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Question: Is a burqa confronting?

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Reply #105 - Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:01pm
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:57pm:
That is the theory but in Australia the Liberal party are Australia's least Liberal party - they are conservatives with no liberal values.

The Liberals split from the UAP United Australia party in 1945 and when Menzies left the conservatives slowly took their party back to where they started.

well, it's better the diamond with the flaw than pebble without (c)...
better than sharia fundamentalists, for sure

and.. I doubt the girls ever felt constrained, or unfairly mistreated by their dad. There is no sign of oppression  Grin
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Reply #106 - Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:18pm
 
Torpedo wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:36pm:
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Reply #107 - Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:20pm
 
Torpedo wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:01pm:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:57pm:
That is the theory but in Australia the Liberal party are Australia's least Liberal party - they are conservatives with no liberal values.

The Liberals split from the UAP United Australia party in 1945 and when Menzies left the conservatives slowly took their party back to where they started.

well, it's better the diamond with the flaw than pebble without (c)...
better than sharia fundamentalists, for sure

and.. I doubt the girls ever felt constrained, or unfairly mistreated by their dad. There is no sign of oppression 


The point is only that children mostly grow up like their parents, its not unusual or a form of mistreatment.

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Reply #108 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 1:54am
 
Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:20pm:
The point is only that children mostly grow up like their parents, its not unusual or a form of mistreatment.

I got your point, but you guys seem to close your eyes on the obvious, these girls grow up restrained and are taught to be oppressed, and, as mentioned earlier, these horrible dress codes also pose the health concerns.
You wouldn't like seeing 9 yo girls with foundation and lipstick, would you? Does it not concern you how these girls are brought up in this instance?
What about restricting in learning, is it also ok with you, do you seriously believe that any kid is wilful to standup for themselves?
They are kids, they are being manipulated by sick and cruel fundamentalists, and you concede!
You are not commiserative but an accomplice in this crime  Angry
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Reply #109 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 1:57am
 
True Colours wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:18pm:
Torpedo wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:36pm:
Really, I don't know who I hate more



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Reply #110 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 4:11am
 
burqa aren't confronting (however i can see how it is to some), like Maqqa said, is no way to identify the person wearing a burqa, There have been plenty of incidents in Europe - bank robbers wore full burqas to rob banks etc.
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Reply #111 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 5:18am
 
Maqqa wrote on Aug 31st, 2013 at 9:50pm:
Abbott mentioned today that a burqa is confronting

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Lets see how many posts gets posted before lefties starts screaming "racist"


Is that the abbott that wanted to become a catholic preacher? The one that has lived in the vicinity of nuns for a lot of his life?

What has racism got to do with religion?

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Reply #112 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 5:30am
 
Torpedo wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 1:54am:
Dnarever wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 11:20pm:
The point is only that children mostly grow up like their parents, its not unusual or a form of mistreatment.

I got your point, but you guys seem to close your eyes on the obvious, these girls grow up restrained and are taught to be oppressed, and, as mentioned earlier, these horrible dress codes also pose the health concerns.
You wouldn't like seeing 9 yo girls with foundation and lipstick, would you? Does it not concern you how these girls are brought up in this instance?
What about restricting in learning, is it also ok with you, do you seriously believe that any kid is wilful to standup for themselves?
They are kids, they are being manipulated by sick and cruel fundamentalists, and you concede!
You are not commiserative but an accomplice in this crime  Angry


I bet you think its just fine to bring up a kid with oppressive xtian "values" huh. I take it nuns habits are okay too?

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Reply #113 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 11:21am
 
Yes, a nun's habit is OK.


