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Reply #15 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:25pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

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Show me one piece of evidence that Anthropogenic Global Warming is solely responsible for the warming in the last 100 years.......?????
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Trying on such an obvious strawman tactic is, to put it bluntly, dishonest. It's also stupid, because it erodes whatever credibility you might have as a genuine denier of climate science.

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Reply #16 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:27pm

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:15pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

The study in question is in the journal Organization Studies. I can't vouch for its bona fides. If Ajax is running true to form, it's less peer review than pal review.

What Ajax's link does not tell us is that the study in question was merely a survey of the members of the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) - a professional body for the mining industry.

And even considering this - the heading:
"Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis"

is simply a lie

Firstly:
Some 70% of the respondents were mining engineers. Not scientists.

Secondly:
the majority of the respondents actually acknowledge that athhropogenic emissions are impacting upon climate. Only 27.4 percent of these Albertan mining professionals are deniers like Ajax.

http://www.apegga.org/Environment/reports/ClimateChangesurveyreport.pdf

Give up Ajax. Your nonsense is getting more and more pathetic.

It took me a while to notice that the article which is the subject of the opening post is more than six months old.

That set me wondering why it has sunk without trace. Not even the denyosphere is promoting it.

So I searched Skeptical Science for the name of the lead author of the study. The only relevant hit was this comment Quote:

Charles0853 at 10:48 AM on 17 February, 2013

It has been gratifying to see how many have pointed out Mr. Taylor's egregious interpretations of the Lefsrud and Meyer study, including seeing the authors of the study politely but firmly insist his interpretation was erroneous. Taylor has tried this tactic before, most recently with his "analysis" of a suvey of members of the American Meteorological Society.

The editors of Forbes should be aware that Mr. Taylor's articles are providing rich fodder for those of us in the academy who wish to teach our students how not to interpret science.

Ajax, check your sources.

John Cook and his algorains over at sceptical science, you trust what they say.

Sorry champ....... I cant for that one......????

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Reply #17 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:28pm

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:25pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 4:56pm:

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Show me one piece of evidence that Anthropogenic Global Warming is solely responsible for the warming in the last 100 years.......?????
...

Trying on such an obvious strawman tactic is, to put it bluntly, dishonest. It's also stupid, because it erodes whatever credibility you might have as a genuine denier of climate science.

LMFAO I cant believe it another.....do I have to remind you...!!!!!

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IPCC say it is at least 95 percent likely that human activities – chiefly the burning of fossil fuels – are the main cause of warming since the 1950s

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Reply #19 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:32pm

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:31pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

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John Cook and his algorains over at sceptical science, you trust what they say.
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The difference being that Skeptical Science is a reputable source. You evidently favour the opposite.

Ok now I've heard it all......???

You're obviously not interested in the truth are you....!!!!!

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Reply #20 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 8:11pm

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:32pm:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:31pm:

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

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John Cook and his algorains over at sceptical science, you trust what they say.
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The difference being that Skeptical Science is a reputable source. You evidently favour the opposite.

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You're obviously not interested in the truth are you....!!!!!

The truth is what I keep telling you.

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Reply #21 - Aug 30^th, 2013 at 10:22pm

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Muso, the volume of questionable "science" is increasing. It's supported by an increasingly sophisticated infrastructure that seems to lend credibility, where credibility isn't due.

Would you consider a sticky, giving guidance on assessing the bonafides of references, journals, etc? Something like http://barnardonwind.com/2013/06/27/how-should-you-assess-the-quality-of-a-wind-..., but focused on climate science.

Yes. That's a great idea. I'll PM you about another.

There are a lot of these Far Right Think Tanks in the US (and Australia to a lesser extent). These include the Heartland Institute, and the Marshall Institute.

Whenever you see Willy Soon, Sally Baliunas and the Idso family, you can be sure that there is a not too well hidden agenda.

John Christy and Ron Spencer at UAH are not too far behind them.

Sourcewatch already does a pretty good job at exposing these guys.

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Reply #22 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 12:09am

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:23pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

Oh dear.

Firstly - no one has ever claimed that "Anthropogenic Global Warming is solely responsible for the warming in the last 100 years".

Please stop trying to build silly straw men.

However - if you would like one piece of evidence that most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations - how about stratospheric cooling?

Hey rabbit you been on the turps mate....???

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IPCC say it is at least 95 percent likely that human activities – chiefly the burning of fossil fuels – are the main cause of warming since the 1950s
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Yes. I quoted for you the current IPCC position:
most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations

You are quoting from the as yet unpublished AR5 which apparently says:
at least 95 percent likely that human activities – chiefly the burning of fossil fuels – are the main cause of warming since the 1950s

Neither of these positions is the same as your straw man:
"Anthropogenic Global Warming is solely responsible for the warming in the last 100 years".

You are a liar.
You have been caught lying again
Please stop it. You are not smart enough to get away with it.

