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Reply #30 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:43pm

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

no such thing as a mandate ...

Actually, there is one mandate involved; the Governor General gives a mandate to form a government to the one who can prove they have the support of a majority in the House of Representatives. Pretending that mandate covers individual policies is perversion.

so if Abbott gets a senate majority you are ok with workchoices 2, mandatory bible study in schools and removal of the dole and single mums welfare? Normally you would say that he has no mandate for such policies but you don't believe in such things.

You do actually believe in mandates. You just don't know how to describe them or articulate them.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #31 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:25pm:

Armchair_Politician wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 8:59am:

If the ALP gets thumped as predicted in the polls, they'd be insanely stupid to block legislation to repeal the carbon tax. After all, the Coalition did not block Labor from abolishing WorkChoices! One would expect Labor to do the decent thing and listen to the people, for once.

This mandate thang is dishonest cr#p. Many people who vote for the Libs this election would still prefer the carbon tax and ETS to stay (but vote lib for other reasons). Indeed many will vote Lib in the lower house and Greens (or any of the other left leaning minor parties) in the senate with the specific purpose to block Abbott's repeal legislation. Truth is after the election we will still be none the wiser on where the majority stands on the carbon tax and the ETS. That's why when they tell you that this system is a democracy it's grade A Cr#p. Christine Milne said on the 7.30 report last night that there was no way the Greens would vote to scrap the carbon tax. If Labor caves on this BS mandate argument we need to hit the streets.

really? so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? You greenies don't really go with the whole 'majority rule' thing, do you?

Don't bother arguing mandates with longy ... he's all for them as long as they suit the libs, as soon as it's to someone else's benefit, there is no mandate.

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Reply #32 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:47pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

no such thing as a mandate ...

Actually, there is one mandate involved; the Governor General gives a mandate to form a government to the one who can prove they have the support of a majority in the House of Representatives. Pretending that mandate covers individual policies is perversion.

so if Abbott gets a senate majority you are ok with workchoices 2, mandatory bible study in schools and removal of the dole and single mums welfare? Normally you would say that he has no mandate for such policies but you don't believe in such things.

You do actually believe in mandates. You just don't know how to describe them or articulate them.

so now a mandate also includes things that you promised NOT to do ... it's hard to keep track with you longy, you chop and change with each sentence

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #33 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:17pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

... so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? ...

What polls are those? Didn't the ABCs VoteCompass poll show that a majority want the government to do more on global warming?

The Murdoch press, aided and abetted by rabid right wing shock jocks may have distorted the public's perceptions, but a majority is still in favour of action.

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Reply #34 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:33pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

no such thing as a mandate ...

Actually, there is one mandate involved; the Governor General gives a mandate to form a government to the one who can prove they have the support of a majority in the House of Representatives. Pretending that mandate covers individual policies is perversion.

so if Abbott gets a senate majority you are ok with workchoices 2, mandatory bible study in schools and removal of the dole and single mums welfare? Normally you would say that he has no mandate for such policies but you don't believe in such things.

You do actually believe in mandates. You just don't know how to describe them or articulate them.

so now a mandate also includes things that you promised NOT to do ... it's hard to keep track with you longy, you chop and change with each sentence

damn you are stupid. why can you not see irony and context like normal people?? I was SPECIFICALLY referring to the fact he promised not to do so.

idiot.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #35 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:35pm

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

... so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? ...

What polls are those? Didn't the ABCs VoteCompass poll show that a majority want the government to do more on global warming?
The Murdoch press, aided and abetted by rabid right wing shock jocks may have distorted the public's perceptions, but a majority is still in favour of action.

and here is how you distort facts. that was NOT a poll on the Carbon Tax. the only polls that don't show a majority wanting the end of the carbon tax are those designed to elicit a specific result. Global warming and carbon tax are two very different topics.

If you have seen the plethora of polls on the topic of the carbon tax over the years then you must have been blind.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #36 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:07pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

really? so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? You greenies don't really go with the whole 'majority rule' thing, do you?

God you really have gone stupid now. So what the majority has determined is now to be decided by the polls is it. You are a fool. Think before you post. I'm telling you, you've lost it, badly.

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Reply #37 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:08pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

... so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? ...

