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Re: How can you trust John Cook & skeptical science ??
Reply #60 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:20pm
 
Well its too bad Mr. Cook couldn't even get the consensus on climate change right.

Its also too bad that he has ties to Al Gore....??

Maybe he wants in on the gravy train.......???
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Reply #61 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 6:46pm
 
As usual, no comment on my posts. Just more disinformation, dropping the argument when you are shown to be wrong.
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Reply #62 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 11:26am
 
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Reply #63 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 8:56am
 
muso wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 11:26am:
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This is a new pear reviewed paper that disproves John Cook's paper on the consensus about global warming being caused by humans.

Its not a repeat.....!!!!!

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Cooks ’97% consensus’ disproven by a new peer reviewed paper showing major math errors

Posted on September 3, 2013      by Anthony Watts      


UPDATE: While this paper (a rebuttal) has been accepted, another paper by Cook and Nuccitelli has been flat out rejected by the journal Earth System Dynamics. See update below. – Anthony

“0.3% climate consensus, not 97.1%”

PRESS RELEASE – September 3rd, 2013

A major peer-reviewed paper by four senior researchers has exposed grave errors in an earlier paper in a new and unknown journal that had claimed a 97.1% scientific consensus that Man had caused at least half the 0.7 Cº global warming since 1950.

A tweet in President Obama’s name had assumed that the earlier, flawed paper, by John Cook and others, showed 97% endorsement of the notion that climate change is dangerous:

“Ninety-seven percent of scientists agree: #climate change is real, man-made and dangerous.” [Emphasis added]

The new paper by the leading climatologist Dr David Legates and his colleagues, published in the respected Science and Education journal, now in its 21st year of publication, reveals that Cook had not considered whether scientists and their published papers had said climate change was “dangerous”.

The consensus Cook considered was the standard definition: that Man had caused most post-1950 warming. Even on this weaker definition the true consensus among published scientific papers is now demonstrated to be not 97.1%, as Cook had claimed, but only 0.3%.   

Only 41 out of the 11,944 published climate papers Cook examined explicitly stated that Man caused most of the warming since 1950. Cook himself had flagged just 64 papers as explicitly supporting that consensus, but 23 of the 64 had not in fact supported it.

http://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/09/03/cooks-97-consensus-disproven-by-a-new-pape...

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Re: Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming
Reply #64 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:00am
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 8:56am:
muso wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 11:26am:
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This is a new pear reviewed paper that disproves John Cook's paper on the consensus about global warming being caused by humans.


It probably is. I don't care for papers that are reviewed by fruits.
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Reply #65 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:10am
 
muso wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:00am:
Ajax wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 8:56am:
muso wrote on Sep 10th, 2013 at 11:26am:
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This is a new pear reviewed paper that disproves John Cook's paper on the consensus about global warming being caused by humans.


It probably is. I don't care for papers that are reviewed by fruits.


How can you be a scientists when you're so one sided.

Doesn't that make you ignorant of the facts....!!??

The other thing could be that you're too arrogant to investigate the other side...??!!

Science is not about consensus...??

Its about being sceptical all the time....!!!....whether you agree or not....?????
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Re: Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming
Reply #66 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:45am
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:10am:
Science is not about consensus...??


Glad you realise that. Science is not about consensus of opinion. It's about factual evidence. This paper is about consensus of opinion. Therefore it's irrelevent - even if it was reviewed by a peach as you say.

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Its about being sceptical all the time....!!!....whether you agree or not....?????


You should try it. The first step is to answer the questions. Ruthlessly question the basis of your pet theories. Pet theories are feral, rabid creatures. They will bite you and turn you into a raving lunatic.

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Reply #67 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:48am
 
muso wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:45am:
Glad to realise that. Science is not about consensus of opinion. It's about factual evidence. This paper is about consensus of opinion. THerefore it's irrelevent.


WTF....and what was John Cook's paper then...????

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You should try it. The first step is to answer the questions. Ruthlessly question the basis of your pet theories. Pet theories are feral, rabid creatures. They will bite you and turn you into a raving lunatic.


There not pet theories my friend its called REALITY.

Please come back down to it.....??
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Re: Majority Of Scientists Skeptical Of Global Warming
Reply #68 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:51am
 
Ajax wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:48am:
WTF....and what was John Cook's paper then...????


It was a review of peer reviewed papers that had been verified. It did not seek opinions.

Ajax wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:48am:
There not pet theories my friend its called REALITY.

Please come back down to it.....??


Down to Earth? Is this about the moon landing again? Please tell us more.

Who do you think shot JFK?
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Reply #69 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 10:06am
 
muso wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 9:51am:
It was a review of peer reviewed papers that had been verified. It did not seek opinions.


They've got their claws in you deeper than scientology has its claws in Tom Cruise.

