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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #105 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city.

By Sam Gustin, Time

April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT

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CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds.

In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee.

The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer.

Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet.

What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented.

"The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities

so, a net company is pushing faster broadband ?
No surprise in that.

".........When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger........" - that's false.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #106 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:43pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:09pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:44pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 12:17pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:15am:

# wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:57am:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 9^th, 2013 at 7:41pm:

... - 4K real time TV to be displayed on TVs that aren't even available yet ...

Sony Bravia 65" 4K Ultra HD LED TV
Hisense Ultra HD TVs
SAMSUNG has launched the biggest home television ever
84" Class Ultra High Definition 3D TV with Smart TV (3D in UHD takes even more bandwidth, I'm told)
I could go on, but you get the picture. 4k/UHD TVs are expensive at the moment, but they're certainly available.

For longweekend58, it's a good day when he's made a fool of himself less than a dozen times. I wonder about his grasp of reality.

I fail to imagine how watching a bigger/better tv is beneficial for anyone or for Australia.

It'ld be better for you to go for a walk.

so how does a better tv improve your life ?

It is just one example of the infinite possibilities of the NBN.

How about downloading a movie from your local video store in 5 minutes ready to play on your TV?

How about watching full HD TV in real time from places like youtube?

What about running a full large internet server from home
with huge 1 GBit/ sec upload?

We can only begin to imagine the possibilities.

Well - say goodbye to it for now.

At least Turnbull is promising direct optic fiber connection
for those willing to pay for it but I heard a figure
of $20,000 per month to rent a 1 GBit/sec line speed. (up & down)

Who can afford that?

bobby - yes, so how does watching a better tv improve you life ?
your examples are :- Quote:

.....downloading a movie from your local video store in 5 minutes ready to play on your TV?

How about watching full HD TV in real time from places like youtube?...............

how do those improve your life ?
you would be better to go for a walk around the block.
literally. it's bette for your health than watching tv.
even in hyperdefinition virtual reality.
Walking is better.

and there is no answer to this query.

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75137 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #107 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:45pm Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm: One thing's for sure.... Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter. Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem. lets face it, if they were in any way 'smart' Abbott would never have won the election.
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Bobby. Gold Member Online Australian Politics Posts: 106697 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #108 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:47pm Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm: One thing's for sure.... Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter. Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem. Hi Kat, The Libbos are never going to live this down. They will be reminded all the time in parliament of their Luddite programs.
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red baron Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 10204 Blue Mountains Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #109 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:00pm I'd love to see this page in 3 years' time because everything will have changed so much technology wise,. that you will wonder what all the fuss was about.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #110 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:06pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city.

By Sam Gustin, Time

April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT

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CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds.

In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee.

The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer.

Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet.

What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented.

"The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities

Dear Baron,
did you read the above?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #111 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:10pm

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer.

that is the issue any responsible person has.
Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage.

If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it.

At NO expense to the taxpayer.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #112 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:15pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer.

that is the issue any responsible person has.
Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage.

If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it.

At NO expense to the taxpayer.

Who paid for the Snowy mountain scheme?
Sometimes big projects need the Govt. behind them or
we'd never do anything wonderful.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #113 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:18pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city.

By Sam Gustin, Time

April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT

Quote:

CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds.

In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee.

The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer.

Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet.

What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented.

"The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities

so, a net company is pushing faster broadband ?
No surprise in that.

".........When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger........" - that's false.

a observation or two... even Google is unsure what anyone is going to actually do with 1Gb internet AND it claims to be 100 times faster than the current American 10Mbps.... excuse me??? I thought we were the dinosaurs with our average 12Mpds ADSL2+??? Are you telling me that we are faster than the worlds biggest economy???

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #114 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:20pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:57pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs.

Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV - and that simply isn't good enough. Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either.

NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all.

you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite Sad

Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other.

If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle

it's not a lifestyle dickhead. For those that actually work for a living it is an essential service.

so no one can get internet at work now??? since 90% of the cost is for RESIDENTIAL ie NOT work then what are you going on about THIS TIME?

a lot of people work from home these days. which century are you living in ?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #115 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:22pm

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer.

that is the issue any responsible person has.
Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage.

