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Sprintcyclist Gold Member Offline OzPolitic Posts: 40769 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #120 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:26pm Say goodbye to the NBN and say hello to $40B in the back pocket.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #122 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:38pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

Say goodbye to the NBN and say hello to $40B in the back pocket.

The chinky chonks and saudis won't be happy, they were the ones paying for labors broadband with interest, I'm worried that if labor aren't around to give our country away maybe the chinky chonks will have to go to plan B and invade us instead.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #123 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:57pm

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

One thing's for sure....

Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter.

Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem.

lets face it, if they were in any way 'smart' Abbott would never have won the election.

Mmmmm.
Would have been smarter to vote for another three years of incompetence instead eh.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #124 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:14pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer.

that is the issue any responsible person has.
Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage.

If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it.

At NO expense to the taxpayer.

Who paid for the Snowy mountain scheme?
Sometimes big projects need the Govt. behind them or
we'd never do anything wonderful.

the NBN isn't wonderful. it is an incremental update to an existing system costing 5 times what the snowy mountain scheme cost

So, let's make it a fair comparo, eh?

What would the Snowy Scheme cost if it were being built NOW?

Work that out, then compare to the NBN.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #125 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:17pm

Innocent bystander wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:38pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:26pm:

Say goodbye to the NBN and say hello to $40B in the back pocket.

The chinky chonks and saudis won't be happy, they were the ones paying for labors broadband with interest, I'm worried that if labor aren't around to give our country away maybe the chinky chonks will have to go to plan B and invade us instead.

Go on, shock me, and post something relevant that makes sense, for a change.

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Innocent bystander Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 4220 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #126 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:38pm I just did Gumby, if that doesn't make sense to you then nothing ever will, you may as well join the circus freak show and call it a day.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #127 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:47pm

Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 6:14pm:

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:22pm:

Bobby. wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:15pm:

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer.

that is the issue any responsible person has.
Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage.

If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it.

At NO expense to the taxpayer.

Who paid for the Snowy mountain scheme?
Sometimes big projects need the Govt. behind them or
we'd never do anything wonderful.

the NBN isn't wonderful. it is an incremental update to an existing system costing 5 times what the snowy mountain scheme cost

So, let's make it a fair comparo, eh?

What would the Snowy Scheme cost if it were being built NOW?

Work that out, then compare to the NBN.

Hear hear Kat,
Longweekend bends numbers to suit his argument.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #128 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:01pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:55pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:45pm:

what number do you call a lot and what number do you call some?

spending 90% of a huge amount that is at least $60B (ie $54B) on the residential market is going to need more than a few home workers to justify. and for the record, I have worked from home for 23 years starting with NO internet thru to dial-up, ADSL1 and now ADLS 2+. It has worked admirably. If I was still doing database software development I might opt for a 100Mps connection for convenience (assuming my clients have one and thwy may not) but with the FTTN offering 50Mbps I almost certainly would not.

Remote data services don't need high bandwidth necessarily. And rolling out a huge network for the 2% of homes that have people working from it is daft especially when you already have options such as linked dual ADLS 2+ connections which can already give you up toe 48Mbps

I care little about your life story ... you were the one who wanted to argue if it is some or a lot, my question should be easy for you, and yet you avoid answering ..... is it because you know your argument was nothing but a red herring? ....

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #129 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:03pm

chicken_lipsforme wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 5:57pm:

John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:45pm:

Kat wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 3:42pm:

One thing's for sure....

Winning the election hasn't made this lot any smarter.

Quite the opposite, actually, it would seem.

lets face it, if they were in any way 'smart' Abbott would never have won the election.

Mmmmm.
Would have been smarter to vote for another three years of incompetence instead eh.
Sounds like sour grapes to me.

not at all sour grapes ... take the personalities out of it and labor had the better policies by far ... unfortunately, politics is about personalities not policies ... just look at the new senate.

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I hope that bitch who was running their brothels for them gets raped with a cactus.