What polls are those? Didn't the ABCs VoteCompass poll show that a majority want the government to do more on global warming?
The Murdoch press, aided and abetted by rabid right wing shock jocks may have distorted the public's perceptions, but a majority is still in favour of action.

and here is how you distort facts. that was NOT a poll on the Carbon Tax. the only polls that don't show a majority wanting the end of the carbon tax are those designed to elicit a specific result. Global warming and carbon tax are two very different topics.

If you have seen the plethora of polls on the topic of the carbon tax over the years then you must have been blind.

Three out of five Australians don't wish to scrap the carbon tax if doing so damages government revenue, according to polling undertaken exclusively for Fairfax Media.

The Lonergan Research survey of more then 1300 people across Australia also found voters were evenly divided over which leader they believed was best equipped to deal with asylum seekers.

The automated phone poll of 1369 people was conducted last weekend and revealed 62 per cent of respondents desired to keep the price on carbon and 38 per cent wanted it removed even if doing so damaged revenue.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/most-want-to-keep-carbon-t...

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Reply #38 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:14pm

____ wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

... so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? ...

What polls are those? Didn't the ABCs VoteCompass poll show that a majority want the government to do more on global warming?
The Murdoch press, aided and abetted by rabid right wing shock jocks may have distorted the public's perceptions, but a majority is still in favour of action.

and here is how you distort facts. that was NOT a poll on the Carbon Tax. the only polls that don't show a majority wanting the end of the carbon tax are those designed to elicit a specific result. Global warming and carbon tax are two very different topics.

If you have seen the plethora of polls on the topic of the carbon tax over the years then you must have been blind.

Three out of five Australians don't wish to scrap the carbon tax if doing so damages government revenue, according to polling undertaken exclusively for Fairfax Media.

The Lonergan Research survey of more then 1300 people across Australia also found voters were evenly divided over which leader they believed was best equipped to deal with asylum seekers.

The automated phone poll of 1369 people was conducted last weekend and revealed 62 per cent of respondents desired to keep the price on carbon and 38 per cent wanted it removed even if doing so damaged revenue.

http://www.smh.com.au/federal-politics/political-news/most-want-to-keep-carbon-t...

14/7/13

desperate to use a company who's expertise has nothing to do with the subject matter, but typical of get the answer you want fools

http://www.lonerganresearch.com.au/expertise/

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Reply #39 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:28pm

progressiveslol wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

____ wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:08pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:35pm:

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:17pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

... so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? ...

What polls are those? Didn't the ABCs VoteCompass poll show that a majority want the government to do more on global warming?
The Murdoch press, aided and abetted by rabid right wing shock jocks may have distorted the public's perceptions, but a majority is still in favour of action.

and here is how you distort facts. that was NOT a poll on the Carbon Tax. the only polls that don't show a majority wanting the end of the carbon tax are those designed to elicit a specific result. Global warming and carbon tax are two very different topics.

If you have seen the plethora of polls on the topic of the carbon tax over the years then you must have been blind.

Three out of five Australians don't wish to scrap the carbon tax if doing so damages government revenue, according to polling undertaken exclusively for Fairfax Media.

The Lonergan Research survey of more then 1300 people across Australia also found voters were evenly divided over which leader they believed was best equipped to deal with asylum seekers.

The automated phone poll of 1369 people was conducted last weekend and revealed 62 per cent of respondents desired to keep the price on carbon and 38 per cent wanted it removed even if doing so damaged revenue.

14/7/13

desperate to use a company who's expertise has nothing to do with the subject matter, but typical of get the answer you want fools

Ergo, you cant use polls to determine mandate. Oh and I love this from LongWeekend "the only polls that don't show a majority wanting the end of the carbon tax are those designed to elicit a specific result". Oh and which are those, the polls you don't trust or the polls I don't trust (Murdoch's newspoll for instance).

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Reply #40 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

really? so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? You greenies don't really go with the whole 'majority rule' thing, do you?

God you really have gone stupid now. So what the majority has determined is now to be decided by the polls is it. You are a fool. Think before you post. I'm telling you, you've lost it, badly.

well it is a whole lot more accurate than people like you claiming the CT is popular n the basis of whatever argument you can come up with today. the election on Saturday is a referendum on the carbon tax. But I am sure you will reject that as well. You greenies are really quite anti-democracy at your core.

