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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate? Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:36pm Is it possible Labor, Greens and Xenophon will be able to preserve the ETS?
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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate
Reply #1 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:42pm

Xenophon is against carbon pricing.

Greens require the balance and Labor to stick to principle over danderous climate change.

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That roadblock is Nick Xenophon, who has confirmed he will be digging in his heels on Direct Action, which he has called "clunky and inefficient". He told Business Spectator on Sunday: "I will not support the repeal [of Labor's carbon tax legislation] unless there is a Frontier-style scheme on the table."

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/9/2/election/xenophon-wont-back...

Xenophon will play hardball to get his vote to repel.

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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate
Reply #2 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:46pm

____ wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Xenophon is against carbon pricing.

Greens require the balance and Labor to stick to principle over danderous climate change.

Correction,

That roadblock is Nick Xenophon, who has confirmed he will be digging in his heels on Direct Action, which he has called "clunky and inefficient". He told Business Spectator on Sunday: "I will not support the repeal [of Labor's carbon tax legislation] unless there is a Frontier-style scheme on the table."

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/9/2/election/xenophon-wont-back...

Xenophon will play hardball to get his vote to repel.

But what are the senate results?

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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate
Reply #3 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:47pm

only if the greens hold the balance. Even if it comes down to Xenophon I wouldn't want to rely on him.

Interestingly, I was about to say that labor will likely capitulate and vote to abolish it - but just as I was about to type it, Bill Shorten just told us that putting a price on carbon remains a labor priority

Fairfax simulation has Greens maintaining BOP Smiley

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The simulations, carried out for Fairfax Media by a politically independent statistician who wishes to be known only as ''the truth seeker'', show the most likely outcomes in each state would see the Greens gaining three seats, despite losing votes, to retain the balance of power.

Read more: http://www.theage.com.au/federal-politics/federal-election-2013/power-play-in-senate-as-greens-and-microparties-race-to-tip-the-balance-20130906-2taue.html#ixzz2eD2z5CHT

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MOTR Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 6646	Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate Reply #4 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:48pm Nick is a rational man. He won't stand for Abbott's economic vandalism.
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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate
Reply #5 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:53pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Nick is a rational man. He won't stand for Abbott's economic vandalism.

During his little stash with Hanson-Young and the greens, he stated in an interview that his constituency is split roughly even between supporters of the two major parties. To me that sounded code for "I'm going to capitulate to coalition demands".

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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate
Reply #6 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:55pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

____ wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Xenophon is against carbon pricing.

Greens require the balance and Labor to stick to principle over danderous climate change.

Correction,

That roadblock is Nick Xenophon, who has confirmed he will be digging in his heels on Direct Action, which he has called "clunky and inefficient". He told Business Spectator on Sunday: "I will not support the repeal [of Labor's carbon tax legislation] unless there is a Frontier-style scheme on the table."

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/9/2/election/xenophon-wont-back...

Xenophon will play hardball to get his vote to repel.

But what are the senate results?

Probably be a few days until we have the final result.

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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate
Reply #7 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:57pm

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Nick is a rational man. He won't stand for Abbott's economic vandalism.

During his little stash with Hanson-Young and the greens, he stated in an interview that his constituency is split roughly even between supporters of the two major parties. To me that sounded code for "I'm going to capitulate to coalition demands".

He is a man of principle. I can't see him voting away the best solution for attacking carbon pollution.

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Hunt says Coalition accepts IPCC findings

"What does this mean? It means that we need to do practical things that actually reduce emissions."

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longweekend58 Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 45675 Gender:	Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate? Reply #8 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:59pm Antony Green has just declared on ABC that labor/greens have lost balance of power in the senate. so good to hear. you can negotiate with the rest but not the Greens.
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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate
Reply #9 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:01pm

MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:57pm:

polite_gandalf wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:53pm:

MOTR wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:48pm:

Nick is a rational man. He won't stand for Abbott's economic vandalism.

During his little stash with Hanson-Young and the greens, he stated in an interview that his constituency is split roughly even between supporters of the two major parties. To me that sounded code for "I'm going to capitulate to coalition demands".

He is a man of principle. I can't see him voting away the best solution for attacking carbon pollution.

after the way the Greens have attacked him - and it was disgusting here in SA - I think Nick will vote against anything the Greens support. He was furious with them and deservedly so.

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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate
Reply #10 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:06pm

____ wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:55pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:46pm:

____ wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:42pm:

Xenophon is against carbon pricing.

Greens require the balance and Labor to stick to principle over danderous climate change.

Correction,

That roadblock is Nick Xenophon, who has confirmed he will be digging in his heels on Direct Action, which he has called "clunky and inefficient". He told Business Spectator on Sunday: "I will not support the repeal [of Labor's carbon tax legislation] unless there is a Frontier-style scheme on the table."

http://www.businessspectator.com.au/article/2013/9/2/election/xenophon-wont-back...

Xenophon will play hardball to get his vote to repel.

But what are the senate results?

Probably be a few days until we have the final result.

Just saw on TV.

Looks like Abbott will need the support of a few idiots like Palmer
to pass legislation but he will be able to do it in the SENATE.

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Swagman Gold Member Offline Beware of cheap imitations...... Posts: 15095 Illawarra NSW Gender:	Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate? Reply #11 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:08pm Labor are slow learners. The carbon tax cost them govt and not honouring mandates will see them in opposition for a long time.
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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75402 Gender:	Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate? Reply #12 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:13pm Swagman wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:08pm: Labor are slow learners. The carbon tax cost them govt and not honouring mandates will see them in opposition for a long time. you mean like when the libs honoured labors mandate for an ETS ????
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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate?
Reply #13 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:19pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:13pm:

Swagman wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:08pm:

Labor are slow learners.

The carbon tax cost them govt and not honouring mandates will see them in opposition for a long time.

you mean like when the libs honoured labors mandate for an ETS ????

no, like how the libs honoured the mandate on Workchoices. Its called ethics. look it up.

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Re: Who will hold the balance of power in the Senate?
Reply #14 - Sep 7^th, 2013 at 11:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 7^th, 2013 at 10:59pm:

Antony Green has just declared on ABC that labor/greens have lost balance of power in the senate.

so good to hear. you can negotiate with the rest but not the Greens.

Yep toothless Greens will be an excellent result.

Palmer party, DLP, Xenaphon. Family First, Liberal Democrats are the others. Different looking Senate. Most being anti-carbon tax.

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