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Down to Earth? Is this about the moon landing again? Please tell us more.

Who do you think shot JFK?


more ad hominem, would have thought this would be below a scientists.

But then again your mob is calling for the death of skeptics isn't it.

Not to mention scaring children into the religion.

Its a religion and a very dangerous one at that...!!!



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When it comes to climate change, just have a little faith!

In an unusual case in the United Kingdom, it has been ruled that climate change beliefs should be afforded the same legal protections as religious freedoms. The bizarre ruling sets a landmark legal precedent and could have broad implications both in Britain and abroad.

The case began when Tim Nicholson, former head of sustainability at property firm Grainger PLC was laid off in July 2008 for his criticism of management on the basis of climate change beliefs. Mr. Nicholson, who renovated his house to be greener and refuses to fly by air, was upset that Rupert Dickinson, the firm's chief executive, had an employee fly to him in Ireland to deliver his Blackberry.

When Mr. Nicholson began to gripe and express his environmental sentiments, he was later dismissed. He took his former employers to court, contending that the same laws that protect religious freedoms protected his “philosophical belief about climate change and the environment.”

http://www.dailytech.com/Global+Warming+Afforded+Same+Legal+Status+as+Religion+i...


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Death Penalty for Global Warming Deniers?

An objective argument…a conservative conclusion
Richard Parncutt : last updated 25 October 2012

In this article I am going to suggest that the death penalty is an appropriate punishment for influential GW deniers. But before coming to this surprising conclusion, please allow me to explain where I am coming from.

For years, hard-nosed scientists have been predicting global warming (GW) and its devastating consequences. For a reputable summary of arguments for and against GW, see skepticalscience.com

Some accounts are clearly exaggerated (more). But given the inherent uncertainty surrounding climatic predictions, even exaggerated accounts must be considered possible, albeit with a low probability. Consider this: If ten million people are going to die with a probability of 10%, that is like one million people dying with a probability of 100%.

When the earth’s temperature rises on average by more than two degrees, interactions between different consequences of global warming (reduction in the area of arable land, unexpected crop failures, extinction of diverse plant and animal species) combined with increasing populations mean that hundreds of millions of people may die from starvation or disease in future famines. Moreover, an unknown number may die from wars over diminishing resources (more). Even if that does not happen, thousands of plants and animals will become extinct. Islands, shorelines and coastal communities will disappear.

So far, the political response to the threat of GW has been lots of talk and little action (more). But action is urgently needed. We are in a very real sense talking about something similar to the end of the world. What will it take to get people to sit up and listen?

Much more would have happened by now if not for the GW deniers. An amazing number of people still believe that GW is a story made up by scientists with ulterior motives. For a long list of climate change deniers and their stories see desmogblog. The opinions of everyday GW deniers are evidently being driven by influential GW deniers who have a lot to lose if GW is taken seriously, such as executives in transnational oil corporations.

Of course it is possible that scientists are just making it up for their own benefit. The trouble with that argument is that scientists who publish fake data or deliberately set out to mislead people about GW have a lot to lose and nothing to win. When scientists fake data and are caught, that usually means the end of their career. It’s not the kind of risk that a scientist would like to take. It is possible someone is paying the scientists behind the scences to publish environmental doomsday stories, but again the argument is problematic: there is simply no money in environmental doomsday stories (just like there is no money in writing internet pages like this one). And here is why: It has been clear for a long time that the cost of reducing GW to a manageable amount (whatever that is) will be enormous, and the costs incurred by not doing that or doing it too late will be many times greater. The main problem is that no-one wants to pay this money. As a rule, those who make money out of ignoring GW would rather leave this problem for our children and grandchildren to deal with. (How kind of them!) In this situation, a corrupt scientist can certainly earn a lot of money by publishing research that plays down the importance of GW,

http://tallbloke.wordpress.com/2012/12/24/prof-richard-parncutt-death-penalty-fo...

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Reply #70 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:36am
 
Isn't he a music psychologist or something? I mean it's stretching it a bit far. I don't have anything to do with him.
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Reply #71 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:38am
 
Ad hominem?  Was that an insult? Aren't you proud to be a Moon Landing denialist?

How do you stand on Vaccination? Water Fluoridation? UFO Conspiracies?

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They've got their claws in you deeper than scientology has its claws in Tom Cruise.


That's a new one. Better than Reductio ad Hitlerum, but similar. Reduction to Scientology?
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Reply #72 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:44am
 
muso wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:36am:
Isn't he a music psychologist or something? I mean it's stretching it a bit far. I don't have anything to do with him.   


He's on your team....???
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Reply #73 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:45am
 
Does he play the drums? Sorry. You've got me.
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Reply #74 - Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:46am
 
Cheesy Wink Smileymuso wrote on Sep 11th, 2013 at 11:45am:
Does he play the drums? Sorry. You've got me.

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