Yadda wrote on Sep 8^th, 2013 at 5:37pm:



Because after all,

The word they use,    ........ALLAH.





Deuteronomy 32:19
And when the LORD saw it, he abhorred them, because of the provoking of his sons, and of his daughters.
20  And he said, I will hide my face from them, I will see what their end shall be: for they are a very froward generation, children in whom is no faith.
21  They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.
22  For a fire is kindled in mine anger, and shall burn unto the lowest hell, and shall consume the earth with her increase, and set on fire the foundations of the mountains.
23  I will heap mischiefs upon them; I will spend mine arrows upon them.
24  They shall be burnt with hunger, and devoured with burning heat, and with bitter destruction: I will also send the teeth of beasts upon them, with the poison of serpents of the dust.
25  The sword without, and terror within, shall destroy both the young man and the virgin, the suckling also with the man of gray hairs.




1 Kings 9:5
Then I will establish the throne of thy kingdom upon Israel for ever, as I promised to David thy father, saying, There shall not fail thee a man upon the throne of Israel.
6  But if ye shall at all turn from following me, ye or your children, and will not keep my commandments and my statutes which I have set before you, but go and serve other gods, and worship them:
7  Then will I cut off Israel out of the land which I have given them; and this house, which I have hallowed for my name, will I cast out of my sight; and Israel shall be a proverb and a byword among all people:
8  And at this house, which is high, every one that passeth by it shall be astonished, and shall hiss; and they shall say, Why hath the LORD done thus unto this land, and to this house?
9  And they shall answer, Because they forsook the LORD their God, who brought forth their fathers out of the land of Egypt, and have taken hold upon other gods, and have worshipped them, and served them: therefore hath the LORD brought upon them all this evil.




2 Kings 18:12
Because they obeyed not the voice of the LORD their God, but transgressed his covenant, and all that Moses the servant of the LORD commanded, and would not hear them, nor do them.



Who is 'Israel' ?

Is Israel always faithful [to God their creator] ?

No, because the adversary is always seeking to turn us away from God and his righteousness.

But do we repent ?

And are we sorry ?





Not yet.

|dev|null wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 12:27pm:



Hot (.)(.) ,

I am not an expert on ISLAM.




I just quote words found in ISLAMIC law, and then moslems on forums like this one, deny that the words in those ISLAMIC texts mean, what i think that those words mean.


I just quote words found in the Sunna of Mohammed, and then moslems on forums like this one, deny that the words in those ISLAMIC texts, mean what i think that those words mean.


I just quote words found in the Koran, and then moslems on forums like this one, deny that the words in those ISLAMIC texts mean, what i think that those words mean.





Hot (.)(.) ,

Although i can read ISLAMIC foundation texts, i just always completely misunderstand what the words within those ISLAMIC foundation texts mean.

So you see, Hot (.)(.) , you are completely mistaken.

Because i am not professing to be "some sort of authority on ISLAM".

I recognise my error, in trying to debate these issues [about the nature of ISLAM] with moslems.

Because moslems alone, are the only ones who understand what teh words within those ISLAMIC foundation texts really mean.

e.g.
When Mohammed said;
"I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah...."
= = this text is really translated by moslems to mean that ISLAM is a peaceful and tolerant faith, you see.

Honest!       






e.g.


"Ibn 'Umar related that the Messenger of Allah, upon whom be peace, said, "I have been ordered to kill the people until they testify that there is no god except Allah, and that Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and they establish prayer and pay the zakah. If they do that, their blood and wealth are protected from me save by the rights of Islam. Their reckoning will be with Allah." (Related by al-Bukhari and Muslim.) "
fiqhussunnah/fus1_06                  Volume 1, Page 77b









"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' and whoever says, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' his life and property will be saved by me except for Islamic law, and his accounts will be with Allah, (either to punish him or to forgive him.)" "
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196



"You should Know that the earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle, and I want to exile you from,,, this land, so whoever among you owns some property, can sell it, otherwise you should know that the Earth belongs to Allah and His Apostle."
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #009.085.077
hadithsunnah/bukhari/ #004.053.392



"Allah 's Apostle said, " I have been ordered to fight with the people till they say, 'None has the right to be worshipped but Allah,' ...."
hadithsunnah/bukhari #004.052.196








"Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued. "
Koran 9.29


"If anyone desires a religion other than Islam (submission to Allah), never will it be accepted of him;...."
Koran 3.85


"And fight with them until.....religion should be only for Allah,..."
Koran 2.193


"......the curse of Allah is on those without Faith."
Koran 2.089


"....Lo! Allah is an enemy to those who reject Faith."
Koran 2.98


"....those who reject Allah have no protector."
Koran 47.008
v. 8-11

wally1 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:30am:


wally1,

That is right!

It is all true!!!

I used Jewish witchcraft to changed the Koran, so that the words of the Koran defame ISLAM.

I used Jewish witchcraft to changed the Sunna of Mohammed, so that the words of the Sunna of Mohammed now defame ISLAM.

I used Jewish witchcraft to changed ISLAMIC law texts, so that the words of the ISLAMIC law texts now defame ISLAM.

Of course i did!         




WE JEWS ARE VERY SNEAKY, AND SO INGENIOUS!

AND WE DO THIS, JUST SO AS TO SLUR ISLAM, AND SO AS TO PORTRAY ISLAM AS SATAN'S CHILD.         

That is right!

It is all true!!!         








wally1 said,
Quote:




Yes!!!

It is all true!!!

And here is the evidence, which proves how clever and ingenious we Jews are......       

Please watch this YT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZx8cNSC9O0



Please watch this YT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8NtiUMOFFg



Please watch this YT...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QI3wG3loKlAipsssst.....

[Yadda whispers......] I'm really a secret Mossad agent!!!

That is right!

It is all true!!!

But psssst,    .....don't tell anyone.





                           

Is the attitude of islam which cause the atrocities, hatred and persecution of Christians by muslims a mental illness?

That's an interesting perspective, hatred and persecution of the most barbaric kind, against Christians and Jews is part of islamic doctrine.

islamic doctrine is a mental illness, yes?

moses wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:


Moses, Islam is a religion, a system of beliefs, not an individual, it therefore cannot have an "attitude".   

Quote:


But it is not part of Islamic belief, Moses.   Perhaps its a problem with the believers and their interpretation of the Q'ran, not the religion itself?

Quote:


Islamophobia certainly appears to be...   

Yadda wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 11:29pm:


Perhaps the point is I refuse to blind myself with prejudice, unlike yourself, Yadda?  What you claim is "true" doesn't accord with what I know and understand about Muslims and Islam.

Quote:


It is part of Islam. For example, Muhammed and his followers engaged in mass execution of Jewish POWs, forced mass migrations and ethnic cleansing of all non-Muslims from large areas. Islam institutionalises discrimination and oppression in law. You really can't escape these aspects of Islam, without discarding Islam itself.