Elsewhere in the news:
MULTAN (PAKISTAN) :  A cleric cut his wife into pieces on Wednesday for refusing to wear a veil and sending their children to school, police said.
They said the body was recovered from near their house. They said they found his confession on the body and had also recovered the weapon he had used.
The body has been handed over to the family following a post-mortem examination.
A case has been registered against the confession-killer, who the police said had been missing.
Ahmad Aziz, father of the deceased Farzana Bibi, 36, said that she married Muhammad Sharif, 42, a resident of Bakkhal Bhir in Mumtazabad Colony.
They had three children.
Aziz said that Sharif led prayers at the neighbourhood mosque and also gave Quran lessons at their home. He said Sharif was short-tempered and would often beat up Farzana Bibi. He had been telling her to cover her face when she left the house.
Aziz said Farzana Bibi wore an abaya (gown), but did not want to cover her face.
He said they often quarreled over the matter.
Police said Aziz was informed about the incident by the police shortly after they found Farzana Bibi’s body. Police said it had first been seen by a neighbour, who informed the police.
Police said in his note, Sharif had confessed to killing Farzana Bibi.
He wrote that he had deemed his action the best way to “punish his wife for rebelling against Allah’s orders”. He wrote that he wanted all women to learn from their example.
He said he had not wanted his children to study at a school. Instead they should have gone to a religious seminary. He said Farzana Bibi had enrolled their children into an English medium school against his will. He said he had wanted to punish her for that, too.
He said he had been telling her to cover her face with a veil when she stepping outside, but she had not listened. He also wrote that he did not want to be responsible for her sins and thus killed her.
He said it had taken him time to make up his mind for this.
On Wednesday morning, after the children left for school, he wrote, he attacked her with a sharp knife, used to slaughter animals. He later cut the body into 10 pieces.
The station house officer said a police team was looking for Sharif. He said the children had been handed over to the parents of the deceased.
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Re: Is a burqa confronting?
Reply #114 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:18pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:50pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:35pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:18pm:
Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style???

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Don''t be such a predictably stupid wanker. There's a limit. Think for a second - a big ask in your case - before you pronounce.

Do you really, really endorse every costume to be freely worn in public??




I respect everyone's right to express their religious or cultural freedom so long as it is not against the law.....I note you have no valid argument so you resort to petty insults.....How predictable!!!

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Why is it such a horribly big ask to expect immigrants to fit in rather than commit to remain outsiders?

In the long line of idiotic thirdy-worly costumes, the face covering niqab is just the most offensive and deliberately oppositional and anti-assimilationist. What's to like or respect about it? It's a public demonstration and repudiation by the niqabi bint of everything around her. If it's her men who force her to wear it, then they are evil bastards.






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Reply #115 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:32pm
 
Soren wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:18pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:50pm:
Soren wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:35pm:
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 1st, 2013 at 10:18pm:
Woman have every right to decide for themselves what they choose to wear and how they live their lives.....What right do any of you have to condemn someone else's life style???

Angry Angry Angry

When we lose the right to be different, we lose the privilege to be free.
Charles Evans Hughes, Address at Faneuil Hall, Boston, Massachusetts, June 17, 1925

Don''t be such a predictably stupid wanker. There's a limit. Think for a second - a big ask in your case - before you pronounce.

Do you really, really endorse every costume to be freely worn in public??




I respect everyone's right to express their religious or cultural freedom so long as it is not against the law.....I note you have no valid argument so you resort to petty insults.....How predictable!!!

Roll Eyes Roll Eyes Roll Eyes

He who strikes the first blow admits he's lost the argument.
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Why is it such a horribly big ask to expect immigrants to fit in rather than commit to remain outsiders?

In the long line of idiotic thirdy-worly costumes, the face covering niqab is just the most offensive and deliberately oppositional and anti-assimilationist. What's to like or respect about it? It's a public demonstration and repudiation by the niqabi bint of everything around her. If it's her men who force her to wear it, then they are evil bastards.








Woman should not be forced to do anything against their will including being told what to wear.....Isn't that what you are proposing.....Do you want a free society or do you want the Government to start censoring and banning anything that some parts of the community find offensive or confronting.....Perhaps you should think about the consequences of such a proposal???

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Reply #116 - Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:42pm
 
philperth2010 wrote on Sep 2nd, 2013 at 10:32pm:
Woman should not be forced to do anything against their will including being told what to wear.....Isn't that what you are proposing.....Do you want a free society or do you want the Government to start censoring and banning anything that some parts of the community find offensive or confronting.....Perhaps you should think about the consequences of such a proposal???

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It is a deliberately confronting act to wear the niqab in Australia. It's nasty and completely out of place here. I don't see why people cant tell the wearers what they think about them.
If you hide your face, don't expect people to respect you for it. If they call you a stupid bint, well, that's not against the law and who is to dictate to people what they can and can't say.


Try this thought experiment: put on a T shirt like this and silently walk own one of the Australian streets where niqabi are commonly seen.
What do you think would happen?
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Presumably you also support anyone's right to weak this:
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or this:
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