Yadda wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:58pm:
Soren wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:23pm:
Stratos wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 10:20pm:
The most ironic thing is that someone decided to forge a poster to make Islam more ironic in the juxtaposition of violence and religion.

As you said Soren, I wonder why anyone would feel the need to bother.

Which of course adds to the swiftly growing pile of irony.


Islam is a very dangerous topic to discuss. THAT is the point.




Islam is a very dangerous topic to discuss. THAT is the point.

And ISLAM is 'wrong' [i.e. wicked].

And ISLAM is an inappropriate philosophy for ANY human beings [such as ourselves] to embrace or to tolerate among us.



Q.
Why won't modern mankind DOES modern mankind refuse to acknowledge the truth about what ISLAM is, and about what ISLAM encourages in its adherents ?





Because it is a very dangerous subject to discuss. You cannot openly, honestly discuss it without endangering yourself.





Well, i guess that this is Gods way of separating his children from those children of the world.




Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:...

John 8:23
....Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:...

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.




"....for the harvest of the earth is ripe."


Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14  And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15  And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16  And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17  And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18  And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19  And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.


Joel 3:9
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10  Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11  Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12  Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13  Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.


Isaiah 26:21
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.




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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
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Reply #37 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:33am
 
Y and the old boy discuss irony.

Comedy gold.
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Reply #38 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 6:51am
 
freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 7:33pm:
Do any of those links claim that this view became dominant among Islamic scholars during the "golden" age?


I don't think so. Dominant may not have been the correct term, but it did flourish and was a leading philosophy. But it did become official state doctrine during the minha, though this actually backfired on the movement as public sympathy was lost as a result of that state intervention (freedom of thought was strong in those days), and public sympathy shifted towards the Hanbal school of thought.
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Outlawing the enemy's uniform - hijab, islamic beard - is not depriving one's own people of their freedoms.
 
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Reply #39 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 7:19am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:33am:
Y and the old boy discuss irony.

Comedy gold.



Here's to laughing danger in the face:


...

A hundred lashes if you don't die laughing.

Oops! Even that is a threat of violence. Full ironingc circle.


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Reply #40 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 7:43am
 
Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:33am:

Y and the old boy discuss irony.

Comedy gold.




K,

I don't think i have ever come across an individual who can use so many words [in an online forum], to say to express so little nothing - of the self.

Care to give us an Ullha Akbar K ?

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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #41 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 7:52am
 

Proverbs 28:12
When righteous men do rejoice, there is great glory: but when the wicked rise, a man is hidden.
13  He that covereth his sins shall not prosper: but whoso confesseth and forsaketh them shall have mercy.
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"....And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead."
Luke 16:31
 
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Reply #42 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 11:04am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 7:43am:
I don't think i have ever come across an individual who can use so many words [in an online forum], to say to express so little nothing - of the self.


Grin Grin on the topic of irony
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A resident Islam critic who claims to represent western values said:
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Reply #43 - Feb 7th, 2014 at 11:13am
 
Yadda wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 7:43am:
Karnal wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 12:33am:

Y and the old boy discuss irony.

Comedy gold.




K,

I don't think i have ever come across an individual who can use so many words [in an online forum], to say to express so little nothing - of the self.



That's right, Y.

Quote:


Matthew 16:25
For whosoever will save his life shall lose it: and whosoever will lose his life for my sake shall find it.

John 6:63
It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:...

John 8:23
....Ye are from beneath; I am from above: ye are of this world; I am not of this world.

John 18:36
Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world:...

Galatians 4:29
But as then he that was born after the flesh persecuted him that was born after the Spirit, even so it is now.

2 Timothy 2:19
Nevertheless the foundation of God standeth sure, having this seal, The Lord knoweth them that are his. And, Let every one that nameth the name of Christ depart from iniquity.




"....for the harvest of the earth is ripe."

Revelation 14:13
And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.
14  And I looked, and behold a white cloud, and upon the cloud one sat like unto the Son of man, having on his head a golden crown, and in his hand a sharp sickle.
15  And another angel came out of the temple, crying with a loud voice to him that sat on the cloud, Thrust in thy sickle, and reap: for the time is come for thee to reap; for the harvest of the earth is ripe.
16  And he that sat on the cloud thrust in his sickle on the earth; and the earth was reaped.
17  And another angel came out of the temple which is in heaven, he also having a sharp sickle.
18  And another angel came out from the altar, which had power over fire; and cried with a loud cry to him that had the sharp sickle, saying, Thrust in thy sharp sickle, and gather the clusters of the vine of the earth; for her grapes are fully ripe.
19  And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of the wrath of God.


Joel 3:9
Proclaim ye this among the Gentiles; Prepare war, wake up the mighty men, let all the men of war draw near; let them come up:
10  Beat your plowshares into swords, and your pruninghooks into spears: let the weak say, I am strong.
11  Assemble yourselves, and come, all ye heathen, and gather yourselves together round about: thither cause thy mighty ones to come down, O LORD.
12  Let the heathen be wakened, and come up to the valley of Jehoshaphat: for there will I sit to judge all the heathen round about.
13  Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.


Isaiah 26:21
For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.



Allah Uakbar.
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Reply #44 - Feb 8th, 2014 at 9:48am
 
polite_gandalf wrote on Feb 7th, 2014 at 6:51am:
freediver wrote on Feb 6th, 2014 at 7:33pm:
Do any of those links claim that this view became dominant among Islamic scholars during the "golden" age?


I don't think so. Dominant may not have been the correct term, but it did flourish and was a leading philosophy. But it did become official state doctrine during the minha, though this actually backfired on the movement as public sympathy was lost as a result of that state intervention (freedom of thought was strong in those days), and public sympathy shifted towards the Hanbal school of thought.


So how popular was the view? Is it still popular? Your wikipedia article made it sound like it was mostly state driven - to deal with all the competing religious interpretations of "the law".

What do you think of the philosophy?
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