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Reply #23 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 12:14am

Ajax wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:27pm:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 7:15pm:

rabbitoh07 wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 5:13pm:

# wrote on Aug 30^th, 2013 at 2:39pm:

The study in question is in the journal Organization Studies. I can't vouch for its bona fides. If Ajax is running true to form, it's less peer review than pal review.

What Ajax's link does not tell us is that the study in question was merely a survey of the members of the Association of Professional Engineers, Geologists and Geophysicists of Alberta (APEGGA) - a professional body for the mining industry.

And even considering this - the heading:
"Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Crisis"

is simply a lie

Firstly:
Some 70% of the respondents were mining engineers. Not scientists.

Secondly:
the majority of the respondents actually acknowledge that athhropogenic emissions are impacting upon climate. Only 27.4 percent of these Albertan mining professionals are deniers like Ajax.

http://www.apegga.org/Environment/reports/ClimateChangesurveyreport.pdf

Give up Ajax. Your nonsense is getting more and more pathetic.

It took me a while to notice that the article which is the subject of the opening post is more than six months old.

That set me wondering why it has sunk without trace. Not even the denyosphere is promoting it.

So I searched Skeptical Science for the name of the lead author of the study. The only relevant hit was this comment Quote:

Charles0853 at 10:48 AM on 17 February, 2013

It has been gratifying to see how many have pointed out Mr. Taylor's egregious interpretations of the Lefsrud and Meyer study, including seeing the authors of the study politely but firmly insist his interpretation was erroneous. Taylor has tried this tactic before, most recently with his "analysis" of a suvey of members of the American Meteorological Society.

The editors of Forbes should be aware that Mr. Taylor's articles are providing rich fodder for those of us in the academy who wish to teach our students how not to interpret science.

Ajax, check your sources.

John Cook and his algorains over at sceptical science, you trust what they say.

Sorry champ....... I cant for that one......????

You are in no position to be questioning anyones credibility.

You are the person that has just started a thread titled:

Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming

and then referred to a survey of Canadian mining professionals (70% of which were mining engineers - not scientists) which showed that only 27.4 of the respondents were AGW deniers.

You are a liar.
You have been caught again
Please stop it.
You are not very good at it.

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Ajax Gold Member Offline CO2 has never controlled temperature on Earth Posts: 10982 Australia Gender:	Re: Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Reply #24 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 9:22am Hey lads when your colleagues criticize your work and your too arrogant to take notice what does that say about you or the corp. you work for. But hey we do have time...............................
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muso Gold Member Offline Posts: 13151 Gladstone, Queensland Gender:	Re: Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming Reply #25 - Aug 31^st, 2013 at 9:56pm Opinions (especially of people who don't work in the field) are useless. A survey of peer reviewed papers is a different matter. That's based on peer reviewed evidence , not opinion.
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Reply #26 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:31am

muso wrote on Aug 31^st, 2013 at 9:56pm:

Opinions (especially of people who don't work in the field) are useless.

A survey of peer reviewed papers is a different matter. That's based on peer reviewed evidence , not opinion.

There not opinions by some part time climate enthusiasts like over at sceptical science blog.

These are prominent scientists who disagree with the findings of the IPCC and other AGW religious organisations, who think the world is coming to an end because man throws up a miniscule amount of CO2 into the atmosphere.

Its not ignorance this is arrogance......!!!!!

Like I said though we have time and time will prove all the scams and lies wrong.

I just hope that when that does happen all the carbon taxes and ETS systems around the world will be rescinded.

Taxing the air we breath will not stop companies dumping chemicals into our rivers.

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Reply #27 - Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:01pm

Ajax wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:31am:

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There not opinions by some part time climate enthusiasts like over at sceptical science blog.

Substantiate your assertion. Quote one posting on http://skepticalscience.com/ that isn't based on peer reviewed science.

Ajax wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:31am:

These are prominent scientists ...

Still, you'd have to wonder why they're such a tiny minority.
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Ajax wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:31am:

Like I said though we have time and time will prove all the scams and lies wrong.
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Back to conspiracy theories. Have you tried therapy?

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Reply #28 - Sep 2^nd, 2013 at 2:01pm

# wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 9:01pm:

Ajax wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:31am:

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There not opinions by some part time climate enthusiasts like over at sceptical science blog.

Substantiate your assertion. Quote one posting on http://skepticalscience.com/ that isn't based on peer reviewed science.

Ajax wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:31am:

These are prominent scientists ...

Still, you'd have to wonder why they're such a tiny minority.
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Ajax wrote on Sep 1^st, 2013 at 10:31am:

Like I said though we have time and time will prove all the scams and lies wrong.
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Back to conspiracy theories. Have you tried therapy?

Hey dude at the end of every page on sceptical science blog there is a section where people send in their comments.

I don't know about now but last time I had a look many comments where against the article or the information being presented.

But I have heard that if sceptical science is losing out right they delete the comments.

Now what happen to my threads, why are some being closed....???

And why are others being modified......???

Seriously gentlemen the moderator should not be biased but neutral.

So how is it that this forum has alarmists running the Environmental section.........??????

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