AUSSIE: "Speaking for myself, I could not care less about 298 human beings having their life snuffed out in a nano-second, or what impact that loss has on Members of their family, their parents..."

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Reply #41 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:29pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

ImSpartacus2 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:07pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:40pm:

really? so all those polls over the past few years and months that say that the CT is hated and wanted to be repealed are nonsense? You greenies don't really go with the whole 'majority rule' thing, do you?

God you really have gone stupid now. So what the majority has determined is now to be decided by the polls is it. You are a fool. Think before you post. I'm telling you, you've lost it, badly.

well it is a whole lot more accurate than people like you claiming the CT is popular n the basis of whatever argument you can come up with today. the election on Saturday is a referendum on the carbon tax. But I am sure you will reject that as well. You greenies are really quite anti-democracy at your core.

Its actually an election about which party (or parties) you want to govern you for the next 3 years having regard to the different policies of each party on the multitude of different issues, (refugees, NBN, education, money management, government debt, past record, trustworthiness, education, local issues, local members, the list goes on) only one of which is the carbon tax. To pretend that out of all of that when I gave you my vote it was for your carbon tax policy and not for your refugee policy (despite your carbon tax policy) is simply a lie. If it were as you say "a referendum on the carbon tax" then we would have a separate ballot paper to tick in the polling booth that said something like "Do you support the carbon tax legislation" (like the referendum they withdrew on local government).

What disturbs me about all this is that the position I am putting to you and the one that I am inviting you to embrace is the position that gives you, the voter, more power and respect then Abbott and the other politicians want to give you. I think your angry, frustrated and shooting yourself in the foot right now precisely because deep down you know that your not being respected by the system, because you have no control and nothing you believe in and hold dear to your heart really influences the decisions that are made and forced on you by others. Stop heading the cheer squad for them and start demanding a genuine role in deciding these things for yourself. I think we'll be happier and hate each other less because of it.

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Reply #42 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:38pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 5:33pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

no such thing as a mandate ...

Actually, there is one mandate involved; the Governor General gives a mandate to form a government to the one who can prove they have the support of a majority in the House of Representatives. Pretending that mandate covers individual policies is perversion.

so if Abbott gets a senate majority you are ok with workchoices 2, mandatory bible study in schools and removal of the dole and single mums welfare? Normally you would say that he has no mandate for such policies but you don't believe in such things.

You do actually believe in mandates. You just don't know how to describe them or articulate them.

so now a mandate also includes things that you promised NOT to do ... it's hard to keep track with you longy, you chop and change with each sentence

damn you are stupid. why can you not see irony and context like normal people?? I was SPECIFICALLY referring to the fact he promised not to do so.

idiot.

Do you know any normal people? You make the dumb comments and I'm the stupid one???? ... hehehe your a joke longy. Do you have to have help to tie up your shoelaces?

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #43 - Sep 4^th, 2013 at 7:45pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 6:54pm:

well it is a whole lot more accurate than people like you claiming the CT is popular n the basis of whatever argument you can come up with today. the election on Saturday is a referendum on the carbon tax. But I am sure you will reject that as well. You greenies are really quite anti-democracy at your core.

Our esteemed leader:
I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Reply #44 - Sep 5^th, 2013 at 12:11am

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:47pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 4:43pm:

# wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 3:34pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 4^th, 2013 at 9:16am:

no such thing as a mandate ...

Actually, there is one mandate involved; the Governor General gives a mandate to form a government to the one who can prove they have the support of a majority in the House of Representatives. Pretending that mandate covers individual policies is perversion.

so if Abbott gets a senate majority you are ok with workchoices 2, mandatory bible study in schools and removal of the dole and single mums welfare? Normally you would say that he has no mandate for such policies but you don't believe in such things.

You do actually believe in mandates. You just don't know how to describe them or articulate them.

so now a mandate also includes things that you promised NOT to do ... it's hard to keep track with you longy, you chop and change with each sentence

To the Liberals obviously - takes us back the the GST, where the Libs do actually claim a mandate on a policy they promised to never ever impliment.

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