If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it.

At NO expense to the taxpayer.

Who paid for the Snowy mountain scheme?
Sometimes big projects need the Govt. behind them or
we'd never do anything wonderful.

the NBN isn't wonderful. it is an incremental update to an existing system costing 5 times what the snowy mountain scheme cost

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #116 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:23pm

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:20pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:39pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:57pm:

BigOl64 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 2:37pm:

Sir lastnail wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:42pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

why should we spend $100B so you can avoid driving to the video store? the biggest infrastructure expenditure needs to have genuine benefits beyond bigger TVs.

Whenever anyone asks about the true benefits of the NBN no one can ever articulate it other than TV - and that simply isn't good enough. Faster porn and torrent downloads don't seem like much of a reason either.

NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all.

you would have used the same arguments when we were all using dial-up. Typical libbo voting Luddite Sad

Im pretty sure the Australian taxpayer didn't fund the upgrade from dial upto broad band to the tune of billions of dollars, so one has nothing todo with the other.

If you want superfast YOU pay for it, stop demanding others pay for your lifestyle

it's not a lifestyle dickhead. For those that actually work for a living it is an essential service.

so no one can get internet at work now??? since 90% of the cost is for RESIDENTIAL ie NOT work then what are you going on about THIS TIME?

a lot of people work from home these days. which century are you living in ?

not a lot at all. SOME. say it again.... SOME people work from home.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #118 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:55pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

what number do you call a lot and what number do you call some?

spending 90% of a huge amount that is at least $60B (ie $54B) on the residential market is going to need more than a few home workers to justify. and for the record, I have worked from home for 23 years starting with NO internet thru to dial-up, ADSL1 and now ADLS 2+. It has worked admirably. If I was still doing database software development I might opt for a 100Mps connection for convenience (assuming my clients have one and thwy may not) but with the FTTN offering 50Mbps I almost certainly would not.

Remote data services don't need high bandwidth necessarily. And rolling out a huge network for the 2% of homes that have people working from it is daft especially when you already have options such as linked dual ADLS 2+ connections which can already give you up toe 48Mbps

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Reply #119 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:08pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:36pm:

5 reasons you want Google Fiber in your city.

By Sam Gustin, Time

April 12, 2013 -- Updated 0949 GMT

Quote:

CNN) -- This week, tech giant Google made it official: Google Fiber is coming to Austin. Residents of the hip Texas city will be the beneficiaries of Internet speeds of 1-gigabit, roughly 100 times faster than current speeds.

In Kansas City, where the service launched last fall, 1-gigabit service costs $70 per month. For $120 per month, consumers get Google's TV service in addition to gigabit speeds. The company also offers seven years of free Internet service at current (5 mbps) speeds, after a $300 installation fee.

The truth is that we still don't know all of the innovative ways in which 1-gigabit Internet service will be put to use. Fifteen years ago, when most people still had slow, dial-up connections, many of the broadband uses we now take for granted would have seemed far-fetched. Video-conferencing services like Skype didn't exist for the average consumer.

Now, millions of people use Skype to communicate every day. Internet-based streaming services like Netflix didn't exist. Today, millions of people use Netflix to watch movies and TV shows over the Internet.

What will the next generation of engineers and developers do with Google Fiber? It's hard to say, because so few people currently have access to the service. But Google is laying the foundation for new, gigabit-based applications that haven't yet been invented.

"The gigabit is the future," Kevin Lo, Google Fiber general manager, said in announcing that Austin would receive the new service. "At Google, we have always invested in the future of the Internet. When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger."

http://edition.cnn.com/2013/04/11/tech/innovation/google-fiber-austin-cities

so, a net company is pushing faster broadband ?
No surprise in that.

".........When more people are connected, it makes our communities stronger........" - that's false.

Mmm and 'traditional' media comapnies oppose it.

No surprise in that.

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