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Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm
 
Australian special forces troops under investigation for cutting off hands of dead Afghan insurgent


A unit of elite Australian special forces troops is under investigation for mutilating the body of at least one Afghan insurgent.

The ABC understands the hands were removed from an insurgent's corpse and taken back to the Australian base at Tarin Kot.

The incident occurred during a combined operation of the Afghan national security force and an Australian Special Operations Task Group force in Zabul province on April 28 that resulted in the killing of four insurgents.

At the time, the Australian Defence Force announced only that an investigation was underway.

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*Special forces troops under investigation for mutilating insurgent's body
*ABC understands soldiers accused of cutting off insurgent's hands for fingerprints
*Occurred during combined operation in Zabul on April 28, when four insurgents were killed
*Mutilation of bodies of the dead is a violation of the laws of war
*ADF says it continues to investigate an incident of potential misconduct
*The Chief of the Defence Force, General David Hurley, said in a statement released on May 8: "An incident of potential misconduct during the operation has been raised through the internal national command chain."

The ABC understands that the detail of the misconduct he alluded to involves the removal of hands from the corpse of at least one Afghan insurgent.

Australian troops are required to collect fingerprints and eye scans of every Taliban fighter who is killed, if it is possible to do so.

The ABC has learned that an investigator from the Australian Defence Force Investigative Service (ADFIS) lectured a group of special forces soldiers and told them that it did not matter how the fingerprints were taken and that if they could chop off the hands of the dead and bring them back to base for fingerprinting, that would be acceptable.

The ABC understands at least one pair of hands was present at the Australian base in Tarin Kot.

The mutilation or mistreatment of the bodies of the dead is a violation of the laws of war.

Article 15 of the first Geneva Convention says: "At all times, and particularly after an engagement, Parties to the conflict shall, without delay, take all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled."

The intelligence team that the instructing sergeant from the investigative unit was working for has now been disbanded, but the matter is being taken extremely seriously by the ADF and by the International Security Assistance Force that has overall command of international troops in Afghanistan.

ADF says it continues to investigate incident of potential misconduct...

...In 2011, Australian troops were accused of mistreating the corpse of an Afghan insurgent.

Whistleblowers had claimed the insurgent's corpse was put in a taxi with its legs hanging out of the window, in an incident that had become known to troops as the "Weekend at Bernie's" episode – a reference to a 1989 Hollywood comedy in which two men pretend their deceased boss is still alive....

http://www.abc.net.au/news/2013-08-30/claims-sas-troops-cut-hands-off-afghan-insurgent/4924694
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Reply #1 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:20pm
 

No way! Our troops would never do that. They cut their own hands off, right after they shot themselves.
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"When the power of love overcomes the love of power, the world will know peace." Hendrix
andrei said: Great isn't it? Seeing boatloads of what is nothing more than human garbage turn up.....
 
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Reply #2 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:30pm
 
True Colours wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm:
The ABC understands the hands were removed from an insurgent's corpse and taken back to the Australian base at Tarin Kot.


Maybe the Insurgent promised to lend them a hand..... Grin
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Reply #3 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:43pm
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:30pm:
True Colours wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:09pm:
The ABC understands the hands were removed from an insurgent's corpse and taken back to the Australian base at Tarin Kot.


Maybe the Insurgent promised to lend them a hand..... Grin




I always knew the SAS were handy with a knife  Smiley


Or maybe the troops were a bit short handed



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Reply #4 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:59pm
 
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:43pm:
Or maybe the troops were a bit short handed


.....maybe someone at Tarin Kot wanted his hand in marriage?

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Reply #5 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:13pm
 


Hands?

Wouldn't have been their hands I'd have been cutting off.

Those ba$tards don't play by Geneva Convention rules.

So neither would I.
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Reply #6 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 2:30pm
 
Swagman wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:59pm:
BigOl64 wrote on Aug 30th, 2013 at 1:43pm:
Or maybe the troops were a bit short handed


.....maybe someone at Tarin Kot wanted his hand in marriage?





The boys are packing up the base, so maybe they were a bit short handed




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Reply #7 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:21pm
 

Either way, it will no doubt come in handy...  Tongue
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Reply #8 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:43pm
 
Right on  but don't forget to write a few words about the unbelievable atrocities that the Muslims committed on their prisoners.

The one thing you don't want ever is to be captured by the Muslims, they think the Geneva Convention is a Swedish Pop Group.
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Reply #9 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:49pm
 
........they might have come in 'handy' if hand to hand combat was required..... Grin
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Reply #10 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:49pm
 
The punishment for stealing under Islamic law in some parts of this world  is chopping your hand off.

Did any of the Islamic countries ratify the Rome statute so war crimes can be prosecuted or did they say that is unislamic like the Universal declaration of human rights?
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Leftists and the Ayatollahs have a lot in common when it comes to criticism of Islam, they don't tolerate it.
 
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Reply #11 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:50pm
 
...maybe the Officers wanted all hands on deck...? Huh
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Reply #12 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:51pm
 
Who fingered the culprits?

Have the perpetrators been a-wristed yet?

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Reply #13 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:51pm
 
...mabe the Aussies are preparing for the handover... Grin
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Reply #14 - Aug 30th, 2013 at 3:59pm
 
.....maybe they just have a show of hands on election day over there?
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