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #130 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 7:24pm

As published here many times:

What do Liberals stand for ??
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The Liberals stand for:-
- No Vision for the future
- Luddite mentality
- keeping everyone in the dark and in the past
- Zero career prospects for people
- Low education standards
- Casualization of the work force with crap job prospects
- Making lame excuses to do nothing
- Free trade agreements decimating manufacturing and losing jobs
- Manufacture absolutely nothing and focus on digging crap out of the ground or planting seeds
- Set fire to coal mentality at any cost
- Destroy the environment without worrying about the consequences
- Do not promote excellence
- Worship rich corporations and keep the majority enslaved to them
- Dumb down the population and the media
- Sell off public assets and privatise everything and then charge the punters more for services
- A health care system based on the US health care system which murders its own citizens
- Waste tax payers money on useless sporting events and creating jobs for your own family members

as well as:

- The Liberals stand for the rights of the rich people to get richer.
- They stand for the exploitation of working class people in dingy unsafe factories.
- They believe in the "trickle down" effect where if you reward rich people the money will reach the poor as well.
- The Liberals stand for individual rights & not for the rights of society or a nation.
- The Liberals believe in a born to rule mentality.
- This means that if you are born poor then you shouldn't have the same rights to a top education or health care as a rich person.
- The Liberals believe in a shopkeeper mentality which came from Margaret Thatcher.
- A true Liberal always has a copy of one her books by his or her bedside.

Notice the highlighted ones are coming true before your eyes?

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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #131 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:21pm

longweekend58 wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 1:04pm:

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NOT ONE CREDIBLE RESIDENTIAL application at all.

We've been down this rabbit-hole before, longweekend58. When challenged, you did your customary disappearing trick. I'm intrigued by what your fondness for the question reveals about you.

For the record, I'm quite content to say that I don't know. In reality, we're all in the position of that bloke who couldn't figure out what use a telephone might be. Our frame of reference is telegrams delivered by bicycle.

Anyway, back to your peculiar question. The question implies that you believe that what you don't see cannot be. The corollary to that is that you believe that, all that can be, you see. The term for that is omnscience; a characteristic normally restricted to deities.

So how long have you had this God complex?

The healthy question is the one you ran away from: what will halt the rise in demand for bandwidth? Last I heard, residential demand was projected to hit 1Gb/s around 2020. I have no idea what will generate that demand (I don't consider myself omniscient), but that doesn't affect the trend.

Of course, the higher the speed, the shorter the length of copper over which the signal can travel. We'll soon pass the point where a node will be required for every house. Sort of makes fibre to the premises more sensible, doesn't it?

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John Smith Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 75100 Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #132 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:53pm # wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:21pm: When challenged, you did your customary disappearing trick and he disappears again ....
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Bobby. Gold Member Offline Australian Politics Posts: 106563 Melbourne Gender:	Re: Say goodbye to the NBN Reply #133 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:57pm John Smith wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:53pm: # wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 8:21pm: When challenged, you did your customary disappearing trick and he disappears again .... When Longy loses - he either disappears or returns & calls you a homo. He's a sad person.
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Re: Say goodbye to the NBN
Reply #134 - Sep 10^th, 2013 at 9:05pm

Sprintcyclist wrote on Sep 10^th, 2013 at 4:10pm:

the free maket was laying out fibre at NO expense to the tax payer.

that is the issue any responsible person has.
Not the 'free pidgeon shot' that the future is unknown and we might want a faster download at some stage.

If we do, and enough people do, and they will pay for it, a company will provide it and accordingly charge for it.

At NO expense to the taxpayer.

Like most Labor stooges they don't know how the private market works...

so listen you nincompoops...

if a lot of people want it and there's a buck to be made then the private sector will supply it..

if people don't want or need it then it isn't necessary..

and lets face it.. ADSL has never stopped any of your Loser Labor Stooges from printing your garbage on here... Roll Eyes

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